Obviously I'm going with my boy Byrd. As I have said many times before, Chris will box circles around Big Time all night long and make him look like an amatuer. Byrd wins this one by a lopsided UD.

However it is interesting to note that Byrd has had trouble with bigger men and McCline is a monster of a man, but those bigger men all weren't afraid to let their hands go unlike McCline and those other bigger guys weren't afraid of their own shadow unlike McCline.

Obviously I'm going with my boy Byrd. As I have said many times before, Chris will box circles around Big Time all night long and make him look like an amatuer. Byrd wins this one by a lopsided UD.

However it is interesting to note that Byrd has had trouble with bigger men and McCline is a monster of a man, but those bigger men all weren't afraid to let their hands go unlike McCline and those other bigger guys weren't afraid of their own shadow unlike McCline.


Byrd wins and I think he wins easy.

now give me all your points

Byrd by UD.

i think byrd wins but i think he wins by tko late.

MCCLINE BY KO 7. ill put 1500 points on a mccline win any takers ?

Byrd wins and I think he wins easy.

now give me all your points


It won't let me donate to you.

i'll take that bet, how we do it.

and i'll raise you 500 points if mcline wins by ko, if you do the same for me with byrd by tko.

I'll say that this ends up being a close decision cause McCline isn't a sharp enough puncher to catch Byrd!!! That is the only way to KO Byrd. He has an excellent chin!!! This fight goes the decision for sure!!! I say it could go either way.

It won't let me donate to you.


click donate by me karma and it should be fine

I'll say that this ends up being a close decision cause McCline isn't a sharp enough puncher to catch Byrd!!! That is the only way to KO Byrd. He has an excellent chin!!! This fight goes the decision for sure!!! I say it could go either way.


Byrd will never lose a close decision, what is up with that Don King heart attack i have been calling for?

Byrd will never lose a close decision, what is up with that Don King heart attack i have been calling for?


I think you are right about that!!! But you never Know!!! King might have options on McCline!!! ;)

I think you are right about that!!! But you never Know!!! King might have options on McCline!!! ;)


why would he? mccline is horrible. absofu**inglutely horrible.

i'll take that bet, how we do it.

and i'll raise you 500 points if mcline wins by ko, if you do the same for me with byrd by tko.

yeah you are on.

McCline is not going to KO Byrd. McCline has horrible boxing skills. I would be very surprised if he were to beat Byrd. In order to beat Byrd you must have good boxing skills. Even if Byrd is going downhill like his last two performances would lead us to believe, he still easily UD's McCline.

mcline is byrds sparring partner i've seen them spar.

i've also (and i know it will be hard for you to belive) seen byrd drop mcline with the straight left to the body.

mcline can box fighters his own size ok when he's not intimadated
but smaller well schooled fighters own him.

Obviously I'm going with my boy Byrd. As I have said many times before, Chris will box circles around Big Time all night long and make him look like an amatuer. Byrd wins this one by a lopsided UD.

However it is interesting to note that Byrd has had trouble with bigger men and McCline is a monster of a man, but those bigger men all weren't afraid to let their hands go unlike McCline and those other bigger guys weren't afraid of their own shadow unlike McCline.

I'm not a Byrd fan at all, but this fight will be an easy win for Byrd. McCline is an overrated clubber at best. He is big and strong, but has little boxing ability. Byrd might have trouble with big guys, but those guys had a little skill to boot.

UD for Byrd

mcline is a hungry beast .. after he fought vlad vlad was never the same again .. people think vlad knocked him out but mcline just didnt come out for the 11 cuz he was drainined and over trained.. 6'6 265 is nuts.. toneys injury was a blessing from god.. mcline is underrated and if he throws combos he can be real dangerous cuz his size alone

mcline is a hungry beast .. after he fought vlad vlad was never the same again .. people think vlad knocked him out but mcline just didnt come out for the 11 cuz he was drainined and over trained.. 6'6 265 is nuts.. toneys injury was a blessing from god.. mcline is underrated and if he throws combos he can be real dangerous cuz his size alone

Haha wow I've heard it all now.

you need to bank your points good sir

Byrd wins easily. I would give McCline the normal puncher's chance, but he's never really displayed much pop, except against grant, and that doesn't really count.

I think Byrd may make McCline look very stupid indeed. Byrd has the style to completely fool McCline and frustrate him by avoid his big clumsyshots. The only thing Byrd has to do to win is not get hit because i cannot ever imagine McCline outboxing Byrd. I have always had a hunch that Byrd struggles against taller opponents but i doubt McCline will do a Wladimir on him.

I think Byrd may make McCline look very stupid indeed. Byrd has the style to completely fool McCline and frustrate him by avoid his big clumsyshots. The only thing Byrd has to do to win is not get hit because i cannot ever imagine McCline outboxing Byrd. I have always had a hunch that Byrd struggles against taller opponents but i doubt McCline will do a Wladimir on him.

yeah i doubt mccline will use a foreign substance .

Byrd 118-110.

mccline sucks ass.... he's not a big puncher, has very limited skills and has stamina problems.... mccline will come out aggressive and may even take a few early rounds, but the rest of fight will be all byrd..... byrd will slip, peck and ***** slap his way to an easy UD....

This fight will absolutely blow.

Chris Byrd, while I appreciate his skill, is rarely in a decent scrap.
McCline is the biggest nervous wreck in boxing history.


What a hilarious sight it will be to see the 6'6", 260lb monster breathing hard & flinching when facing the featherfisted former super-middleweight.

A bad fight....on the worst card ever assembled.

The heavyweight division should be banned, & after this multi-fight waste of time & money, maybe it will be !
One can only hope !

AGREED, this card is absolute crap.... you are not a true boxing fan if you pay to watch and support this DREK!!! Nobody should order it, to let don king know he cant get away with this farse....

I'll say that this ends up being a close decision cause McCline isn't a sharp enough puncher to catch Byrd!!! That is the only way to KO Byrd. He has an excellent chin!!! This fight goes the decision for sure!!! I say it could go either way.

It will go to the decsision but it won't be close.

yeah i doubt mccline will use a foreign substance .


...Don't tell me you believe that bull****!!!! The only thing Wlad had on his gloves that caused a problem for Byrd was a stinging punch. Byrd got his ass beat and then showed how much class he has by making up that lame crap about a substance on Wlads gloves. Talk about a hypocritical christian. lol lol lol

Byrd will win an easy UD. The only chance McCline has is to bully Byrd and lean on him and slow him down enough to make him hitable in the later part of the fight.

...Don't tell me you believe that bull****!!!! The only thing Wlad had on his gloves that caused a problem for Byrd was a stinging punch. Byrd got his ass beat and then showed how much class he has by making up that lame crap about a substance on Wlads gloves. Talk about a hypocritical christian. lol lol lol

Yeah, yet he seems to get a free pass.

McCline only looks horrible when he's scared. I don't think that Byrd has the power to scare him. I think he might surprise some people and look pretty good en route to a U.D.

This fight will absolutely blow.

Chris Byrd, while I appreciate his skill, is rarely in a decent scrap.
McCline is the biggest nervous wreck in boxing history.


What a hilarious sight it will be to see the 6'6", 260lb monster breathing hard & flinching when facing the featherfisted former super-middleweight.

A bad fight....on the worst card ever assembled.

The heavyweight division should be banned, & after this multi-fight waste of time & money, maybe it will be !
One can only hope !


:D Don't be suprised with Don King at helm? ;)

1. Byrd will win by a good decision! If McCline manages to KO Byrd, I will eat my hat.

2. It is funny that McCline claims that he destroyed Wlad's career. I suppose it shows his "humble" character.

...Don't tell me you believe that bull****!!!! The only thing Wlad had on his gloves that caused a problem for Byrd was a stinging punch. Byrd got his ass beat and then showed how much class he has by making up that lame crap about a substance on Wlads gloves. Talk about a hypocritical christian. lol lol lol

it is well documeted that fighters going overseas to fight universum fighters comeback complaining they where sick the night of the fight.

in fact byrd said he had diarrea the night of the vitali klit fight.

ross purty said he was sick the night he fought wlad.

derrick harmon, richard hall and virgil hill all complianed of being sick the night they fought Dariusz Michalczewski which is the reason roy told Dariusz "we fight in the u.s. or not at all".
also montell griffin was the victim of a short stopage over there


now when i hear all of this i think "universum must be poising their fighters opponents", and after byrd complaines of being sick and still beating their guy, i can definatlly see them using something to swell byrds eyes, after all byrd never swelled when getting hit by big punchers before, cut? yes. never swelling.

why don't you ask for my opinion about that post before giving me bad karma. are you just a jerk? or did you just get angry at the thought of someone besmecheing the honor of your favorate fighter.


i guess it doesn't matter, i dont hate the klit brothers but i do think they cannot fight up to the level of hype and that their promoters where compensating for that so that they could have a impressive record when their fights got sold over here in the u.s. through hbo.

i dont blame the klits for that either they are probable unaware of the degree of how much their fights are fixed(i do think both of them must have seen how much smaller the ring was they fought byrd in was from the one agreed apone in their contract. it was 16ft instead of 24). the same way i dont blame byrd for not unifing the dividion or for not fighting toney, or jones. thats king shutting these fights out.

so i think byrd can beat both klits so what?

stop acting like a baby and research what im talking about and see if im wrong before insulting me and then insulting byrds religious stance when he's a guy that you've never met.

ok

:cool:

it is well documeted that fighters going overseas to fight universum fighters comeback complaining they where sick the night of the fight.

in fact byrd said he had diarrea the night of the vitali klit fight.

ross purty said he was sick the night he fought wlad.

derrick harmon, richard hall and virgil hill all complianed of being sick the night they fought Dariusz Michalczewski which is the reason roy told Dariusz "we fight in the u.s. or not at all".
also montell griffin was the victim of a short stopage over there


now when i hear all of this i think "universum must be poising their fighters opponents", and after byrd complaines of being sick and still beating their guy, i can definatlly see them using something to swell byrds eyes, after all byrd never swelled when getting hit by big punchers before, cut? yes. never swelling.

why don't you ask for my opinion about that post before giving me bad karma. are you just a jerk? or did you just get angry at the thought of someone besmecheing the honor of your favorate fighter.


i guess it doesn't matter, i dont hate the klit brothers but i do think they cannot fight up to the level of hype and that their promoters where compensating for that so that they could have a impressive record when their fights got sold over here in the u.s. through hbo.

i dont blame the klits for that either they are probable unaware of the degree of how much their fights are fixed(i do think both of them must have seen how much smaller the ring was they fought byrd in was from the one agreed apone in their contract. it was 16ft instead of 24). the same way i dont blame byrd for not unifing the dividion or for not fighting toney, or jones. thats king shutting these fights out.

so i think byrd can beat both klits so what?

stop acting like a baby and research what im talking about and see if im wrong before insulting me and then insulting byrds religious stance when he's a guy that you've never met.

ok

:cool:

This is worse than vaseline, claims of drugging, missing passes, suspicious person tampering with water, and an evening out of the odds. Shame on you.

This is worse than vaseline, claims of drugging, missing passes, suspicious person tampering with water, and an evening out of the odds. Shame on you.

i have no shame i did my research, your just reacting to a feeling,

which is a valid way to exspresse ones self but hardly anything for me to be ashamed of.

I really think this stuff does go on in boxing!!! But it happens EVERYWHERE!!! Even here in the US!!! Boxing is the most corrupt sport there is!!! I do believe the **** about Universum, and I also believe the **** about Wlad being drugged!!! I really doubt that all these pro athletes would come out and make these claims if they didn't feel it was true!!! In boxing, a fighter knows his own body like no one else!!! Some may be making it up, but very few!!!

i have no shame i did my research, your just reacting to a feeling,

which is a valid way to exspresse ones self but hardly anything for me to be ashamed of.

So was Wlad drugged against Brewster?

So was Wlad drugged against Brewster?
i dont know, maybe. i dont think don king is above that sort of thing so its possable. (not his style though.)

don would much rather apoint the right judge (someone who owes him big) and have a ref on the payroll (like richard steele back in the day.)

i tend to think that since wlad faded against purity and got ko'ed
that it's him and not a drug, but i didn't see the brewster fight and can't say how he looked.(i'm told he look druged and not tired.) manny backing him up on this claim helps me believe in the idea though.

i'll ask my trainer if he's heard any news on the subject.

i'll go to worldclass (a gym in newark) don king always comes through there so the place is a always a good place to find out about whats gonna go down before a fight, just a lotta connected
people there. let you know tommarrow.

....................................

Mrs. Thaz said: derrick harmon, richard hall and virgil hill all complianed of being sick the night they fought Dariusz Michalczewski which is the reason roy told Dariusz "we fight in the u.s. or not at all".
also montell griffin was the victim of a short stopage over there


......The lesson in this story is not to eat that rich assed German food. Those are ready made excuses for a bad performance or a bad beating or both. Byrd complained after he was gifted in the Vitali fight because he knew he got his ass beat for nearly the entire fight. The fact that you think Byrd could even be competitive with either Klit much less beat them speaks to your lack of boxing knowledge. Who are you supposed to be anyway? You like to name drop and talk about being there in person to see certain things. I think your just another Byrd nuthugger talkin out of your ars. So let me get this straight. You think that Byrd(coming off of two ugly wins that most thought he lost) would defeat Vitali(the guy who gave him a beating with one arm and also the same guy that retired Lennox Lewis, took out Kirk Johnson and the hard punching Corrie Sanders, and the very same guy that is fighting better than at any point in his career while being recognized by most as the legitimate champ? lol lol lol lol lol STFU and crawl back into your hole!!

Mrs. Thaz said: derrick harmon, richard hall and virgil hill all complianed of being sick the night they fought Dariusz Michalczewski which is the reason roy told Dariusz "we fight in the u.s. or not at all".
also montell griffin was the victim of a short stopage over there


......The lesson in this story is not to eat that rich assed German food. Those are ready made excuses for a bad performance or a bad beating or both. Byrd complained after he was gifted in the Vitali fight because he knew he got his ass beat for nearly the entire fight. The fact that you think Byrd could even be competitive with either Klit much less beat them speaks to your lack of boxing knowledge. Who are you supposed to be anyway? You like to name drop and talk about being there in person to see certain things. I think your just another Byrd nuthugger talkin out of your ars. So let me get this straight. You think that Byrd(coming off of two ugly wins that most thought he lost) would defeat Vitali(the guy who gave him a beating with one arm and also the same guy that retired Lennox Lewis, took out Kirk Johnson and the hard punching Corrie Sanders, and the very same guy that is fighting better than at any point in his career while being recognized by most as the legitimate champ? lol lol lol lol lol STFU and crawl back into your hole!!


"......The lesson in this story is not to eat that rich assed German food."

wrong :The lesson in this story is if 5 fighter with good reputations tell you something is wrong, you should at least try to find out if something is wrong.

"Those are ready made excuses for a bad performance or a bad beating or both. "

oh you mean like :oh, i can't continue this fight that i'm winning on point 'cause i tore my rotator cuff. yes i know i've been using it all night but i can't seem to hit byrd with it,there must be SOMETHING wrong.

"Byrd complained after he was gifted in the Vitali fight because he knew he got his ass beat for nearly the entire fight."

wrong: byrd never compained about the abdominal cramps and diarra he had up until 3 hrs before the fight that made him weigh in the lightest he ever had as heavyweight, the comintators did though, while byrd was making his ring walk. in other words before the fight not after. also byrd wasn't "gifted the fight " he won it by making klitchko quit, either because klitchko kept swinging and missing and tore his shoulder or because the swinging and missing he was doing was no longer winning him rounds like in the early part of the fight cause byrd found his range and was no longer backing up but moving forward and raking vitali's body with sharp combo's .(i think he was tired from all that missing and was getting hit way more than he was used to and thought maybe he would get knocked out by a guy with the rep of being the lightest puncher in the div., but i get that from the look on his face the round before he quit.) one more thing if byrd was getting his ass wupped as you say, by one of the hardest punchers in the div. (a 6'6" 250 pound guy now) why was he not marked here a pic of him after the fight not one mark on it. it's not like vitali throw one bodyshot in the whole fight.

http://www.sport1.de/coremedia/pics/21/07/96/8x184x240x1,property=original.jpg


"The fact that you think Byrd could even be competitive with either Klit much less beat them speaks to your lack of boxing knowledge. Who are you supposed to be anyway? You like to name drop and talk about being there in person to see certain things. "


I dont see how, he already beat one of them. anyway my boxing knowledge is deep : i got part of it from my father (he was a pro and had me in the gym since i i was 13). part of it i got just from watching fights(i cant remember to many days of my life i haven't seen a fight either at the gym or on tv, my oldman always had a fight on, now i'm the same way, thats why i'm here to trade boxing vids ). part of it i got from exsperiance (i fought in 3 really good gyms and was a member of the forthood all army boxing team from 97-99. BTW I've been in germany the food never made me sick.).part of it is that i live in newark nj an hr. away from atlantic city, so if a big fight comes east guys come looking for sparring in ny, philly and newark where i met and sparred with a lotta guys it maybe unbelieveable to you but it's no big deal. if you hung out at my gym you'd meet alotta these guys to.

"Who are you supposed to be anyway?"

i'm mr.thraz., and its mr. not mrs. i'm a man not a woman. click on my young me avartar and you'll see me now, see that pic? thats how a man looks .
a woman looks compleatly different. good, now you can tell the difference between boys and girls.

"I think your just another Byrd nuthugger talkin out of your ars. "


thats funny, coming from a guy who sounds like he's suckin klitchko slong. any time some one says anything remotely negetive about him, here you come
givin the poster bad karma and cussing him out, damn give vitalis **** a min. to breath man.

"So let me get this straight. You think that Byrd(coming off of two ugly wins that most thought he lost) would defeat Vitali(the guy who gave him a beating with one arm and also the same guy that retired Lennox Lewis, took out Kirk Johnson and the hard punching Corrie Sanders, and the very same guy that is fighting better than at any point in his career while being recognized by most as the legitimate champ? lol lol lol lol lol STFU and crawl back into your hole!!"


he lost to byrd... he lost to byrd.... he lost to byrd.

http://info.onet.pl/_i/0403/byrd.jpg

"......The lesson in this story is not to eat that rich assed German food."

wrong :The lesson in this story is if 5 fighter with good reputations tell you something is wrong, you should at least try to find out if something is wrong.

"Those are ready made excuses for a bad performance or a bad beating or both. "

oh you mean like :oh, i can't continue this fight that i'm winning on point 'cause i tore my rotator cuff. yes i know i've been using it all night but i can't seem to hit byrd with it,there must be SOMETHING wrong.

"Byrd complained after he was gifted in the Vitali fight because he knew he got his ass beat for nearly the entire fight."

wrong: byrd never compained about the abdominal cramps and diarra he had up until 3 hrs before the fight that made him weigh in the lightest he ever had as heavyweight, the comintators did though, while byrd was making his ring walk. in other words before the fight not after. also byrd wasn't "gifted the fight " he won it by making klitchko quit, either because klitchko kept swinging and missing and tore his shoulder or because the swinging and missing he was doing was no longer winning him rounds like in the early part of the fight cause byrd found his range and was no longer backing up but moving forward and raking vitali's body with sharp combo's .(i think he was tired from all that missing and was getting hit way more than he was used to and thought maybe he would get knocked out by a guy with the rep of being the lightest puncher in the div., but i get that from the look on his face the round before he quit.) one more thing if byrd was getting his ass wupped as you say, by one of the hardest punchers in the div. (a 6'6" 250 pound guy now) why was he not marked here a pic of him after the fight not one mark on it. it's not like vitali throw one bodyshot in the whole fight.

http://www.sport1.de/coremedia/pics/21/07/96/8x184x240x1,property=original.jpg


"The fact that you think Byrd could even be competitive with either Klit much less beat them speaks to your lack of boxing knowledge. Who are you supposed to be anyway? You like to name drop and talk about being there in person to see certain things. "


I dont see how, he already beat one of them. anyway my boxing knowledge is deep : i got part of it from my father (he was a pro and had me in the gym since i i was 13). part of it i got just from watching fights(i cant remember to many days of my life i haven't seen a fight either at the gym or on tv, my oldman always had a fight on, now i'm the same way, thats why i'm here to trade boxing vids ). part of it i got from exsperiance (i fought in 3 really good gyms and was a member of the forthood all army boxing team from 97-99. BTW I've been in germany the food never made me sick.).part of it is that i live in newark nj an hr. away from atlantic city, so if a big fight comes east guys come looking for sparring in ny, philly and newark where i met and sparred with a lotta guys it maybe unbelieveable to you but it's no big deal. if you hung out at my gym you'd meet alotta these guys to.

"Who are you supposed to be anyway?"

i'm mr.thraz., and its mr. not mrs. i'm a man not a woman. click on my young me avartar and you'll see me now, see that pic? thats how a man looks .
a woman looks compleatly different. good, now you can tell the difference between boys and girls.

"I think your just another Byrd nuthugger talkin out of your ars. "


thats funny, coming from a guy who sounds like he's suckin klitchko slong. any time some one says anything remotely negetive about him, here you come
givin the poster bad karma and cussing him out, damn give vitalis **** a min. to breath man.

"So let me get this straight. You think that Byrd(coming off of two ugly wins that most thought he lost) would defeat Vitali(the guy who gave him a beating with one arm and also the same guy that retired Lennox Lewis, took out Kirk Johnson and the hard punching Corrie Sanders, and the very same guy that is fighting better than at any point in his career while being recognized by most as the legitimate champ? lol lol lol lol lol STFU and crawl back into your hole!!"


he lost to byrd... he lost to byrd.... he lost to byrd.

http://info.onet.pl/_i/0403/byrd.jpg


preach it.

Mrs. Thaz said: i'm mr.thraz., and its mr. not mrs. i'm a man not a woman. click on my young me avartar and you'll see me now, see that pic? thats how a man looks .
a woman looks compleatly different. good, now you can tell the difference between boys and girls.


Yeah I already saw your pic. The Mrs. thing was supposed to be a joke. I will make sure in the future that you know when I'm joking.

"......The lesson in this story is not to eat that rich assed German food."

wrong :The lesson in this story is if 5 fighter with good reputations tell you something is wrong, you should at least try to find out if something is wrong.

"Those are ready made excuses for a bad performance or a bad beating or both. "

oh you mean like :oh, i can't continue this fight that i'm winning on point 'cause i tore my rotator cuff. yes i know i've been using it all night but i can't seem to hit byrd with it,there must be SOMETHING wrong.

"Byrd complained after he was gifted in the Vitali fight because he knew he got his ass beat for nearly the entire fight."

wrong: byrd never compained about the abdominal cramps and diarra he had up until 3 hrs before the fight that made him weigh in the lightest he ever had as heavyweight, the comintators did though, while byrd was making his ring walk. in other words before the fight not after. also byrd wasn't "gifted the fight " he won it by making klitchko quit, either because klitchko kept swinging and missing and tore his shoulder or because the swinging and missing he was doing was no longer winning him rounds like in the early part of the fight cause byrd found his range and was no longer backing up but moving forward and raking vitali's body with sharp combo's .(i think he was tired from all that missing and was getting hit way more than he was used to and thought maybe he would get knocked out by a guy with the rep of being the lightest puncher in the div., but i get that from the look on his face the round before he quit.) one more thing if byrd was getting his ass wupped as you say, by one of the hardest punchers in the div. (a 6'6" 250 pound guy now) why was he not marked here a pic of him after the fight not one mark on it. it's not like vitali throw one bodyshot in the whole fight.

http://www.sport1.de/coremedia/pics/21/07/96/8x184x240x1,property=original.jpg


"The fact that you think Byrd could even be competitive with either Klit much less beat them speaks to your lack of boxing knowledge. Who are you supposed to be anyway? You like to name drop and talk about being there in person to see certain things. "


I dont see how, he already beat one of them. anyway my boxing knowledge is deep : i got part of it from my father (he was a pro and had me in the gym since i i was 13). part of it i got just from watching fights(i cant remember to many days of my life i haven't seen a fight either at the gym or on tv, my oldman always had a fight on, now i'm the same way, thats why i'm here to trade boxing vids ). part of it i got from exsperiance (i fought in 3 really good gyms and was a member of the forthood all army boxing team from 97-99. BTW I've been in germany the food never made me sick.).part of it is that i live in newark nj an hr. away from atlantic city, so if a big fight comes east guys come looking for sparring in ny, philly and newark where i met and sparred with a lotta guys it maybe unbelieveable to you but it's no big deal. if you hung out at my gym you'd meet alotta these guys to.

"Who are you supposed to be anyway?"

i'm mr.thraz., and its mr. not mrs. i'm a man not a woman. click on my young me avartar and you'll see me now, see that pic? thats how a man looks .
a woman looks compleatly different. good, now you can tell the difference between boys and girls.

"I think your just another Byrd nuthugger talkin out of your ars. "


thats funny, coming from a guy who sounds like he's suckin klitchko slong. any time some one says anything remotely negetive about him, here you come
givin the poster bad karma and cussing him out, damn give vitalis **** a min. to breath man.

"So let me get this straight. You think that Byrd(coming off of two ugly wins that most thought he lost) would defeat Vitali(the guy who gave him a beating with one arm and also the same guy that retired Lennox Lewis, took out Kirk Johnson and the hard punching Corrie Sanders, and the very same guy that is fighting better than at any point in his career while being recognized by most as the legitimate champ? lol lol lol lol lol STFU and crawl back into your hole!!"


he lost to byrd... he lost to byrd.... he lost to byrd.

http://info.onet.pl/_i/0403/byrd.jpg


.....Yeah Byrd sure was pretty in that pic. With his new hairdoo(tranvestite much?) he looks alot like some of the chicks you think are so hot. lol lol lol Hey, how about posting a pic of how Byrd looked after the Wlad fight? The only thing funnier than Byrds face was the look on his wifes face when he was getting killed in there.

.....Yeah Byrd sure was pretty in that pic. With his new hairdoo(tranvestite much?) he looks alot like some of the chicks you think are so hot. lol lol lol Hey, how about posting a pic of how Byrd looked after the Wlad fight? The only thing funnier than Byrds face was the look on his wifes face when he was getting killed in there.


your the one who can't tell the differance between a man and a woman.

oooohhh. thats a pathetic attempt to change the subject cause you picked an argument you cant win.

oh well suckers do that sometimes.

well... are you going to defend their promoter, universum. that's the only way to win this argument.

go ahead tell me universum doesn't cheat to insure the sucusses of their fighters.

go ahead defend a promoter.

your the one who can't tell the differance between a man and a woman.

oooohhh. thats a pathetic atempt to change the subject cause you picked an argument you cant win.

oh well suckers do that sometimes.



...Hey knumbnut, did you not read that I called you Mrs. to get a rise out of you? I can clearly see your a guy by your pic. Change what subject? We can keep going on any subject you want.

your the one who can't tell the differance between a man and a woman.

oooohhh. thats a pathetic atempt to change the subject cause you picked an argument you cant win.

oh well suckers do that sometimes.


.......Do you remember Byrds face after the Wlad fight?? Oh yeah, he had some mysterious substance on his gloves that made Byrd swell up. :D

it is well documeted that fighters going overseas to fight universum fighters comeback complaining they where sick the night of the fight.

in fact byrd said he had diarrea the night of the vitali klit fight.

ross purty said he was sick the night he fought wlad.

derrick harmon, richard hall and virgil hill all complianed of being sick the night they fought Dariusz Michalczewski which is the reason roy told Dariusz "we fight in the u.s. or not at all".
also montell griffin was the victim of a short stopage over there


now when i hear all of this i think "universum must be poising their fighters opponents", and after byrd complaines of being sick and still beating their guy, i can definatlly see them using something to swell byrds eyes, after all byrd never swelled when getting hit by big punchers before, cut? yes. never swelling.

why don't you ask for my opinion about that post before giving me bad karma. are you just a jerk? or did you just get angry at the thought of someone besmecheing the honor of your favorate fighter.


i guess it doesn't matter, i dont hate the klit brothers but i do think they cannot fight up to the level of hype and that their promoters where compensating for that so that they could have a impressive record when their fights got sold over here in the u.s. through hbo.

i dont blame the klits for that either they are probable unaware of the degree of how much their fights are fixed(i do think both of them must have seen how much smaller the ring was they fought byrd in was from the one agreed apone in their contract. it was 16ft instead of 24). the same way i dont blame byrd for not unifing the dividion or for not fighting toney, or jones. thats king shutting these fights out.

so i think byrd can beat both klits so what?

stop acting like a baby and research what im talking about and see if im wrong before insulting me and then insulting byrds religious stance when he's a guy that you've never met.

ok

:cool:


i said it before and i'll say it again

your the one who can't tell the differance between a man and a woman.

oooohhh. thats a pathetic atempt to change the subject cause you picked an argument you cant win.

oh well suckers do that sometimes.

well... are you going to defend their promoter universum that's the only way to win this argument.

go ahead tell me universum doesn't cheat to insure the sucusses of their fighters.

go ahead defend a promoter.



....Where did I say that I thought Universum was so great? I'm glad the Klits are getting away from them, but not because I think they poison all the guys who fight their guys. Show me proof of any of the things you mentioned that fighters said happened to them in Germany. I still say it could be the rich food, the water, any number of things that happen to people all the time when they travel abroad. Ever heard of a fighter getting sick when they went to Mexico? I think Byrd had the runs because he got gang banged and all lubed up in the back end.

....Where did I say that I thought Universum was so great? I'm glad the Klits are getting away from them, but not because I think they poison all the guys who fight their guys. Show me proof of any of the things you mentioned that fighters said happened to them in Germany. I still say it could be the rich food, the water, any number of things that happen to people all the time when they travel abroad. Ever heard of a fighter getting sick when they went to Mexico? I think Byrd had the runs because he got gang banged and all lubed up in the back end.


weak.

virgil hill is a future hall of famer whos rep. is unblimished

he's fought all around the world and knows not to drink the local water.

if he said he thinks they cheat, i'll believe him before i believe a promoter wouldn't.

I will give Byrd props for his boxing skills and the fact that he seems accesible to the common man(Mr. Thaz). JK I emailed Byrd one time on the advice of a friend of his who was on the aol heavyweight boxing boards. He answered my email in less than 24 hours and it included some tough questions about the possibility of him ever fighting the Klits again. I was pretty impressed with that. The difference between you and I and your love of Byrd is that I look at the Klits realistically. The jury is still out on Wlad and his future gets cloudier by the day. I admit that something is wrong there and I'm not sure what his future holds. Vitali is not just recognized by me but by many other people and most boxing experts as the best out there. Given Byrds last two performances(should be loses) how can you keep a straight face and think he is still the man? Come on now? So, give me your take on Byrd's last two fights and how he did. This should be interesting.

weak.

virgil hill is a future hall of famer whos rep. is unblimished

he's fought all around the world and knows not to drink the local water.

if he said he thinks they cheat, i'll believe him before i believe a promoter wouldn't.


....like I said, lets see the proof. Same thing goes for Wlad, no proof of wrong doing then it can't be taken as a fact. If evidence comes out to prove he was poisoned then we will know for sure. It was a strange collapse but maybe he was too hyped and something unusual happened to his system. He fought at that pace and higher many times before with no problems so something unusual went on in there. Who knows for sure?

weak.

virgil hill is a future hall of famer whos rep. is unblimished

he's fought all around the world and knows not to drink the local water.

if he said he thinks they cheat, i'll believe him before i believe a promoter wouldn't.



...Besides, when Hill fought Michalczewski he was overmatched to begin with. It wouldn't have mattered where or when that fight took place. Michalczewski was simply a better fighter at that point in time and Hill was on the downside of his career. If Dariusz had the runs instead of Hill I'm sure it would have been the same result.

I will give Byrd props for his boxing skills and the fact that he seems accesible to the common man(Mr. Thaz). JK I emailed Byrd one time on the advice of a friend of his who was on the aol heavyweight boxing boards. He answered my email in less than 24 hours and it included some tough questions about the possibility of him ever fighting the Klits again. I was pretty impressed with that. The difference between you and I and your love of Byrd is that I look at the Klits realistically. The jury is still out on Wlad and his future gets cloudier by the day. I admit that something is wrong there and I'm not sure what his future holds. Vitali is not just recognized by me but by many other people and most boxing experts as the best out there. Given Byrds last two performances(should be loses) how can you keep a straight face and think he is still the man? Come on now? So, give me your take on Byrd's last two fights and how he did. This should be interesting.


oquindo vs. byrd

that fight was byrds worst preformance but
oquindo lost.


oquindo was doing well rounds 3-7 doing to byrd what he does to most fighters, but then started imitating ruiz
by rushing and grabbing and hitting behind the head.

byrd wasn't busy but at least he was poppin the jab inbetween rushes and was trying to win, while all oquindo was trying to do was knock byrd out, the way he cheated and k.o.ed mo harris. grabbing and tackleing guys is no way to win rounds and rabbit punches dont either.

poor preformance by byrd but worse preformance from oquindo.

i had byrd up by two points but there where alotta ugly rounds and i could see someone scoreing it even or a point up for oquindo but it was a close ugly fight. and thats just not byrds fault that was oquindo.

now as for the score. i totally think king put the fix in no way was it that far ahead for byrd but i do think he won 116-114.

byrd vs. golata

what can i say, it was a close fight. both guys shined, those who like boxers think byrd won those who like punchers thought golata
won.

i think a draw was fair, both guys worked hard and gave us the best fight that night. didn't you enjoy it? i loved it. i hope golata wins so i can see it again in as a unification bout.

...Besides, when Hill fought Michalczewski he was overmatched to begin with. It wouldn't have mattered where or when that fight took place. Michalczewski was simply a better fighter at that point in time and Hill was on the downside of his career. If Dariusz had the runs instead of Hill I'm sure it would have been the same result.

yeah so over matched he went up in weight and snached a cruserweight title, while Michalczewski loses his title to Julio Cesar González:eek:

I will give Byrd props for his boxing skills and the fact that he seems accesible to the common man(Mr. Thaz). JK I emailed Byrd one time on the advice of a friend of his who was on the aol heavyweight boxing boards. He answered my email in less than 24 hours and it included some tough questions about the possibility of him ever fighting the Klits again. I was pretty impressed with that. The difference between you and I and your love of Byrd is that I look at the Klits realistically. The jury is still out on Wlad and his future gets cloudier by the day. I admit that something is wrong there and I'm not sure what his future holds. Vitali is not just recognized by me but by many other people and most boxing experts as the best out there. Given Byrds last two performances(should be loses) how can you keep a straight face and think he is still the man? Come on now? So, give me your take on Byrd's last two fights and how he did. This should be interesting.

thank you for getting my name right.
many people are being influanced by the markiting done by hbo i.m.o. and don't look at the klits obvious flaws: vitali is two robotic and stiff to be a great fighter(not to say he won't beat alotta today's heavyweights, he knows how to back up and draw a fighter in.) but he will never beat a fighter with good movement,and he dont fight on the inside well,he looks sloppy fighting on the inside but it maybe ok for him cause he's got a granite chin.

wlad: he's more athletic but he fights stupid. chin in the air and hands low, goes for any feint,and on top of that no chin.
i do think its possable he was poised i just ain't heard about it
yet. but its believeable

now i like byrd, cause he can box, not many heavys can do that right now. every time you talk to a casual fan about boxing they think its all about takin punches and k.o.ing the other guy cause they only watch heavyweights, but byrd brought boxing back to the div. and if thats looking at it unrealisticly the i'll be unrealistc we need byrd and toney to make these other guys start boxing again or the div. will turn into "who's got the biggest heavyeight with the most power " thats cool but it's only half the story and good boxer is a joy just to watch

....like I said, lets see the proof. Same thing goes for Wlad, no proof of wrong doing then it can't be taken as a fact. If evidence comes out to prove he was poisoned then we will know for sure. It was a strange collapse but maybe he was too hyped and something unusual happened to his system. He fought at that pace and higher many times before with no problems so something unusual went on in there. Who knows for sure?

why do you need proof? :confused: do you need proof that don king is fixing fights for his fighters ? did you need proof that king fixed dlh/trinadad? no! you know cause it makes since. same thing here. 5 guys with good rep say hey there cheating then you know the promoter with the bad rep is cheating.

they are getting away from universum? tell me more? :)

I think Byrd lost his last two fights,this time he is going to lose his title.

I think Byrd lost his last two fights,this time he is going to lose his title.
i think he'll win i've seen jm and byrd sparr, he dont hold a candle to byrd.

they are getting away from universum? tell me more? :)



....They are basically promoting themselves right now and have terminated the contract with Universum. It's still in litigation at the moment. Universum won the first round and the Klits won the second. It's all based on Universum trying to extend the contract based on Wlad and Vit being injured for a period of the contract. According to the Klits their obligation to the curent Universum contract is over with.

thank u for telling me this pbds. thank u thank u thanku.

do you know what this means .


it means unification is just around the corner.

yeah so over matched he went up in weight and snached a cruserweight title, while Michalczewski loses his title to Julio Cesar González


......When Dariusz fought Hill it was 1997 when he fought Gonzalez it was 2003. Thats 6 years and alot of miles on Dariusz. You make it sound like it all happened in the span of like 3 months. Dariusz is not the same fighter now that he was in 1997. That was my point and I think you missed it.

yeah so over matched he went up in weight and snached a cruserweight title, while Michalczewski loses his title to Julio Cesar González


......When Dariusz fought Hill it was 1997 when he fought Gonzalez it was 2003. Thats 6 years and alot of miles on Dariusz. You make it sound like it all happened in the span of like 3 months. Dariusz is not the same fighter now that he was in 1997. That was my point and I think you missed it.
i did, but hill was also older

thank u for telling me this pbds. thank u thank u thanku.

do you know what this means .


it means unification is just around the corner.



...Not as long as King controls the other three belts. IMO he will protect his other three guys and keep milking his cash cow. Vitali is not about to give King options for him being allowed to unify the belts. I don't think the Universum thing will mean much as far as unification goes. I hope I'm wrong because I would love to see Vitali unify the belts starting with the IBF. :D

i did, but hill was also older



.... alright, I hear ya.

...Not as long as King controls the other three belts. IMO he will protect his other three guys and keep milking his cash cow. Vitali is not about to give King options for him being allowed to unify the belts. I don't think the Universum thing will mean much as far as unification goes. I hope I'm wrong because I would love to see Vitali unify the belts starting with the IBF. :D
lol lol lol :D

he lost to byrd... he lost to byrd.... he lost to byrd.

http://info.onet.pl/_i/0403/byrd.jpg

Isn't losing to this guy much worse?

http://www.bbv-net.de/news/sport/2001-0319/fotos/wladimir_klitschko.jpg

As much as i dont like Byrd i can appriciate his skill and effort. :) Byrd definitely has an edge in this fight especially with Don King around. Man,, if byrd had a little more power...
Too bad he does not. :(

As much as i dont like Byrd i can appriciate his skill and effort. :) Byrd definitely has an edge in this fight especially with Don King around. Man,, if byrd had a little more power...
Too bad he does not. :(

I respect your opinion, its nice to see a poster respect the skills of a fighter even though you don't like that fighter.

I feel the same way, I still think a 6'2 or 6'3 fighter with decent handspeed and some power could clean out the division. I do respect Byrd's attributes and wish nore people appreciated them. It's called boxing for a reason, that's why they have trading licks lol

I am not a Byrd fan, but if he could overcome Mccline's reach and height advantage, I would be really impressed, not that I count for **** lol

I feel the same way, I still think a 6'2 or 6'3 fighter with decent handspeed and some power could clean out the division. I do respect Byrd's attributes and wish nore people appreciated them. It's called boxing for a reason, that's why they have trading licks lol

Exactly!Good call hollister