Who did you think won the debate?
Who looked better or worse from the second debate?
What did you like about what was said?
What didn't you like?
Did it affect how you will vote?

it seemed like bush was john kerrys daddy and he was taking him to school

i hate john kerrys phony smile when bush is talking **** about his past too

so gay

I don't think he's mentioned it, but I think John Kerry is a Vietnam Vet. :rolleyes:

The Yankees won. That's who.

Im mixed on who to vote for and who I like, I enjoy the idea of kerry's medical plan and his plan to raise minimum wage to 7 dollars an hour and all that mumbo jumbo...While it looks good on paper it is going to cost trillions of dollars and seems next to impossible, that would mean cleaning up bush's mess and then taking his own at hand and that would take WAAAAY more then four years. But like I said it looks good on paper.....But every politician talk about tax cuts to get votes and we all know those are all myths and never come to fruition.

Bush isnt proposing jack crap only a better economy and to solve the things in iraq, which is exactly what we need done you know? However it just all depends on how bush handles it.


One thing I would like to hear from both people is their plan to get that oil price catastrophy under control and get us back on straight....Starting with the oil shortage is a good way to gain votes and stack us back in good order.


But like I said I like kerry but only because I have fallen into his hype and bush is speaking logical, even though I despise bush (im a democrat) so I dunno....I will probably be voting for bush.

if its anything like the UK, its the lesser of two evils one set of lying bastards or another :rolleyes:

if its anything like the UK, its the lesser of two evils one set of lying bastards or another :rolleyes:

Kerry is the lying bastard and bush is both evils rolled up into one... :(

sad times to be an american.

People, it was Bush's judgement which put us in Iraq.

I just don't see how somebody whose judgement is THAT bad is going to be able to lead us to victory.

Bush seems to measure all foreign and domestic policy by "The way it is in Texas." He seems to believe that the whole world thinks like Texans.

Bush has ****ED UP at every turn. Time to fire his ass.

Lets put it this way.....with Kerry: Things probably will not get any worse.

With Bush in now, things ARE getting worse. If reelected I see no reason why this trend won't continue.

not much better here mate, rail systems falling apart, social system under the cosh from too many immigrants flooding in, I dont mean that nastily, I welcome people from all nations to Britain but of late its got out of control, even the govt had admitted it.

So we got a smug lil asswipe like Blair who makes false promises or Dr Doom in Howard who is the opposition.

Basically its like being asked to vote on whether you wqould like to pissed or shat on. :eek:
some choice. :rolleyes:

Spinks

Getting mad at Kerry for lying is like getting mad at the wind for blowing. HE IS A POLITICIAN!!!

The lies Kerry has told are FAR less than the ones Bush and Cheney have told.

Some people just don't get it. If you are rich bush is you friend. If your not he is screwing you!

If I was crowned the enlightened monarch of the planet I'd straighten the **** out in no time.

Basically its like being asked to vote on whether you wqould like to pissed or shat on. :eek:
some choice. :rolleyes:

That is brilliant

Spinks

Getting mad at Kerry for lying is like getting mad at the wind for blowing. HE IS A POLITICIAN!!!

The lies Kerry has told are FAR less than the ones Bush and Cheney have told.


I totally understand that, but I dont see any good in either of them. I mean it is going to take more then 4 years to correct what is happening now so it is ****ty to be a president at this point in time until things get resolved. I feel kerry looks good on paper but it is just so out their and cant happen due to the things bush has done....

Im totally 50/50 right now and possibly wont vote, because I cant make up my mind about either or.....

Anyone watch Alex Jones documentaries? This guy throws it down!

To see some more about why Bush and Kerry are the same guy, click on "watch the first 40 minutes" on this page:
http://infowars.com/dictators.htm

Alex gives away a lot of his movies online. This one is new and for sale; that's why only the first 40 minutes are out there.

American Dictators: Documenting the Staged Election of 2004

BBC Reporter Greg Palast: "Alex Jones is a national treasure, a light breaking through the electronic Berlin Wall of the US media establishment."

American Dictators is a 90+ minute expose chronicling the degeneration of America's political process. Alex Jones rips away layer after layer of the false left-right paradigm and finally reveals the 2004 election for what it is -- stage managed theater that would make Shakespeare proud.

American Dictators details:

That Bush and Kerry are closely related on both sides of their families,

That Bush the Skull and Kerry the Bone have both sworn an oath to a secret society with deep connections to organized crime, intelligence agencies, and the occult.

That the "Order of Death" known as Skull and Bones has its members at the highest levels of every sector of the US economy -- from banking to government.
Jones travels back to the elite encampment in Northern California, the Bohemian Grove where he infiltrated and got the only video footage of the bizarre rituals conducted by the bushes and others.

American Dictators shows that while Bush and Kerry spout different rhetoric their actions are almost identical. The film also takes a revealing look at Ralph Nader, the dark horse would-be political spoiler of '04.

Alex Jones takes you to the front lines of the fight against the expanding Police State: the new Super-Patriot Act and National ID Card, as well as some of the newest and most shocking revelations surrounding the September 11th cover-up.

American Dictators is a must-see for anyone who wants to know the truth concerning how the global elite has hijacked both parties and is giving the American people a false choice. By exposing this rigged game where the global mob owns all the horses, American Dictators is able to unlock minds so then freedom loving individuals can decipher the mainstream media propaganda for what it is: a Military-Industrial complex operation.

"Long after the election of 2004 is over, American Dictators will be just as pertinent to current events as when we first released it, because it exposes the fraudulent system itself - a system that continues to repeat the same tricks over and over again. American Dictators exposes the scam." -- Alex Jones

Its like this. If bush is elected its more of the same. Tax cuts for everyone including the rich (98 billion for the people making over 200K). If Kerry is elected he will repeal the cuts for the rich only and be able to do 2/3 of what he would like to do. Lower healthcare and put more $ into securing our borders all the while lower the extreme debt bush has put us in. OR Kerry can do everything he has promised and not pay down on the debt that bush has put us in.

Kerry looked right into the camera and said he won't raise taxes on the middle class. After Bush Sr's "read my lips, no new taxes" then actually raising taxes lead to his loss for reelection Kerry knows better than to raise taxes.

That is brilliant

Cheers mate i thought it summed the options up pretty well, Im not sure which one is which though :D

regardless of what has been said at least i know that if bush says that he is going to do something he does it, bad or good. the other guy john fairy doesn't even have a clue what he is going to do. he thinks he does but then that might change tomorrow if for some reason its not popular anymore. lawyers are very good speakers and liers. why would i want 2 lawyers running my country. why would i beleive either of them. especially with fairies history. btw was this guy actually in the military or is he making a joke with this left handed salute?

is this fool making a mockery of our whole military system wit that salute?

'I saluted with my right hand before I saluted with my left.'

I thought Kerry won the debate. He just speaks a lot more clearly that Bush does and he seems to make a lot of sense, even though a lot of the **** he promising he wont do.

I like Kerrys plan on perscription drugs and border security. I say border security loosely, because neither one of these A-holes are going to shut the southern border down to stop the invasion from Mexico. Bush has ****ed up so much that he just has to be fired, We need to set the bar for a 2 term prez a lot higher than this. I think we should almost always boot the incumbent unless they are doing a great job. Bush is not doing a great job. He has ****ed up a lot and when you listen to him speak in these debates he just sounds like he doest really know what hes talking about and just wants to reach the morons who switch off as soon as the hear the word liberal. I think America needs a change, so I am voting for Kerry for sure now. I dont think hes that great but Bush didnt earn another term. Lets try our luck with the other empty suit. :mad:

Pappy...I think that was more of a "tip your cap" gesture to the public after the debates. He was a soldier and I'm sure he knows that you salute with your right hand, secondly you don't salute civilians. Military men only salute officers.

explosive

I think those are my sentiments exactly.

[QUOTE=big_pappy]regardlees of what has been said at least i know that if bush says that he is going to do something he does it, bad or good. the other guy john fairy doesn't even have a clue what he is going to do. he thinks he does but then that might change tomorrow if for some reason its not popular anymore. lawyers are very good speakers and liers. why woudld i want 2 lawyers running my country. why would i beleive either of them. especially with fairies history. btw was this guy actually in the military or is he making a joke with this left handed salute?

very well said. And to add to that, %76 of the military want Busch elected not the Fairy. So your own military that protects you doesn't even want him in office so why should we vote against them. They know better then anyone who should be running this country. How can you support someone who votes this way and then that way just to get a vote. He has lied numarous times and has been cought and still people are wanting to vote for Fairy Kerry. Unbelievable.People get over or we will be run by the United Nations not even our own military. Why because thats the way Fairy wants it. No more Military. Think about it Folks.

Yep mine too. The only thing that would have me vote for Bush is the fact that I don't like another president coming in and picking up where another left off in regards to war. Otherwise, the US desperately needs a change in my opinion.

Is it too late for me to run a write-in campaign?

[QUOTE=big_pappy]regardlees of what has been said at least i know that if bush says that he is going to do something he does it, bad or good. the other guy john fairy doesn't even have a clue what he is going to do. he thinks he does but then that might change tomorrow if for some reason its not popular anymore. lawyers are very good speakers and liers. why woudld i want 2 lawyers running my country. why would i beleive either of them. especially with fairies history. btw was this guy actually in the military or is he making a joke with this left handed salute?

very well said. And to add to that, %76 of the military want Busch elected not the Fairy. So your own military that protects you doesn't even want him in office so why should we vote against them. They know better then anyone who should be running this country. How can you support someone who votes this way and then that way just to get a vote. He has lied numarous times and has been cought and still people are wanting to vote for Fairy Kerry. Unbelievable.People get over or we will be run by the United Nations not even our own military. Why because thats the way Fairy wants it. No more Military. Think about it Folks.


Military isn't the only deciding factor in people's minds. There are a ton of issues. We aren't ran by our military now.......our military is there to protect us...not govern us.

Wow, you don't even know how to spell the name of the candidate you support and you also resort to calling his competition silly names. Our country must be the best in the world when we'll even let people like you vote. Apalling!

Did any of you guys see that Bill O'Reilly lawsuit? Man, some juicy ****! If you havent it involves a possible 60 million extorsion and Bill O jacking off over the phone to one of his producers. EEEWWWWW!!!!

bigdaddy

My cousin was a reservist in Iraq. Thankfully he came back in one piece. He says that he would never vote for Bush. This guy WAS a Republican going in. He says he doesn't know ANYONE from his unit who wanted Bush to stay in office either. Where does your 76% figure come from?

Even if your figure was true, how ****ing DUMB is it that they would want a pampered oil heir over an actual combat veteran?

Explosive

Could not have happened to a more deserving *******.

Explosive

Could not have happened to a more deserving *******.

Ive always liked Oreilly and his show, but I can see how some people would dislike him. Saying that, I look at him a lot differently after reading the two lawsuits released yesterday. I just watched his show at the beggining to see what he would say about it, then I turned it off. This makes him look really bad.

I hate the guy. He is a louder, more overbearing and even MORE innaccurate version of Rush Limbaugh.

let me guess you guys think the hollywood producer michael moore is right?

let me guess you guys think the hollywood producer michael moore is right?

Who are you talking to and what are you referring to Pappy?

is this fool making a mockery of our whole military system wit that salute?

Our military system needs to be more than mocked.

Another victory for Kerry.

Anyone watch Alex Jones documentaries? This guy throws it down!

To see some more about why Bush and Kerry are the same guy, click on "watch the first 40 minutes" on this page:
http://infowars.com/dictators.htm

Alex gives away a lot of his movies online. This one is new and for sale; that's why only the first 40 minutes are out there.

American Dictators: Documenting the Staged Election of 2004

BBC Reporter Greg Palast: "Alex Jones is a national treasure, a light breaking through the electronic Berlin Wall of the US media establishment."

American Dictators is a 90+ minute expose chronicling the degeneration of America's political process. Alex Jones rips away layer after layer of the false left-right paradigm and finally reveals the 2004 election for what it is -- stage managed theater that would make Shakespeare proud.

American Dictators details:

That Bush and Kerry are closely related on both sides of their families,

That Bush the Skull and Kerry the Bone have both sworn an oath to a secret society with deep connections to organized crime, intelligence agencies, and the occult.

That the "Order of Death" known as Skull and Bones has its members at the highest levels of every sector of the US economy -- from banking to government.
Jones travels back to the elite encampment in Northern California, the Bohemian Grove where he infiltrated and got the only video footage of the bizarre rituals conducted by the bushes and others.

American Dictators shows that while Bush and Kerry spout different rhetoric their actions are almost identical. The film also takes a revealing look at Ralph Nader, the dark horse would-be political spoiler of '04.

Alex Jones takes you to the front lines of the fight against the expanding Police State: the new Super-Patriot Act and National ID Card, as well as some of the newest and most shocking revelations surrounding the September 11th cover-up.

American Dictators is a must-see for anyone who wants to know the truth concerning how the global elite has hijacked both parties and is giving the American people a false choice. By exposing this rigged game where the global mob owns all the horses, American Dictators is able to unlock minds so then freedom loving individuals can decipher the mainstream media propaganda for what it is: a Military-Industrial complex operation.

"Long after the election of 2004 is over, American Dictators will be just as pertinent to current events as when we first released it, because it exposes the fraudulent system itself - a system that continues to repeat the same tricks over and over again. American Dictators exposes the scam." -- Alex Jones


Can you say conspiracy theorist? Ive heard all this **** before. And no one can come up with any real proof supporting it. They might have been in the Skull and bones, but thats where I draw the line. They both went to the same college, so its not too surprising that they ended up in the same frat. And thats all I beleive it is.

I felt Bush won the dabate. Kerry had absolutely no answear for social securtiy, and that will cost him dearly. Also Edwards had done some smooth work on clearing out that world test crap, and Kerry tries to defend it. I thought that was a bad move on his part.

he is probably not even saluting.

Anyway

I thought Kerry won the debate.

Who did you think won the debate?
Who looked better or worse from the second debate?
What did you like about what was said?
What didn't you like?
Did it affect how you will vote?

I don't really care who wins this election. Don't really like either guy. But as to who won the debates, Kerry clearly won the 1st and 3rd debates, rather one-sidedly. Anybody saying any different is just a gung-ho Bush supporter. Edwards pulled it out in the VP debate.
I missed most of the 2nd Pres debate so I cannot comment on that one.

From the 2 Prez debates I saw, I can see why Bush was wanting to duck Kerry. He would've been smarter to have not had those debates. Would've helped his chances.

Kerry clearly wants out of Iraq and I do agree with him on building strong alliances with other countries, rather than tearing them apart as it seems Bush has done to a large extent. And he seems like he'd push for Hydrogen cars quicker than Bush, so I'd probably vote for him. Not because I like him as much as it is just that I really don't like Bush very much.

People say they feel more safe with Bush as President. Why? He's crazy enough to go pick more fights. I have no doubt that even if the 9/11 attacks hadn't happened, Bush would've attacked Iraq. It is just part of Bush trying to be like Daddy, imo. He wanted to collect Saddam as a trophy so he could say "I got him for ya paw!"

Something seems a little fishy to me about the whole Iraq/Saddam thing. US Soldiers caught him and didn't shoot him? Seriously, who would've known if they had just shot him in the face and claimed he tried to shoot at them? Enough of that junk happens in America with cops planting things, why not for that? Just seems odd to me. And they just turn Saddam over to Iraq after all the years of wanting him killed? With the shape of Iraq and it's current government? It just doesn't seem like good judgement.



If you like how things are now, vote for Bush. If not, vote for Kerry. Seems to make the most sense to me. I'm not happy with how everything in the US is now, so if I vote, I'll go for Kerry.

If you don't really care and don't dislike either guy, flip a coin.

I do not like war. War is very bad. But, terrorism is much worse than war. There is a difference between the two. They are not the same. There are still rules and morality in War. War does not hurt children in Beslan. It also does not fly planes into the buildings.

I hope the man who wins this election will help finally end terrorism. I cried so much when I saw the mothers and fathers holding their little children of Beslan. I still cry.

ter·ror·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (tr-rzm)
n.
The use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

Sounds like war to me winter.

BTW, war sucks, terrorism also sucks but coke rules :cool: :eek: ;)

no, but if it were legal , I would

Sometimes mostly at night while watching a movie or something.

kerry owned bush for every moment of every debate but the problem was that the average american couldnt relate to what kerry was saying. they relate much better with the blathering calvinist peace of **** that is our president.