as far as in-ring, functional strength goes, i've heard alot of stories about this guy being a phenomenally strong mofo. how did his ability to man-handle opponents compare (at least p4p since HW's were obviously smaller back then) to guys like george foreman or lennox lewis?

as far as in-ring, functional strength goes, i've heard alot of stories about this guy being a phenomenally strong mofo. how did his ability to man-handle opponents compare (at least p4p since HW's were obviously smaller back then) to guys like george foreman or lennox lewis?

His strength was overrated. He fought guys a lot smaller than him, and he was scared to fight blacks.

That is all.:wave:

His strength was overrated. He fought guys a lot smaller than him, and he was scared to fight blacks.

That is all.:wave:

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Thats the jist of it.

P4P in 1920 Jim Jeffries is an Ox. P4P in 2007, Jim Jeffries is like the dad who dazzles his son because he can carry big boxes.

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Thats the jist of it.

P4P in 1920 Jim Jeffries is an Ox. P4P in 2007, Jim Jeffries is like the dad who dazzles his son because he can carry big boxes.

:lol1:.....

Have you guys been in the ring and tested his strength? Including the super tiny midget opponents he was fighting? No, so let's leave that judgement to the people who knew and fought him. He was strong, sadly he fought way back in the day, and you can't possibly find as much info and footage from him as a modern day fighter.

Have you guys been in the ring and tested his strength? Including the super tiny midget opponents he was fighting? No, so let's leave that judgement to the people who knew and fought him. He was strong, sadly he fought way back in the day, and you can't possibly find as much info and footage from him as a modern day fighter.

I agree, no one knows except his opponents. He was a physical specimen with endurance to match. He was also the heavy-weight boxing champion of the world, and deserves nothing but respect from this forum.

i'll bet he was very strong, back in his day people had to do a lot more hard labor than now, and he worked some of the hardest jobs of the time. he was a boilermaker, but without the power tools and machines that we have today. those kinds of jobs teach u how to put all your body weight into a punch

His strength was overrated. He fought guys a lot smaller than him, and he was scared to fight blacks.

That is all.:wave:

didn't he fight Johnson! And BTW Jim was way past his prime at the time! And in that era he was just like George Foreman!

didn't he fight Johnson! And BTW Jim was way past his prime at the time! And in that era he was just like George Foreman!



Yep. 110% right.

Yep. 110% right.


thats impossible, no one can be more than 100% right by definition that is the most anyone can be.

Yeah :haha: Why is everyone trying to be like Chuck Norris.

didn't he fight Johnson! And BTW Jim was way past his prime at the time! And in that era he was just like George Foreman!

He was pressured by his racist friends to fight Johnson. During his stint as champion, he ducked Johnson, as well as many other deserving black contenders.

Yeah :haha: Why is everyone trying to be like Chuck Norris.

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Yeah :haha: Why is everyone trying to be like Chuck Norris.

it's damn sad that Chuck didn't box we would call HIM the greatest instead of Ali! :D

He was pressured by his racist friends to fight Johnson. During his stint as champion, he ducked Johnson, as well as many other deserving black contenders.

ok I didn't know that!

ok I didn't know that!

If you keep coming on the forums, you'll learn a lot more things!:D

If you keep coming on the forums, you'll learn a lot more things!:D

whatever you say!:kiss:

Foreman was a lot bigger than many of his opponents as well at almost 6'4" and 220 ripped lbs. How successful would Foreman be manhandling a 250 lb Klitschko or 300 lb Valuev. Not nearly as effective I'd imagine.

I put his strength right up there with Foreman's personally. Maybe a bit weaker for the first few rounds, but much better muscular endurance and stamina and overall a better physical man and athlete than Big George in the long haul. Jeffries was a beast. 220 lbs in that era tells you all you need to know about his natural strength and musculature. Put him in Foreman's era where he's eating better and he's 235 no problem IMO. Today he'd be a lean 250 at under 6% bf unquestionable. His legs, arms, and chest would be huge if he was benching, squatting, doing deadlifts. He'd maybe Tyson look ordinary.

Guy ran 15 miles a day, didnt eat much by his own admission (didnt believe in eating heavy), and came in 220 anyway. He weighed 250-270 between fights when he wasn't running and was a somewhat chunky (but not grossly obese) 320 after he retired.

Ran a 10 sec. 100 meter dash (no steroids, weightlifting, plyommetrics, or even serious training in running) which was olympic level in the day, high jumped 6 feet.

One of the greatest physical specimens in ring history, whether he was racist or not. That's just the honest truth.

If you keep coming on the forums, you'll learn a lot more things!:D

Not from you though huh, cause then we'd all be hating white fighters:D

He likes dempsey though.

Not from you though huh, cause then we'd all be hating white fighters:D

I don't hate white fighters, I hate racist fighters.:fing02:

I see. A bit offtopic, but was Dempsey by any chance racist aswell? I have no idea about this, im just wondering.

thats impossible, no one can be more than 100% right by definition that is the most anyone can be.


You know what I meant. I meant that I agree 100%, and that I think he couldn't be more correct.

I see. A bit offtopic, but was Dempsey by any chance racist aswell? I have no idea about this, im just wondering.

supposedly dempsy wasnt a racist, its kinda iffy to say if he was or he wasnt, he signed to fight harry wills but dempsys handlers didnt honor the contract and instead signed to fight tunney (imo there would of been a black heavyweight champ pre louis if wills woulda fought dempsy, since dempsy wasnt an active champ at all)

but back on topic, ive heard stories about how strong jeffries was in close, maybe true but if the saying is true in boxing for an older boxer the last thing to go is power, but he didnt have that in the fight with johnson thats for sure, johnson messed him up. I think jeffries was more powerful in clinches, not in punching power or anything....but of course he couldnt of outpowered a foreman or a ali for that matter. One reason why i think so many say he was strong is cause thats all they saw, him and his wrasslin his opponents.

Jeffries went from 330+ to about 225 for Johnson in a very short span of time. Losing a hundred pounds will weaken any man.

I don't hate white fighters, I hate racist fighters.:fing02:

I agree, and I am very happy to see you feel that way, because judging a man by the color of his skin is one of the worst things a human being can do. But, you must consider the time period that Jeffries lived in.

I see. A bit offtopic, but was Dempsey by any chance racist aswell? I have no idea about this, im just wondering.

No, Dempsey being a racist is a myth.

No, Dempsey being a racist is a myth.

Indeed. Dempsey had no problem fighting black fighters but the promoters and handlers around Dempsey did have a problem with it.