Fat Lamps was finally bumped from the England Team??


It's about cunting time, no? It is a disgrace to your country that club form and media popularity was allowed to carry the day for so long. I mean, you don't have to be a footballing genius to see 1) that Gerrard and Lamps would never work together and 2) that Gerrard is the better player.

A related thought: I always thought the English press overhyped his contribution to Chelsea because he's English. Am I out of line here? Two years ago (Chelsea's peak) their best players were Maka and Robben. Yet JT and Lamps won the postseason awards. :nonono: Props to Lamps for scoring goals from the midfield for his club. But keep him out of England.

What the **** are you gawping on about? Lampard was never dropped he was kept out of the game because Wayne Rooney kicked the ball at his wrist and fractured it. And anybody with any common sense watching that game would know that Lampard would have torn that team up better han Gerrard. Even the commentator said it. Gerrard and Lampard in the center CAN work. Stick Lennon on the left and then wait until Joe Cole is back so we can put him on the left maybe?

Lampard has had a crap season. Got a lot of goals for us but nothing like 2 years ago.

It has infact been revealed he was dropped, because the injury although bad was still playable. Mclaren has finally grown a pair because Lampard should have been dropped ages ago, i dont think hes ever played well for England, maybe euro 2004, yet he plays every game. Maybe now we can start moving forward instead of backwards.

I was extremely relieved when I found out he was dropped because of form and not injury.

Look at how Gerrard can play when he doesn't have Lampard in his way.

I was extremely relieved when I found out he was dropped because of form and not injury.

Look at how Gerrard can play when he doesn't have Lampard in his way.

That's what I'm talking about.


I didn't realize Naz-Fan was a Chelsea supporter. For the record I like Lamps very much. And Mourinho is a genius I always root for him when they aren't playing Liverpool. Chelsea before this year were a work of art.

But dropping him has been necessary for a long time. You need to build a team, and you need in that team for the other central midfielder to cover for Gerrard and stay out of his way.

You're right, with Lennon and a healthy Cole alongside Gerrard England will do well. But Lamps doesn't fit that equation. My non-BS Limey friends agree with me on that, and Bull does apparently also.

That's what I'm talking about.


I didn't realize Naz-Fan was a Chelsea supporter. For the record I like Lamps very much. And Mourinho is a genius I always root for him when they aren't playing Liverpool. Chelsea before this year were a work of art.

But dropping him has been necessary for a long time. You need to build a team, and you need in that team for the other central midfielder to cover for Gerrard and stay out of his way.

You're right, with Lennon and a healthy Cole alongside Gerrard England will do well. But Lamps doesn't fit that equation. My non-BS Limey friends agree with me on that, and Bull does apparently also.

This is something people need to realise.

Look at Spain, they don't play Alonso with Albelda a lot because they're the same type of player and they play good football.

But look at Brazil. They try to fit all their big names into one team and look what happened in the summer. It doesn't work.

It isn't about names, it's about the team. Van Basten showed us this with Holland in the summer too.

If Mclaren wants to see the best out of Stevie G, he needs to play Hargreaves (who is similar to Sissoko) or Carrick (similar to Alonso). I would rather see him alongside Hargreaves though because it takes defensive responsibility away from Gerrard.

My team would be: (barring injuries)

Robinson

Neville Carragher Terry Cole

Lennon Gerrard (c) Hargreaves Cole

Owen Rooney

We'd have the width and pace to cause people problems, with Cole and Lennon trying to get the ball to the edge of the area for Gerrard when he bursts forward or for Rooney when he drops off of his man.

Owen's pace (if he ever gets it back) and movement would be of great benefit for Rooney and the wingers and free up a lot of space.

Hargreaves would protect the defence when needed, let Gerrard off his leash and if you watch him for Bayern you will see that he starts a lot of attacks with precise passing.

Carragher and Terry might not have a lot of pace but they're top class at reading the game and think faster than most other players. And if one is beaten by pace, the other will be there to cover.

The two full-backs are solid at both defending and attacking, so we're sorted their.

My only worry is the keeper, Robinson has never convinced me.

Oh, and Gerrard HAS to be captain :cool:

I think Gerrard's captaincy is inevitable. Rooney might become the best player, but he's not a captain. I guess McClaren wanted to give Lamps a shot and so didn't make Gerrard captain?

You make a nice point about Brazil. Have you geard that Dunga is rotating Kaka and Ronaldinho? It seems insane that Ronaldinho will no longer be a starter for his national team, but it's the right move. Dunga is the man to realize this. He was the glue of a Brazil team that had flashier players around him. What Brazil lacked last year was a Dunga, and he off all people was the man to recognize that.

I like your lineup, but I'm lukewarm on Robinson, and I'm surprised no one has supplanted Neville by now. What's happened to Konchesky? Who else is rumored for that spot?

I think Gerrard's captaincy is inevitable. Rooney might become the best player, but he's not a captain. I guess McClaren wanted to give Lamps a shot and so didn't make Gerrard captain?

You make a nice point about Brazil. Have you geard that Dunga is rotating Kaka and Ronaldinho? It seems insane that Ronaldinho will no longer be a starter for his national team, but it's the right move. Dunga is the man to realize this. He was the glue of a Brazil team that had flashier players around him. What Brazil lacked last year was a Dunga, and he off all people was the man to recognize that.

I like your lineup, but I'm lukewarm on Robinson, and I'm surprised no one has supplanted Neville by now. What's happened to Konchesky? Who else is rumored for that spot?

In this country there is a huge bias towards the south so we should really have expected Terry to become captain. I just hope Gerrard does get the chance to become permanent captain somehow.

Dunga is doing the right thing. At the moment I'd probably not even rotate Ronaldinho, I'd keep him on the bench. He's had a poor season, while Kaka has probably been the best player in Serie A. Players can't continue to live off their reputation.

I don't like Robinson either. I'm hoping Kirkland can have an injury-free season next year and that Carson does well too. They're two class, young, English keepers who are better than Robinson just a little less experienced.

Konchesky is at West Ham and has been poor this season, but haven't all their players? He plays at left back too. There's been a dearth of good young right backs for a while, but I think Richards is the player to succeed Neville. He's a bit too raw at the moment though and we need as much experience as we can muster while we are in this rut.

I was glad that fat Frank was dropped as it has been obvious for a long time now that gerrard and fat frank cant play in the same team together and fat frank is the lesser of the two and does not look like he can produce the form for england that he has done for chelsea. The fact still remains though that McClaren is a **** manager and is deluding himself. We need to **** him off immediately.

I mean why the **** is Downing still in the team? I'd rather see David Bentley have a go in that position until Joe Cole is fit again.

Also, I think we shouldnt get our hopes up about Owen coming back. IMO he wasnt up to much for England before he got his latest injury and I doubt that he will ever be the player that he was.

The FA needs to give McClaren the ****in boot as soon as. Even if they put someone in charge temporarily before they get in a top manager it would be better. We need someone like Wenger, Martin O'Neil (much as I'd hate to see him leave my beloved Villa) or even Scolari (who is a cunt but a good manager).

Wenger's contract with Arsenal runs out in 08 so why dont we get someone in place to take control of the team and do everything we bastard can to get Wenger to manage us. He'd do a good cunting job so he would if we could prize him away from the gooners.

I was glad that fat Frank was dropped as it has been obvious for a long time now that gerrard and fat frank cant play in the same team together and fat frank is the lesser of the two and does not look like he can produce the form for england that he has done for chelsea. The fact still remains though that McClaren is a **** manager and is deluding himself. We need to **** him off immediately.

I mean why the **** is Downing still in the team? I'd rather see David Bentley have a go in that position until Joe Cole is fit again.

Also, I think we shouldnt get our hopes up about Owen coming back. IMO he wasnt up to much for England before he got his latest injury and I doubt that he will ever be the player that he was.

The FA needs to give McClaren the ****in boot as soon as. Even if they put someone in charge temporarily before they get in a top manager it would be better. We need someone like Wenger, Martin O'Neil (much as I'd hate to see him leave my beloved Villa) or even Scolari (who is a cunt but a good manager).

Wenger's contract with Arsenal runs out in 08 so why dont we get someone in place to take control of the team and do everything we bastard can to get Wenger to manage us. He'd do a good cunting job so he would if we could prize him away from the gooners.

In short, we need a manager with big cajones.

In short, we need a manager with big cajones.

That we do Raging, that we bastard do.

Dino just PMd me to tell you soccer was for f.ags.lol I played so I tend to agree.:kiss:

That we do Raging, that we bastard do.

I'd have either Allardyce or O'Neill, but I would hate to see either leave the Premiership.

I'd have either Allardyce or O'Neill, but I would hate to see either leave the Premiership.

Allardyce has done a great job for Bolton but I dont know if he is ready for the England job. I'd like to see him get the chance to manage a top club and see how he does but that most likely will not happen.

Also, the FA may be reluctant to give him the job due to the corruption stuff that came out in that documentary. Granted nothing was proven but they probably wont wanna take any chances, especially as if they were to give him the job then the press would be all over Allardyce.

Allardyce has done a great job for Bolton but I dont know if he is ready for the England job. I'd like to see him get the chance to manage a top club and see how he does but that most likely will not happen.

Also, the FA may be reluctant to give him the job due to the corruption stuff that came out in that documentary. Granted nothing was proven but they probably wont wanna take any chances, especially as if they were to give him the job then the press would be all over Allardyce.

Gotta agree with you there, but he has the balls to make the changes that are needed to get our team playing well again. And he's a motivational manager, something all England managers should be.

Gotta agree with you there, but he has the balls to make the changes that are needed to get our team playing well again. And he's a motivational manager, something all England managers should be.

Aye, I'd like to see him on the sidelines at England games shouting at every ****er that displeases him, that's for cunting certain.

Aye, I'd like to see him on the sidelines at England games shouting at every ****er that displeases him, that's for cunting certain.

Haha, I bet Big Sam is hard as ****!

Haha, I bet Big Sam is hard as ****!

He probably is...but Big Ron would kick **** out of him.

I think it's safe to say Sam could have both dino and Buddy Chacon

Disgusting behaviour by the so-called England fans. The manager McLaren is trying to do a job like anyone else. What gives those people the right to shout bile at him like that; some of them were grown men too. The hate on their faces was unbelievable. Some people need a reality check.

Dino just PMd me to tell you soccer was for f.ags.lol I played so I tend to agree.:kiss:

I have no doubt that Soccer is for ***s but we in England and in most of the World play football, who is it that plays soccer???

Disgusting behaviour by the so-called England fans. The manager McLaren is trying to do a job like anyone else. What gives those people the right to shout bile at him like that; some of them were grown men too. The hate on their faces was unbelievable. Some people need a reality check.

True, however many of those fans paid hundreds of pounds to travel and watch the match, they stood in the rain and expected a performance.

I don't agree with the hate but I agree that the level of effort and desire shown by many of the players is just not good enough!

What the **** are you gawping on about? Lampard was never dropped he was kept out of the game because Wayne Rooney kicked the ball at his wrist and fractured it. And anybody with any common sense watching that game would know that Lampard would have torn that team up better than Gerrard. Even the commentator said it. Gerrard and Lampard in the center CAN work. Stick Lennon on the left and then wait until Joe Cole is back so we can put him on the left maybe?

Lampard has had a crap season. Got a lot of goals for us but nothing like 2 years ago.

Actually Lampard was dropped, Mickey Thomas (ex Man U and Wales) attended as part of Century radio's team, he had access to the England camp and stated that Lampard was cleared to play after the injury was diagnosed. McClaren chose not to play him. I'll be interested to see if he plays this weekend!

BTW in regard to the words in bold, you are deluded if firstly you believe that Lampard could have done better than Gerrard, Lampard has been terrible for England for around a year, he was dismal at the World Cup and has carried on since then, Gerrard because he is a better player is played out of position to accommodate Lampard and he still performs. Remember he scored twice in the World Cup from either the holding role or the right. He was head and shoulders the best player on Wednesday night and dragged England through the game.

Lampard is a great club player but at international level he is limited, great players adapt their game to the environment, Lampard cant, he can pass well and shoot well but he cannot tackle, dribble and doesn't have a great deal of pace.

I like Lampard and wish he could bring his club game to the International games but he just can't IMO.

Another player that should be mentioned is Wayne Rooney, for some reason Rooney consistently want to play in midfield, this compacts our central area and leaves his strike partner isolated, Andy Johnson is a good player but he needs support, at Utd Rooney has two fast wing player in Giggs and Ronaldo, they spread the play allowing Rooney the space to do his thing, unfortunately this doesn't work for England hence his game has disappeared!

Lampard is ****e, should have been dropped from England years ago. He only scores 20 goals a season for Chelsea because he has about 40 shots a game. most landing in row Z.

For Me Engalnd team should be

Defoe / Owen when fit

Rooney

Cole Gerrard Hargreaves Beckham


Cole Terry Rio Richards


James.

You're not seriously telling me Gerrard is better than Lampard cos he scored two goals against Andorra when Lamps wasnt playing?

You're not seriously telling me Gerrard is better than Lampard cos he scored two goals against Andorra when Lamps wasnt playing?

No of course not, I am telling you Gerrard is better than Lampard because he plays equally well as Lampard (if not better) in the advanced midfield role and much better in other positions across the pitch in fact both Lampard and Gerrard have scored 12 goals for England however most of the time Gerrard has had to play either in the holding role or on the left or the right.
That is why Gerrard is better than Lampard, he can play across the midfield and still be effective, Lampard has struggled for some time for England to be effective in his favourite position.

Lampard for Chelsea is superb but take a close look at each players game and ability and you would be blind to suggest that Lampard has the game or the ability to match Gerrards!

If Gerrard played for Chelsea in the same postion he would have a field day but....he is the Liverpool Captain and takes the responsibility to chase back, defend, search for the ball, play out of position and influence the whole game not just the final third.

Real Madrid and Barca have equally rated Gerrard as the best central midfielder in the World and have made under the table offers to Liverpool for around £50 million following his continued form following last season and his Player of the Year Award, his performance in the FA Cup and the fact he was one of the Englands players who did manage to come out of the World Cup with dignity unlike Lampard!

You're not seriously telling me Gerrard is better than Lampard cos he scored two goals against Andorra when Lamps wasnt playing?

BTW Tim Lovejoy from Soccer AM who is a well documented Chelsea fan has just called Steven Gerrard the best player in the World so.....even if that isn't the case he is another person who obviously rates Gerrard better than Lampard!

Lampard is still a great club player though, reminds me of John Barnes who at one point was the best player in England playing for Liverpool but never played consistently well for England!

No of course not, I am telling you Gerrard is better than Lampard because he plays equally well as Lampard (if not better) in the advanced midfield role and much better in other positions across the pitch in fact both Lampard and Gerrard have scored 12 goals for England however most of the time Gerrard has had to play either in the holding role or on the left or the right.
That is why Gerrard is better than Lampard, he can play across the midfield and still be effective, Lampard has struggled for some time for England to be effective in his favourite position.

Lampard for Chelsea is superb but take a close look at each players game and ability and you would be blind to suggest that Lampard has the game or the ability to match Gerrards!

If Gerrard played for Chelsea in the same postion he would have a field day but....he is the Liverpool Captain and takes the responsibility to chase back, defend, search for the ball, play out of position and influence the whole game not just the final third.

Real Madrid and Barca have equally rated Gerrard as the best central midfielder in the World and have made under the table offers to Liverpool for around £50 million following his continued form following last season and his Player of the Year Award, his performance in the FA Cup and the fact he was one of the Englands players who did manage to come out of the World Cup with dignity unlike Lampard!


Couldn't have said it better myself!

I respect Lampard and regret apprearing to have bashed him, but he has never been in the league of a Gerrard. Gerrard is the complete player; Lamps can only run straight into the box. Lamps is a game veteran and has excelled in a perfect situation. Gerrard is a superstar who can play anywhere on the pitch and control the game, adapts to the situation and carried his club side for years. There's no comparison; it's not close.