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boxing4ever
03-19-2007, 11:08 PM
ok guys im sure you guys remember the thread aggressive right handers, well ive decided im done messing around with this kid and im not going to spar with him anymore! ya ya ya i know im goona feel less of my skills due to me not sparring him, but the reason is is its not sparring its like a street fight but with gloves on and in a ring and im getting hit hard and so is he so we usually leave with a bruise or two **** even last week i got hit hard in the neck by him, so ive decided screw it man if im goona take care of my body then its best in my choice to not spar with him. another reason is is that he will tell you ya man lets go light and next thing hes hitting with bombs and then that leads to me getting pissed off and hitting him back and we both end up walking away with pain so i said screw it im only goona spar with people that have self control

tell me what you guys think or if youve had something similar happen in your gym

IronNick
03-19-2007, 11:23 PM
toughen up. only choice you've got.

boxing4ever
03-19-2007, 11:39 PM
theres a diffrence between fighting with gloves on for 2x3minute rounds 3 times a week and sparring to get better 2x3minutes 3 times a week

Bear4228
03-19-2007, 11:43 PM
Man It's hard to say without acutally seein it you kno. I mean, if you can't take hard sparring, what makes you think youll take a hard match. Granted Sparring in also done to perfect your skills esp. defensive. Sooner or later if you keep sparring the same person...you will figure out his pattern and you'll adapt to it and then his punches wont seem to bad. Its your decision who you want to spar but you need to work up to the more hard people. You prolly do need to toughen up a bit but its not your only choice. Take it slow and easy, **** like this dont come in a few weeks. Use that brain you got, be quick on your feet and watch closely what the other guys does. Your gunna run into guys like that alllllll the time. Better learn now how to control them, while in a controled environment.

kryo
03-20-2007, 03:16 AM
If he's sparring just to hurt you then tell him to **** off. If he's not even boxing when he's in the ring then tell him to **** off.

**** you to whoever said "toughen up" and that was it.

boxing4ever
03-20-2007, 03:39 PM
If he's sparring just to hurt you then tell him to **** off. If he's not even boxing when he's in the ring then tell him to **** off.

**** you to whoever said "toughen up" and that was it.thank you man thank you for once someone understands i dont want to ****ing street fight with gloves on for ****ing 3 minutes and i notice every god damn time i spar that kid i dont learn ****

Exige Jr
03-20-2007, 03:57 PM
Yes, you need to toughen up.

If you are in an amateur fight and someone starts doing this to you, what are you going to do? Say you're not fighting cos he is fighting the way you dont want to?

Doing this breeds a losing attitude. You need to go in there knowing the way he is, and start hurting him for 3 minutes. Its the same in my club, I have utter control with people who dont have my skills or experience, and I have utter disrespect for people who throw bombs. The difference is that no matter what they do they are gonna be eating my shots so they can throw as hard as they like... thats more hard shots over my head or hitting the guard. Also my opportunity to put on my ¨dont give a ****¨ attitude and start doing what they are doing back.

The only time I would ever consider doing what you are doing is if i'm in with a professional heavyweight, whilst I am an amateur welter, and he is doing what this kid is doing. Otherwise you need to start wacking this dude clean in the face to warn him that you arent gonna take any more of his bull****...

boxing4ever
03-20-2007, 04:14 PM
its diffrent if its a ammatuer fight im not ready to spar at that high of a level i have only been training for 5 months and no way in hell could i trade hits with this kid due to him being a more experienced boxer and couple people at my gym stated that a while ago he was terrible and people would take it easy on him when he sparred but he never takes it easy when hes in there with people with less skills than him and last week he hurt 1 new kid and the week before that also both of the kids didnt knwo what they were doing so he knocked one of them on thier ass and it was discusting to watch because they werent big they were just my age and they didnt know a damn thing about sparring they only had 3 months experience and bam the last 30 seconds he started hitting like crazy it was a terrible view to see a experienced 2 year boxer try to ko another kid that had no experience but 2 months

-Antonio-
03-20-2007, 04:33 PM
I can see why you would want to avoid a gym war three times a week. I would also want to put the guy in his place to make him think twice about going too hard. Just look at Versys second sparring vid where he knocked the guy down because he was going to hard.

shawn_
03-20-2007, 04:45 PM
Train hard, spar smart, fight hard.

DoctorKillJoy
03-20-2007, 05:47 PM
Its one thing to say toughen up or just use defensive skills, or whatever. Being new to sparring you may not have the skills to use... Vers knocked that guy down, but Vers is a very good boxer with a lot of experience. Your trainer shouldn't be letting this guy spar like that but if he's not doing anything about it I think you're probably right to avoid sparring this guy. It sounds like other people there can probably see what this guy is about so I doubt anyone would really think less of you. Work on your defensive skills with good partners and then when you feel like you know enough to protect yourself maybe you can spar that guy again.

Hitman18
03-20-2007, 07:09 PM
TOUGHEN UP. My gym is a legitimate boxing gym and I always have gym wars. I go with people bigger than me, who are five times stronger than me, and throw bombs and I take the punishment and give some back. I leave in severe pain with swollen jaws, eyes, and neck pain, but I train harder everyday and then everytime I go back in the ring with these guys, I'm better at boxing them. Just cuz these guys go hard doesn't mean you have to take the pain. Think of a good strategy, defense, ducking, slipping, blocking, countering, footwork, moving around. Dont just automatically think you have to go toe to toe. Hell I don't go toe to toe everytime I spar. When guys go hard at me and throw Mayorga type punches, I duck em and slip em and counter the **** out of them. But you have to TOUGHEN UP. If you dont then you're just a chump. Look at Taylor, Wright, Vargas, De La Hoya, and all the other greats. They'll always tell you that at the beginning they would get beat up everyday by better fighters, then they trained and eventually became better than them. You'll never make it in boxing if you dont step up to the challenge. And whoever said "**** you to whoever said toughen up," I bet youre a chump who doesn't go toe to toe. Because if you did, you wouldn't disagree with toughening up.

boxing4ever
03-20-2007, 09:31 PM
TOUGHEN UP. My gym is a legitimate boxing gym and I always have gym wars. I go with people bigger than me, who are five times stronger than me, and throw bombs and I take the punishment and give some back. I leave in severe pain with swollen jaws, eyes, and neck pain, but I train harder everyday and then everytime I go back in the ring with these guys, I'm better at boxing them. Just cuz these guys go hard doesn't mean you have to take the pain. Think of a good strategy, defense, ducking, slipping, blocking, countering, footwork, moving around. Dont just automatically think you have to go toe to toe. Hell I don't go toe to toe everytime I spar. When guys go hard at me and throw Mayorga type punches, I duck em and slip em and counter the **** out of them. But you have to TOUGHEN UP. If you dont then you're just a chump. Look at Taylor, Wright, Vargas, De La Hoya, and all the other greats. They'll always tell you that at the beginning they would get beat up everyday by better fighters, then they trained and eventually became better than them. You'll never make it in boxing if you dont step up to the challenge. And whoever said "**** you to whoever said toughen up," I bet youre a chump who doesn't go toe to toe. Because if you did, you wouldn't disagree with toughening up.
you guys dont get the point man ive only been boxing for 5 months im in no way ready to duke it out with experienced kids

Evil_Meat
03-20-2007, 09:54 PM
TOUGHEN UP. My gym is a legitimate boxing gym and I always have gym wars. I go with people bigger than me, who are five times stronger than me, and throw bombs and I take the punishment and give some back. I leave in severe pain with swollen jaws, eyes, and neck pain, but I train harder everyday and then everytime I go back in the ring with these guys, I'm better at boxing them. Just cuz these guys go hard doesn't mean you have to take the pain. Think of a good strategy, defense, ducking, slipping, blocking, countering, footwork, moving around. Dont just automatically think you have to go toe to toe. Hell I don't go toe to toe everytime I spar. When guys go hard at me and throw Mayorga type punches, I duck em and slip em and counter the **** out of them. But you have to TOUGHEN UP. If you dont then you're just a chump. Look at Taylor, Wright, Vargas, De La Hoya, and all the other greats. They'll always tell you that at the beginning they would get beat up everyday by better fighters, then they trained and eventually became better than them. You'll never make it in boxing if you dont step up to the challenge. And whoever said "**** you to whoever said toughen up," I bet youre a chump who doesn't go toe to toe. Because if you did, you wouldn't disagree with toughening up.

you my friend, are a ****ing idiot. It's a learning experience, and if ur leaving the gym in severe pain all the time you're just hurting ur body needlessly. Keep it up, and u will end up with some neurological brain damage. You're probably tough, but what's that gonna do for you if it just allows u absorb punishment to the point where ur face is all ****ed up. Boxing4ever, don't listen to the toughen up bull****, maybe it would be fair to say if u weren't so inexperienced. No need to prove how tough you are by showing u can brawl with people. The brain is precious, and the people out there who slur their speech regret their frequent gym wars.

Hitman18
03-20-2007, 11:28 PM
I guess everyone's different. Just to let you know, I went 8 straight rounds after being in the gym for just 2 months, against an eighteen year old who won ten straight fights. Sure I got my ass kicked, bad, but I'm not brain damaged and whenever I spar people my weight or a little bit bigger, they have no chance. Brawling is also a learning experience. It works more on your heart, your will, your will to risk, and your conditioning. Like I said, everyone's different.

DoctorKillJoy
03-20-2007, 11:43 PM
B4E...I second the **** you to anyone telling you to just toughen up. Some situations are just not going to benefit you and this sounds like one of them. None of us know the situation as well as you do so you have to trust your own judgement and think about what you're trying to get out of this. You should have nothing to prove to anyone except yourself, so think about it and do what you feel is best for yourself.

If you're feeling intimidated because the guy hits kind of hard or is better than you're used to thats one thing and maybe you need to push yourself to overcome that. Or maybe you should overcome that by easing into it... building confidence fighting people at your level... no one can say whats right for you but you. I'm not saying thats the case, I'm just giving the case that best fits what these guys are saying....

What it sounds more like is that this guy is just going in trying to hurt people and that you don't feel your defensive skills are up to dealing with that and you don't think its helpful to spar with him. Thats completely reasonable and you shouldnt let anyone make you feel bad about that.

Evil_Meat
03-21-2007, 08:03 AM
I guess everyone's different. Just to let you know, I went 8 straight rounds after being in the gym for just 2 months, against an eighteen year old who won ten straight fights. Sure I got my ass kicked, bad, but I'm not brain damaged and whenever I spar people my weight or a little bit bigger, they have no chance. Brawling is also a learning experience. It works more on your heart, your will, your will to risk, and your conditioning. Like I said, everyone's different.

either my defence is good or my face doesen't swell at all because ive only got about 2 and a half months boxing experience at 17 and i showed up yesterday after a long layoff and gave lots of trouble to a 34 year old with 40
fights, and i usually spar a pro who i always seem to trouble. I seem to just get outboxed but seldom do i eat combinations, most of the time after i take 1 good punch i can cover up properly. You can test your will and heart by simply digging deep when ur very tired. Against these much more skilled guys i never get my ass kicked bad like u said u did. From what ive seen it takes a lot of flush punches for a person to look beat up and even if ur in there with someone really good you should still be able to defend yourself enough so that you mostly take 1 punch at a time. Can't you just test ur will heart and conditioning by trying to fight like ur fresh when you're actually insanely tired? You don't need to take a lot of punches IMO to test ur heart.

DoctorKillJoy
03-21-2007, 09:16 AM
I don't think he's trying to take punches... why do people keep talking about how they fought this guy and blah blah blah? We don't know who you fought and we don't know who b4e fought... there's no point in making comparisons...

But if we were making comparisons maybe we would talk about the fact that an experienced 34 year old boxer probably wouldnt be trying to take some inexperienced young kids head off in sparring sessions... The issue isn't always about heart, sometimes brains can help you out too...

DA1CATAS
03-21-2007, 10:13 AM
Throw all of your punches directly to his sternum.... Thats what I do when someone pisses me off when we're suppose to be learning... It'll air him out so quickly you wont believe it... You'll have to take a shot or too since ya seem to not know how to block hay makers... but once you hit once or twice he will be aaaiiired out.. go ahead and knock him out afterwards... then approach him about working and not starting a war. he should be more receptive...

Exige Jr
03-21-2007, 11:20 AM
Throw all of your punches directly to his sternum.... Thats what I do when someone pisses me off when we're suppose to be learning... It'll air him out so quickly you wont believe it... You'll have to take a shot or too since ya seem to not know how to block hay makers... but once you hit once or twice he will be aaaiiired out.. go ahead and knock him out afterwards... then approach him about working and not starting a war. he should be more receptive...
Good advice.

Beat the **** out of him, and then approach him after, he will definetly be up for whatever you have to offer him after he gets a grade A ass kicking.

shawn_
03-21-2007, 02:14 PM
Brain damage in boxing is not something that just happens after one gym war. It happens slowley over time, but one day you will be talking and sluring your words and then you will think to yourself, how did I get like this?

Its not an if it happens, or maybe it will happen. If you engage in frequent gym wars, you will end up with chronic brain injury, and long term side effects usualy reserved for Pros.

Headgear doesnt protect you from brain damage. It protects you from cuts. Telling sombody to toughen up is the worst advise you could ever give anyone. The brain does not get tougher. Its quite the opposite, the more damage you sustain, the less damage it can take. Its like a car, if you thrash it around enough it will break, but there isnt a place on earth you can go to undo the thrashing.

It doesnt only happen to people that engage in gym wars, but if you dont engage in gym wars, you have a much much much much better chance of dodging the proverbial bullet.

So remember, you only have one brain, and it doesnt grow back.

boxing4ever
03-21-2007, 03:08 PM
in the process of doing this its goona take a few tries hes alot faster than me

Undefeated
03-21-2007, 03:24 PM
timing beats speed. Throw that jab son.. Step that **** all the way to his face then move back immediately. See how he reacts... Im sure he will get mad if all he wants to do is slug.. Just keep moving away.. as he come towards you throwing these punches try to slip a couple of body shots then work your way upstairs. Try landing a leading right straight also if you can. Works for me... Try to feint alot and see how he reacts then boom.. You gonna catch him.. Just think smart.. if he wanna slug it doesn't mean you have to slug also.. Let him fight your fight... Make that ni99a chase you.. Use that jab.. make him look funny and lost in the ring.. Im pretty sure he will say to him self "DAMN i got outboxed!" lol

Deeznuts
03-21-2007, 04:22 PM
I know what you mean but you will eventually have to spar with him again. It will help you. You need to take a break from sparring (at least a week) and try to learn some new skill. The week after that, try what you learned on the kid and see if you are improving.

Peterp
03-21-2007, 07:37 PM
It should be a progression, you don't start off sparring full bore ! Start off with 30% then move upwards

Hurting newbies for ego purposes is stupid.