Im making this thread to discuss what looks to be the up coming war with Iraq

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In my opinion i believe we should be fighting this war and yes i do think this is going turn into WWIII, but Iraq is creating weapons of mass destruction and either planning to use them or selling them to terrorist. i know this is partly over oil, but still I feel this a war needed to be fought

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This war needs to be fought for the future and preservation of our next generations. Many wars in the past could have been avoided, but this one needs to happen. In my oppinion, anyone who is against this war, are ignorant and don't see the whole story and reasoning behind it.

i'm sure during desert storm it was about oil but this time i think it is just a cop out for people to use that don'e believe in war.sadaam agreed that he would not make/hold these types of serious weapons and he brole the agreement.we need to go in there and wreck shop.

think about it man.kim jonggII just opened up a reactor in north korea and is moving fuel rods around that can make atomic bombs within months.he says it is for a source of power but if that was the case he would not kick out the un inspectors.now, he has the guts for an atomic/nuclear, whatever you want to call it bomb, and sadaam was found with at leaset 6 warheads.**** man.these guys talk and decide to pair up, it's gonna be night night us.

Iraq poses no threat to us in my opinion, but we may as well overthrow Saddam because him being in his position is a threat to the security of the Middle East. Iraq is the perfect new staging point for the U.S. after we take over the ****hole to play a mediating role in other nearby countries. The U.S. bases in Saudi Arabia get less useful every day, not to mention the fact that the only reason America has those bases is because they're buddies with the U.K. Having control of their own foreign bases in the Middle East would be a great benefit to the U.S. and they know it. From Iraq, they can control the Israeli-Palestine issue much easier, and destroy the roots of Islamic terrorism, or whatever else they feel like taking down.

Desert Storm wasn't about oil, the U.S. would just as readilly buy oil from Iraq as from Kuwait. Not like Iraq sets the oil prices higher or anything... It was because they needed to test out what a war would look like with all the new weapons and **** they have. Think about how much they learned from that war that they can apply now.

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iraq does pose a direct threat to us with the weapons that they have.they could **** us up my man.if they launch on us, we are dead.
it's not like north viet nam trying to overthrow the south.that posed no direct threat to us.same in wwII, we did nothing till well into the war when we were threatened and then struck on.
we are being threatened right now.the mother ****er sadaam signed a treaty with the un that he broke.we are the ****in loudest voice of the un so we have to enforce this ****.this is a political issue.we should have melted him the first time.hopefully, we can do it this time

No, he can't do ****. North Korea, now that's some straight up David Copperfield ****. If the U.S. was disarming immediate threats it'd be them.

Any country with a history of aggression is a threat. By comparison to some countries, Iraq is a small fish. But the question is "Is Iraq a threat?". The answer is yes. From what I can tell they are in breach of UN regulation. Weapons were not found but evidence of weapons manufacture were. If I have a shotgun shell in my house, would you find it fair to assume I own a shotgun? It may not be the case but it is fair to assume it. Iraq were supposed to declare it and they didn't. Similar principle. If I go the America and "forget" to declare the 1kg block of tasty cheese I left in my luggage they throw the book at me. Principle is EXACTLY the same here. Should Iraq prepare for war? Realistically yeah. As someone else put it "This was Iraq's last chance to come clean." And they didn't. End of story really.

Should the US go in alone? No. I don't think so. By doing so they undermine the UN and basically turn their noses up at every other country in the world. Now it is all very easy for people to accuse these countries of being lax in their judgement and slack in following through, but you miss the underlying fact that the majority of the world disagrees with the US position. And diplomacy is about finding a resolution that is beneficial and agreeable to all parties (or at least as many parties as possible). The US position unfortunately leaves not only little in the way of diplomacy but little in the way of negotiation as well.

They have effectively decided that they are the world government, when the truth is that they are turning into a "vigilante government" for want of a better term.

Their unilateral stance against Iraq further highlights the hypocrisy in its dealings with North Korea. We're talking about a country which they KNOW is about to become (if it is not already) NUCLEAR capable. And they do very very little. And yet when it comes to Iraq, we're talking empty shell casings and a lot of speculation on their arms capacity.

If the US insists on going it alone, why don't they threaten N. Korea the same way they do Iraq? Give me one good explanation.

- The Jake

What I find so interesting is that in all the S11 aftermath, nobody looks to Saudi Arabia or Yemen for the terrorists (which is where the bulk of the terrorist network is supposed to be located and originate from, if news sources are to be believed). But yet, they all look at Iraq....

PS: The American economy maybe huge. But don't think for a second the EU and other countries will not enforce economic sanctions if it thinks for a second that the country is overstepping it's bounds.

- The Jake

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/01/28/1043534057708.html

Interesting... the US apparently are going to declassify intelligence on the Iraqi armaments.

This could certainly make the difference between decisive action on behalf of the UN. I hope they do this and soon, to garner more support for their cause. I don't want to see a war but I certainly do not want to see unilateral action by the US.

- The Jake

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Originally posted by rigid
iraq does pose a direct threat to us with the weapons that they have.they could **** us up my man.if they launch on us, we are dead...


They don't have anything capable of going 100 miles, much less 5000. The 12 empty 122mm rocket cannisters they found go 6-12 miles.

"12 empty 122mm rocket cannisters they found go 6-12 miles"
these cannisters were disarmed, not a threat.

I think we also forget that the media loves war, loves the fear it generates. I have a Navy Seal friend that has been in Germany since October and is currently in training for cold harsh conditions, He is a father of 3 and he doesn't agree with this war either.

"Iraq is creating weapons of mass destruction and either planning to use them or selling them to terrorist"

This is saying that the US does not have any plants containing weapons of mass destruction. Iraq is not the only country that could possibly be doing this, Cuba also has weapons and has had them for quiet sometime.

To assume that going to war is going to keep us safe is crazy, war does not bring peace it generates hate, pain and rebellion. Most of us here have issues with authorities, we are rebellious and actually try go against what society dictates in some way. If squeezed to hard you burst... what makes you think that we can keep on telling countries how to live without them becoming rebellious themselves? Its cause and effect... it will come back

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Originally posted by computer fogie
They don't have anything capable of going 100 miles, much less 5000. The 12 empty 122mm rocket cannisters they found go 6-12 miles.

right on the button

I am not political scientist, history buff or anything close so this is a very uneducated guess, but i think that sadam's own people ie. military, is going to turn against him soon. maybe the u.s. should go back to the old speration by isolation policy we had during the first couple of years of world war 1. those were the good ole days.

fact is we all have our own opinions on this and we are all right in a way.we don't know exactly what iraq has going on.we know what the media tells us.is the gov. tellig us all there is to know?how do we know they are or are not?
kayo, war does generate pain like you say but for a time it also generates peace.maybe not peace in the whole world, but peace in our world.
for example, look at wwII, japan struck on as at pearl harbor and caused lots of damage and death.we went in there and took care of things.(now, some think what we did was right, some think it was wrong.that is not the point i am making here.)the point i am making is japan ****ed with us, we took care of it.to this day, japan does not have a millitary.know why?cause we say so.to this day, japan does not **** with us.know why, cause we have troop stationed there.our troops are there cause we say they are gonna be there.japan don't have a ****in opinion on the matter cause we took that gift away from them.the struck us at pearl harbor and we took all privelages away.
i say anyone ****s with us. we do the same thing.i like the quiet vibe that japan gives off.it's better than the middle eastern ****s trying to show us up.

(sung to the tune of three blind mice)

I love war, I love war
blow them all up, blow them all up
send the planes to blow them up
send the tanks to blow them up
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I am no fan of war.

But the **** we as a countty are in, is due to packs.., treaties and deals with these countries that span over 20 years ago. We back countries to do our dirty work and leave them. 1/2 the weapon and most of the training techniques are from the U.S.

I do beleive there is potentail for future problems if Iraq creates weapons of mass destruction but as Kato points out they are not the only ones. and There is not global support. We should not act on our own. We should receive majority support throught he U.N. (New World Order) and act accordingly. There is no reason for war...with our presence there it is Keeping Sadam under house arrest. he will do nothing. wait for U.N. aproval.

Originally posted by rigid
fact is we all have our own opinions on this and we are all right in a way.we don't know exactly what iraq has going on.we know what the media tells us.is the gov. tellig us all there is to know?how do we know they are or are not?
kayo, war does generate pain like you say but for a time it also generates peace.maybe not peace in the whole world, but peace in our world.
for example, look at wwII, japan struck on as at pearl harbor and caused lots of damage and death.we went in there and took care of things.(now, some think what we did was right, some think it was wrong.that is not the point i am making here.)the point i am making is japan ****ed with us, we took care of it.to this day, japan does not have a millitary.know why?cause we say so.to this day, japan does not **** with us.know why, cause we have troop stationed there.our troops are there cause we say they are gonna be there.japan don't have a ****in opinion on the matter cause we took that gift away from them.the struck us at pearl harbor and we took all privelages away.
i say anyone ****s with us. we do the same thing.i like the quiet vibe that japan gives off.it's better than the middle eastern ****s trying to show us up.


Its easy to make assumptions when war has not been lived on a one on one. Its true, while Japan is not a politically strong nation, it has grown extremely fast for what it had been put through after the war. Fact is Japan financially is very well set, the fact that most of Manhattan is now owned by Japan is also a sign that they have been doing pretty good for themselves. Power as in strengths and nucs and what not, maybe not, but now adays most wars are created on the financial market

Originally posted by lightweight
(sung to the tune of three blind mice)

I love war, I love war
blow them all up, blow them all up
send the planes to blow them up
send the tanks to blow them up
I love war, I love war

Are you in the army/marines/air force/navy?

rigid, America doesn't "take everything away from them" at this point and time. When America defeats a country in a war it pretty much takes over and reshapes it. Look at Western Germany, look at Japan's economy, we help them, not disable them...

Kato, I think that the war in Iraq is necessary for Middle Eastern Domination by the U.S. Some one needs to step in there, and God knows the ********* Union is to preoccupied with being anti-American to care... Who knows, maybe the lives lost to a war will be worth the lives saved if the U.S. decides to restructure Iraq into a more leniant dictatorship. Then again, look what happened when they put a new dictator in Iran... I still personaly believe that Iraq is the key to the Middle East because of its location, (close to allies AND enemies), the fact that the U.S. can blame numerous things on Iraq to gain public support easier than that if they tried to attack Syria, Saudi Arabia or another ****ty country at this point and time.

If we wait for U.N, it slows things down a hell of a lot. IF we go in without them, we will most likely lose UN troops safeguarding the country after the war has been won. Its a waste of U.S. troops to be standing around guarding cities from attacks when they could be routing out terrorists.

Originally posted by Kato
Are you in the army/marines/air force/navy?

No. I frequent bladeforums(which has a lot of military people), and one of those guys posted it.
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Originally posted by LukeDothSucketh
If we wait for U.N, it slows things down a hell of a lot. IF we go in without them, we will most likely lose UN troops safeguarding the country after the war has been won. Its a waste of U.S. troops to be standing around guarding cities from attacks when they could be routing out terrorists.

I understand where you are coming from, I just believe that this war is like giving placebo to cancer-ridden patient. Right now South America is being filled with lefty presidents. Brazil, Venezuela, Ecuador are all supporters of Fidel. What do you think should happen there? Though they may not be a big threat to the US, Venezuela is the 3rd supplier of oil and since their on going national strike (59 days and counting) the gas keeps going up because the supplies are going down. They are sending Collin Powells to talk to the nation that opposes a President that is threatening to take the private sector (i.e. will take the home you worked your ass for and bought and share it with the so called poor).

We have educated in our land military intelligence from other countries, specially South America that are known for abuse of human rights. We spend money for them to come here, our money, our taxes.

The bottom line is were damned if we do damned if we don't. If we don't, then when Sadam does strike us with one of his WMDs, eventually he will, those opposing a strike will be the first to lay blame on this admin. for not preventing it. I'll back this president on whatever decision is made on the Iraq issue. I wish I had the ability to write/speak like Kato, Jake etc. Since I don't I'll shoot straight from the hip. If anybody thinks Bush places his country above his self interest and absorption of power, they are mistaken. It bothers me that so many people in our country are willing to read more into things, for the conspiracy factor, and create arguments to support not doing something to stop an animal. Sadam is such a man, and given the opportunity he will not hesitate to eliminate millions of Americans. I much rather we eliminate him and his faithful first. I also believe by taking out Sadam we will actually strengthen our defense and weaken the terrorist. These people only understand power, it's what they seek, they will begin realize it's something they can't have. To eliminate Sadam quickly will be a major step in making terror a thing of the past, it will open the eyes of the Muslims, then maybe they will finally recognize the false profit.

I understand where you are coming from and respect your opinion but I doubt it very much that the fanatic muslim society will see this as "oh...we weer mistaken, Bush is God and he is righteous"... we will have killed innocent people, we will have killed our people and their people who died for their "cause" will be considered martyrs, it will like fuel to their hatred. I do not say this man should live or that he should not be taken away from power, what I say is that we are going about it the wrong way. There is no proof, no solid proof, and we are going to sacrifice the life of our own, our friends, our families to die for a hear say.

Do you know how much the ratings in CNN have increased since 9/11? 500%! when mentioning of the war heads they never specified that we allowed Iraq to keep missiles that fly only a certain distance (150km) Also, they called the warheads chemical warheads, they were not. The information gathered from CNN did not come through Blix or through normal channels but through as Japanese (read: close ally) inspector who contacted the news media and let rip before the facts were in hand...why? because War is good for the media business.

bzob y would anyone want the un's approval. the un lets tyrant and terrorist countries be a part of it. the un is destroying the world. i hate those prick basterds.

kato, luke, i think you know what i meant.i did not mean we disabled them as a country.i meant we did disable them as a threat to destroy our nation.we should be doing the same damn thing to iraq right now.fact is we are the most powerful nation around and we need to use that power to control ****.
maybe other nations and leaders do hold threatening weapons but that is not the point here.sadaam has them and he is a threat.he agreed to a treaty that he broke.
what is so ****in hard to understand about that?throw all your other little facts about everyone else out and what are you left with.
sadaam broke an agreement.now what are we supposed to do about that?nothing at all.just let it happen.never gonna happen my friend.sorry to say it but you can ***** and moan all you want, you will never be heard.we are going to war.it is not just cause of bush.he is not the only president that sent us into a war.kennedy did the same ****in thing and people think he was so great.what's the difference here?

What is hard to understand is that there is NO PROOF that there is weapons. What they found were weapons that we (during gulf war) allowed them to keep because they only travel about 150km, meaning no threat to US. Bush's comment was that the US shouldn't have to prove they have weapons, this to me is a bull**** comment, if we had proof it would be printed all over the place. If you care to do a little research and over look what the media (which survives on ratings) is feeding you you will be able to find Iraq's inventories on weapon that they do pocess and in them YOU WILL SEE that the "warheads" are included.

I do not say that he sucks a dirty mule's ass, but we are going about it all wrong, and physical power is no longer the ultimate strenghts. You are someone that can not deal with authority very well, you hate being told what to do, this can be seen in the way you communicate to people, react to situations and what not. I am sure you have lived conditions in where you are judged according to your past and I am sure you have been discriminated against and I can almost bet you hate "the man". Well the man right now is doing to a nation what he has done to so many other on a daily basis.

I do have friends that have to risk their lives in this war, they have families, get paid ****, get treated like **** and do not want to be there. So many people want war but are unable to stand boot camp. I am not for this man, I am for my friends and their loved ones. When these kids come home mutilated, scarred, who is going to help them? you? me? the goverment? what about their families, their children? Bush was a moron and he claims popularity out of 9/11, he is using this for his purposes.

One question:
whether we're talking about the type of weapons, can we can agree on one thing -

Iraq has not co-operated fully with the UN arms inspectors, thereby breaking their end of the agreement.

- The Jake

What I am saying is that we fully allowed them the liberty to keep these type of weapons after the gulf war. We had always known they had these type of low distance travel weapons, they were not a threat to us there for they felt it was ok to keep them then.

kato, you don't need to start taking stabs at me ok.i'm not trying to start **** with you.i also think bush is an idiot.
i also think that sadaam is crazy and needs to be dealt with.let's just leave it at that.still it is just my opinion.
you keep mentioning the gulf war and the media that is fueled by ratings.fact is, we don't know what is going on behind those doors.we know what the media tells us which may, or may not be the whole truth.

to answer your statement kato, i have no problems with "the man"