View Full Version : Where would Biggie be at in the game currently??
Kobe Bryant 03-05-2007, 01:25 PM Would he still be relevant? Yes Would he be top 5 all time? Would Jay be so huge now if Big were still alive? A few what ifs. I know he would be top 5 still spittin'. Maybe a Wu collabo and Nas collab.
Here's a decent article about his legacy....
http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/columns-editorials/id.734/title.a-decade-later-where-would-biggie-be
THE REAL NINJA 03-05-2007, 01:43 PM I think Jay Z and Nas would have ended up being too Big what Snoop was to 2pac. Or you could say what 50 cent is too Eminem and Dre.
I would have liked to have seen a superstar group of Big ,Jay,Nas,Joe/Pun,DMX,Ja Rule.
For some reason I think 2pac would have ended up fueding with 50cent rather then teaming up with him . I think 2pac would have been able too get over the Dr.Dre fued and would have worked with Dre and EM but his personality would have clashed with 50, as both wanted to be the thug leader .
In the end there would have been a chance too have seen the greatest combos possible if all had lived .
Maybe even some mis-match team ups like 2pac and Big vs 50 & Jay z or Or 2pac & Ja Rule vs DMX & 50, who knows .
fasman 03-05-2007, 02:02 PM i reckon biggie would be on top of his game....
jay-z wouldnt be as huge as he is now... nas would still be huge....
pac and big would reconcile eventually..
pac would hate 50 just because of the way he acts and starts beef wid everyone....
big would do collabos wid wu-tang fo sure!!!! and they'd be sick.....lol
i believe biggie said in 96 or 97 that he would retire in 2000.. and concentrate on junior mafia and lil cease.....
THE REAL NINJA 03-05-2007, 03:16 PM i reckon biggie would be on top of his game....
jay-z wouldnt be as huge as he is now... nas would still be huge....
pac and big would reconcile eventually..
pac would hate 50 just because of the way he acts and starts beef wid everyone....
big would do collabos wid wu-tang fo sure!!!! and they'd be sick.....lol
i believe biggie said in 96 or 97 that he would retire in 2000.. and concentrate on junior mafia and lil cease.....
Another reason that I think 2pac and Big would end up back together . Pac wanted to bring in Wu Tang as part of Euthanasia & Death Row east, and with as much as 2pac's name sells no one in their right mind would have turned down signing with him .
I still feel that the whole beef was more show then anything else . I think the main drama was based more on Suge's dislike of Puff then it was 2pac /Big. I think Pac understood marketing better then anyone else in music history and knew how big Biggie was going too be and how well a 'beef' would sell based on their past history and the "mistery" of who shot/set up Pac.
As Fasman said Jay wouldn't be as huge as he is now but he would probably be more pure, Big would have kep him that way and there would have been far more collaborations between jay and Big.
To an extent jay would stand in Big's spotlight.
Nas' position would be much higher because Big would have helped keep the game pure (and by making many guests appearences since he wouldn't be put out of the limelight by Jay's success).
Lyrical Content would be more important in general, and content artists like outkast and Scarface would replace alot of that wild crunk stuff coming out of the South.
The west coast would probably be a little more in the spotlight (but not much).
I think Jay Z and Nas would have ended up being too Big what Snoop was to 2pac. Or you could say what 50 cent is too Eminem and Dre.
I would have liked to have seen a superstar group of Big ,Jay,Nas,Joe/Pun,DMX,Ja Rule.
For some reason I think 2pac would have ended up fueding with 50cent rather then teaming up with him . I think 2pac would have been able too get over the Dr.Dre fued and would have worked with Dre and EM but his personality would have clashed with 50, as both wanted to be the thug leader .
In the end there would have been a chance too have seen the greatest combos possible if all had lived .
Maybe even some mis-match team ups like 2pac and Big vs 50 & Jay z or Or 2pac & Ja Rule vs DMX & 50, who knows .
I thought Lefthook only ressurected Big?
THE REAL NINJA 03-05-2007, 03:32 PM I thought Lefthook only ressurected Big?
And I was adding that if neither of them had died . I can do that right ?
anyway the point is that i feel that they were connected souls . If Pac had not been killed there would not have been a need for the revenge killing of Big 'if that is how it went down'.
Either way I don't think that one would have lived on with out the other. They were the embodiment of yin yang symbolism . On one side you have a skiny, loud,verbally aggressive, man and on the other you have a over weight ,soft spoken,verbally pasifistic 'as far as 2pac goes', man,yet both were very much connected by music,life experiences and early death .
neils7147933 03-05-2007, 04:43 PM Biggie's second album was getting poppy and his third album was garbage.
Where Biggie is at now would probably depend on how much Diddy he allowed into his music, and how ****y he got with what he was capable of. Would we really want Smalls doing movies and selling clothes, doing commercials? In a way, his legend, and Pac's as well, benefits from them dying so young...
Biggie is like James Dean in that he only put out a little amount of work before his death, and the quality was there. He died before he could put out some crap when he was less inspired, or lazy, or maybe just unable to match his earlier success...
The Fix 03-05-2007, 07:24 PM you never know.... he could fall off like prodigy....
but as far as a wu collabo, i think shark *****z took care of that..
Jim_Davis 03-05-2007, 08:55 PM If big was still alive I get the feeling Nas would be in the same situation but Jay-Z wouldnt be a superstar.
However if Pac was still alive half of these rappers today wouldnt even exist.
Versastyle 03-05-2007, 09:10 PM rappin with jeezy and lil wayne. yeaaaaaaaaaah-jeezy
The Fix 03-05-2007, 09:27 PM If big was still alive I get the feeling Nas would be in the same situation but Jay-Z wouldnt be a superstar.
However if Pac was still alive half of these rappers today wouldnt even exist.
why is that?
Jim_Davis 03-05-2007, 11:55 PM why is that?
So many rappers bite off his style. Ja Rule is 1 off the top of my head. Completely re-used 2pac's image and tried to make it his own.
fasman 03-06-2007, 01:47 PM So many rappers bite off his style. Ja Rule is 1 off the top of my head. Completely re-used 2pac's image and tried to make it his own.
Tha Realest... lol
Bucktown Beast 03-06-2007, 01:55 PM Biggie would more than likely be on the "fell off" phase right now. He would definitely be in the mainstream, R&B rap sound type style, instead of the rough **** he started with. Would have done collabos with just about every artist alive and expended his exclusiveness.
fasman 03-06-2007, 01:57 PM the thing wid biggie was that he could switch his style and rhymes he was a versatile rapper...
therefore would have a wider scope and range of the music market to target...
Tuggers1986 03-06-2007, 02:00 PM I think Jay Z and Nas would have ended up being too Big what Snoop was to 2pac. Or you could say what 50 cent is too Eminem and Dre.
I would have liked to have seen a superstar group of Big ,Jay,Nas,Joe/Pun,DMX,Ja Rule.
For some reason I think 2pac would have ended up fueding with 50cent rather then teaming up with him . I think 2pac would have been able too get over the Dr.Dre fued and would have worked with Dre and EM but his personality would have clashed with 50, as both wanted to be the thug leader .
In the end there would have been a chance too have seen the greatest combos possible if all had lived .
Maybe even some mis-match team ups like 2pac and Big vs 50 & Jay z or Or 2pac & Ja Rule vs DMX & 50, who knows .
If 2pac was still alive 50 wouldn't be what/who he is.
Tha Greatest 03-06-2007, 03:19 PM He would probably suck, no offense.
Ready 2 Die was a crazy album, it makes my top 3 of all time.
That's the only good album BIG has released. Life After Death was crap, it had a few good songs.
BIG dropped his game big time, started becoming like Puff ***got.
Tha Greatest 03-06-2007, 03:22 PM Biggie would more than likely be on the "fell off" phase right now. He would definitely be in the mainstream, R&B rap sound type style, instead of the rough **** he started with. Would have done collabos with just about every artist alive and expended his exclusiveness.
Yup...
Life After Death is proof of that. I think his death helped his career out a lot, who knows what kind of crap he would have released if he was still alive.
ROSEWOOD 03-06-2007, 05:47 PM Gettin in on the southern movement...money is money and he would have made it with any man, women or beast....
Kobe Bryant 03-06-2007, 10:05 PM Life After Death was not crap at all. It was a pretty good album. Especially for a double album. Better than Nas and Jay's double albums.
Knicksman20 03-07-2007, 12:22 PM Frank White would be putting it down still & ruling with an iron fist. Jay wouldn't be as big as he is today & I think Nas would be about the same as he is today. BIG made Kick In The Door about Nas so who knows how long their beef might've lasted. BIG had the hardcore audience as well as the mainstream because he was so versatile. Life After Death was a sick double album. Songs like: Last Day, N**as Bleed, What Is Beef, My Downfall, 10 Crack Commandments, & You Nobody Till..... It's a shame that raps lyrical content has hit a really low level & it's mostly due to BIG, Pac, & Pun's deaths.
fasman 03-07-2007, 01:48 PM life after death was a top album....
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