Who were the top ten best welterweights ever ?

Ted The Kid Lewis has got too be Number 1

Robinson is number one for sure.

my top 10:

robinson
leonard
napoles
armstrong
hearns
gavilan
basilio
griffith
tito
walcott

Robinson
daylight

Leonard
Armstrong
Hearns
Napoles
Whitaker
Basillio
Ross
Trinidad
De La Hoya

Robinson
Leonard
Tszyu
Armstrong
Hearns
Bavilan
Basilio
De La Hoya
Trinidad
Whitaker

robinson is #1 in my list.

The two Sugars have to be #1 and 1A.

my top 10:

robinson
leonard
napoles
armstrong
hearns
gavilan
basilio
griffith
tito
walcott

Great list I have Napoles very high on my list also. I hate to leave Barney Ross off the list on talent alone, but Welter is so deep you almost have to.

you dude aint doing nothing but copying each others picks...My top pick is Tito followed by the Sugar Rays...

you dude aint doing nothing but copying each others picks...My top pick is Tito followed by the Sugar Rays...

I could easily put Tito in the Top four but not higher than that. Armstrong didn't reign at Welter all that long, but the Ross win is huge. Titos competition wasn't deep enough to be number one. Not sure about having Walcott so high since no film of him exists and he was very small and not sure how he would have faired head to head with the others. Tito made alot of defenses but so did Pipino Cuevas and he doesn't belong in the top ten.

Number one With out a doubt is robinson. If he is the greates p4p of all time he has to be the greatest welterweight.

He was the best welterweight ever.

Number one With out a doubt is robinson. If he is the greates p4p of all time he has to be the greatest welterweight.

Not necessarily. He fought at Middleweight too and by your logic that means he's the greatest ever middle, but he's not. (In my opinion anyway).

Not necessarily. He fought at Middleweight too and by your logic that means he's the greatest ever middle, but he's not. (In my opinion anyway).

But he is the greatest welter, though.

But he is the greatest welter, though.

I agree with that. I just don't agree with Ben's logic.

Not necessarily. He fought at Middleweight too and by your logic that means he's the greatest ever middle, but he's not. (In my opinion anyway).

I dont think sugar ray ever lost at welter. imo hes best middle too.

Is it Unanimous?...Sugar Ray Robinson?...

I dont think sugar ray ever lost at welter. imo hes best middle too.

I think you right, but it is a damn shame no tape exists of him at welter really not much I should say, Fusari and one more I think. Monzon is the best Middleweight imo. It is a toss up though.

Robinson
Pryor
Whitaker
Hearns
Leonard
Chavez
Mosley
Trinidad
De La Hoya
Bisillio

In that order

Trinidad, Napoles, de la Hoya, and Robinson

In no particular order

Sugar Ray Robinson

Robinson
Pryor
Whitaker
Hearns
Leonard
Chavez
Mosley
Trinidad
De La Hoya
Bisillio

In that order

Pryor and Chavez fought at 140 and has little to no success at 147 either. Leonard should be ahead of Hearns on his head to head win alone, not metioning his win over Benitez is more impressive than Hearns over Ceuvas.

Sugar Ray Robinson and Leonard followed closely by Mayweather and Mosely

Sugar Ray Robinson and Leonard followed closely by Mayweather and Mosely

Mayweather has had like two fights at 147. Take it easy not yet. Mosely only beat DeLaHoya at 147 and no great fighters besides that at 147.

Sugar Ray Robinson

Sugar Ray Robinson

You are the first guy to post that. Congrats. :kiss: Just ****ing with ya.

Sugar Ray Robinson and Leonard followed closely by Mayweather and Mosely

Mayweather? Based on what accomplishments as a WW?

Based on Junior welter, Welter and Superwelterweight. Besides P4P means any weight so ....Yeah

My top three head to head welterweights would be

#1 Sugar Ray Robinson- no doubt undefeated at welterweight. Defeated 5 welterweight champions. His best work was done at welterweight and was his best division not middleweight (although he was a heck of middleweight). Awesome one punch power, speed, chin, courage, boxing skills, etc.

#2 Sugar Ray Leonard- Holds wins over undefeated great fighters such as Wilfred Benitez, and Thomas Hearns. Also a win over the great Roberto Duran in the infamous "no mas" bout. Even in his sole welterweight loss a close decision loss to Roberto Duran he performed valiantly and proved what he was made. Combined awesome handspeed with ko power, one of the best combination punchers in history of boxing.

#3 Thomas Hearns- Joe Louis called Thomas Hearns the hardest punching welterweight he had ever seen up till that point he said Ray Robinson was the hardest punching welterweight. Amazing KO artist destroyed the feared Pipino Cuevas. Had he beat Ray Leonard in there 1981 superfight he would be #2 on this list but lost in the 14th round when ahead on all cards. Was a ko artist who was also a great boxing stylist.

I would place Emile Griffith and Jose Napoles right behind these three fighters. I would also place Kid Gavilian and Tito Trinidad in the top 10.

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Sugar Ray Leonard
3. Thomas Hearns
4. Henry Armstrong
5. Jose Napoles
6. Barbados Joe Walcott
7. Pernell Whitaker
8. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
9. Emile Griffith
10. Julio Cesar Chavez

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Sugar Ray Leonard
3. Thomas Hearns
4. Henry Armstrong
5. Jose Napoles
6. Barbados Joe Walcott
7. Pernell Whitaker
8. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
9. Emile Griffith
10. Julio Cesar Chavezgreat list :kiss:

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Sugar Ray Leonard
3. Thomas Hearns
4. Henry Armstrong
5. Jose Napoles
6. Barbados Joe Walcott
7. Pernell Whitaker
8. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
9. Emile Griffith
10. Julio Cesar Chavez

i pretty much agree with this list, I also have Robinson at#1.

great list :kiss:

Thanks....:boxing:

i pretty much agree with this list, I also have Robinson at#1.

Everybody should.:lol1:

I personally believe Oscar should be rated above Tito at welterweight. Tito was a superb puncher with the ability to press the action throughout the fight, however did not the possess the same depth in his skillset or the ringsmarts... he was relatively one dimensional which allowed oscar to put on a boxing clinic in their match. Because of this i believe Oscar fares better in terms of head to head rankings within the welterweight division, one only needs to compare Oscars performance against Varagas to Trinidads to see the disparity in skill level and adaptability.

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Sugar Ray Leonard
3. Thomas Hearns
4. Henry Armstrong
5. Jose Napoles
6. Barbados Joe Walcott
7. Pernell Whitaker
8. Shane Mosley
9. Felix trinidad
10. Julio Cesar Chavez

I think Leonard is being ranked to high.

I think Leonard is being ranked to high.

Why?.......

He was a great boxer and I'm not taking anything away from him but there are definitely a couple who should be ranked better. It's probably just me. I usually side with the real old school boxers. Which is why I think its hard to compare boxers like Armstrong with boxers like Leonard. It was a different sport.