1897 rules--tiny gloves, no anti-clinching rules, "fight to the finish".

Could Fitz use his superior style and tiny gloves to land the "one big punch" before Foreman could, or were George's abilities too powerful for even Fitz with his own rules to overcome?

Total mismatch. Bob Fitzimmons weighed about 170 soaking wet. George would punch him in his chest and make his shoulders touch. Wouldn't last 2 minutes.

Fitz was a middleweight who moved up, in tiny gloves George would kill him.

Foreman would KO him.

Total mismatch. Bob Fitzimmons weighed about 170 soaking wet. George would punch him in his chest and make his shoulders touch. Wouldn't last 2 minutes.

I wish I had been clever enough to say that.
If this fight somehow got santioned, with both in their prime, it may be the nail that would finally abolish boxing, i.e., Fitzsimmons may actually be a ring casualty. Foreman lifted Frazier and Norton off the ground....

Total mismatch. Bob Fitzimmons weighed about 170 soaking wet. George would punch him in his chest and make his shoulders touch. Wouldn't last 2 minutes.

:lol1:........

I don't consider Foreman any stronger than Jeffries, and Fitz gave him a hell of a fight before he finally broke his hands on Jeffrie's granite skull. I would give Fitz a chance of pulling off an upset. He hit hard enough to hurt Foreman, or any man for that matter, IMO, but it would be difficult to cope with Foreman's reach and aggression.

I'll go with Foreman but I can easily see him getting countered with those telegraphed punches and finding himself on his ass. A great hitter is a great hitter. Guys like Fitz and Langford proved they could hurt heavyweights over 200 lbs and you have to respect their punch as being strong even by heavyweight standards. Fitz was also very clever and a sharp, one punch knockout guy who could take you out with one to the head or body. I don't know how his stlye would deal with Foreman's "wrecking ball on two feet" assault, but I can guarantee you that if he lands his best punch of Foreman, Big George would be in trouble.

I don't consider Foreman any stronger than Jeffries.

April Fools aint for another month, stop playin around!

April Fools aint for another month, stop playin around!

I think he's serious, even though I don't exactly agree with him.

jimmy young vs jess willard is the fight i want to see, or jimmy vs dempsey. That jimmy young from the 70's was indeed a spoiler, he was awesome. made ali look like crap, sent foreman into a 10 year retirement, beat lyle twice.

jimmy young vs jess willard is the fight i want to see, or jimmy vs dempsey. That jimmy young from the 70's was indeed a spoiler, he was awesome. made ali look like crap, sent foreman into a 10 year retirement, beat lyle twice.

Young probably would beat Jess Willard, but Dempsey would proabaly swarm all over and be too much for Young.

I'll take Jimmy Young to decision Willard, assuming we're talking 15 rounds and big 1970's gloves. 20, 30 rounds and tiny gloves, who knows.

As for Jimmy vs. Dempsey, I'll go with Dempsey via decision or late knockout. Tommy Gibbon's defensive expertise did not help him do much more than survive against Dempsey's offensive skill and body attack. I do think Young would give Dempsey a better fight than Gibbons, but Young did not have the power to really trouble Dempsey more than shaking him up perhaps if he catches him with a good counter, and hurting Dempsey usually just meant you were about to get your teeth knocked out yourself.

Young was a fine contender, and in boxing anything can happen, but I don't see him beating Dempsey.

Unfortunately, Fitzsimmons would not have the size to hang with Foreman long enough. If he was a much bigger man naturally, i could see him countering Foreman and outboxing him. I am impressed by Foreman's strength everytime i watch his fights, and he would easily push Bob back and gain control of the fight.

I have seen a a great deal of footage from both dempsey and jack johnson. I'm sorry, but dempsey is better and its the truth. I think the word overrated, applies to jack johnson for sure.

If he fought lewis, lennox would stiff arm his face, keep the reach and just pound his chin until he gets blasted. I hat to say it butterfly, but jack johnson aint all that.

I don't consider Foreman any stronger than Jeffries, and Fitz gave him a hell of a fight before he finally broke his hands on Jeffrie's granite skull. I would give Fitz a chance of pulling off an upset. He hit hard enough to hurt Foreman, or any man for that matter, IMO, but it would be difficult to cope with Foreman's reach and aggression.

I'll go with Foreman but I can easily see him getting countered with those telegraphed punches and finding himself on his ass. A great hitter is a great hitter. Guys like Fitz and Langford proved they could hurt heavyweights over 200 lbs and you have to respect their punch as being strong even by heavyweight standards. Fitz was also very clever and a sharp, one punch knockout guy who could take you out with one to the head or body. I don't know how his stlye would deal with Foreman's "wrecking ball on two feet" assault, but I can guarantee you that if he lands his best punch of Foreman, Big George would be in trouble.

Kid Achilles,
Your post is well thought out and written nicely, but I can't see how anyone before Joe Louis would have even a remote chance against Foreman. He is just too big with too much firepower. And don't forget, his chin survived some big hitters. Lack of stamina did him in more than punches. Maybe I disrespect the real old timers too much, but unless they survived late, I can't fathom them having any shot.

I have seen a a great deal of footage from both dempsey and jack johnson. I'm sorry, but dempsey is better and its the truth. I think the word overrated, applies to jack johnson for sure.

If he fought lewis, lennox would stiff arm his face, keep the reach and just pound his chin until he gets blasted. I hat to say it butterfly, but jack johnson aint all that.

Notice how he says Dempsey is better, but can't explain why.

jack never does anything that impresses me. Wow he grapples welterweights and middleweights and smiles on camera. He fights a skilless goon like willard and actually losses to him. A 37 year old holmes wouldnt lose to him. Not to mention that he cant even throw combos. Jack Johnson is overrated, he was black and he was proud, but he aint top 10.:owned:

jack never does anything that impresses me. Wow he grapples welterweights and middleweights and smiles on camera. He fights a skilless goon like willard and actually losses to him. A 37 year old holmes wouldnt lose to him. Not to mention that he cant even throw combos. Jack Johnson is overrated, he was black and he was proud, but he aint top 10.:owned:

Well Larry Holmes never had to fight 45 round fights. If the fight was 15 rounds Johnson would have won every round.

And did you say that Johnson didn't throw combos?:owned:

jack never does anything that impresses me. Wow he grapples welterweights and middleweights and smiles on camera. He fights a skilless goon like willard and actually losses to him. A 37 year old holmes wouldnt lose to him. Not to mention that he cant even throw combos. Jack Johnson is overrated, he was black and he was proud, but he aint top 10.:owned:

And I'm sure that in addition to the 45 rounds, if Holmes was under trained, over confident and overweight, he would have gotten knocked out, too.

April Fools aint for another month, stop playin around!i hope he aint serious lol

i hope he aint serious lol


ditto :boxing:

he is serious...lol but fitz would get the rest of his horseshoe shaped hair knocked off him in a fight with foreman, ko for foreman in the first minute

didnt jack johnson get nocked out by a 140 pounder, i dont care how much he weighed back then. the fact is that at heavyweight, johnson has no chin.

didnt jack johnson get nocked out by a 140 pounder, i dont care how much he weighed back then. the fact is that at heavyweight, johnson has no chin.

Name this so-called "140lb" man that knocked Johnson out. It doesn't exist.

the only person i know that knocked out jack johnson was jess willard and he was above 200

On second though, one look at this guy and you could tell he would probably anhilate George. Just please overlook the knobby kneecaps, 6 inch biceps and bird chest.

http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/7961/imageff2.jpg

George may have had the most devastating punch in heavyweight history but it would hardly be enough to phase this superior specimen.

http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/7961/imageff2.jpg



How about vs either one of these guys.

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t305/jesster64/foreman.jpg

How about vs either one of these guys.

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t305/jesster64/foreman.jpg

That pic real? If so thats legendary...

I don't consider Foreman any stronger than Jeffries...

I'm not sure why so many are amused by this, as I agree with Kid, I don't think its out of the question at least.
Foreman was very strong but Ali was able to handle him alright in the clinches.
Jeffries was a beast of a man, and here is just one example I can give, from http://coxscorner.tripod.com/jeffries.html:

Gilbert Odd, a historian and boxing book author wrote, "James J. Jeffries was the strongest of all the heavyweight champions" (1974, 18). According to those in Jeffries training camp, Jeff, "a lover of hunting, once killed a large deer and carried it on his shoulders nine miles to camp without stopping to rest. Friends who accompanied him had difficulty keeping up with him on the jaunt home" (Tracy Callis).

That pic real? If so thats legendary...My guess is that is a real photo and looks like it was taken with a personal camera as opposed to a professional photographer.

It's no secret that Foreman and Liston trained and sparred together early in Foreman's career. Dick Saddler who trained Foreman also I believe trained Liston at the tail end of his career.

My guess is that picture was taken in a boxing gym in a Houston Texas judging by the number of Dave Zyglewicz (Houston Texas fighter) posters on the wall and was likely taken when Liston was training for the Sonny Moore fight which was in Houston Texas September 23, 1969.

Foreman also looks about the right age for that time frame and is younger and leaner looking than in the early-mid 70's.

I'm not sure why so many are amused by this, as I agree with Kid, I don't think its out of the question at least.
Foreman was very strong but Ali was able to handle him alright in the clinches.
Jeffries was a beast of a man, and here is just one example I can give, from http://coxscorner.tripod.com/jeffries.html:

Gilbert Odd, a historian and boxing book author wrote, "James J. Jeffries was the strongest of all the heavyweight champions" (1974, 18). According to those in Jeffries training camp, Jeff, "a lover of hunting, once killed a large deer and carried it on his shoulders nine miles to camp without stopping to rest. Friends who accompanied him had difficulty keeping up with him on the jaunt home" (Tracy Callis).

No. Its absolutely ridiculous to think Jim Jeffries was anywhere near as strong or durable as George Foreman. Lets not forget how the "legend' of old boxers get blown out of proportion through time. That deer carrying story sounds like some nonsense Bert Sugar would spew. Jeffries was strong for back then when heavyweights weighed 170 pounds.

George Foreman is a ferocious physical specimen with few peers. He was not a normal human. He lifted people off the ground with punches, he put craters in heavybags. He knocked full grown heavyweights out with wide looping arm punches. He was a 6 foot 3, 220 pound lean mean wrecking machine in his prime of the greatest era of heavyweights.

Jim Jeffries would get ****in destroyed by George. Bludgeoned...beat down. He wouldn't even put up half a battle. The men Foreman knocked out in the first round would have KOed Jim Jeffries with their eyes closed. Lets be real folks.

The men Foreman knocked out in the first round would have KOed Jim Jeffries with their eyes closed.

I think that might be pushing it a little.:ugh:

jack Johnson got knocked out by the most talentless linear heavyweight champ of all times, how ****in sad is that. Yes, he has lost to a natural 140 pounder too.

No. Its absolutely ridiculous to think Jim Jeffries was anywhere near as strong or durable as George Foreman. Lets not forget how the "legend' of old boxers get blown out of proportion through time. That deer carrying story sounds like some nonsense Bert Sugar would spew. Jeffries was strong for back then when heavyweights weighed 170 pounds.

George Foreman is a ferocious physical specimen with few peers. He was not a normal human. He lifted people off the ground with punches, he put craters in heavybags. He knocked full grown heavyweights out with wide looping arm punches. He was a 6 foot 3, 220 pound lean mean wrecking machine in his prime of the greatest era of heavyweights.

Jim Jeffries would get ****in destroyed by George. Bludgeoned...beat down. He wouldn't even put up half a battle. The men Foreman knocked out in the first round would have KOed Jim Jeffries with their eyes closed. Lets be real folks.

I think you need to get over Foreman's invincibility and stop overrating him. You're making a fool out of yourself. Foreman WAS a normal human, he DID NOT lift people off the ground with punches, he DID NOT knock guys out with wide looping arm punches.
And it's not impossible for Jeffries to have been able to carry a deer like that. After all, very strong men can do that, and Jeffries was told to be extremely strong.

I don't know how heavy the deer was that Jeffries carried, but I do know how heavy a Jeep is and Foreman used to harness one to his torso and pull it while running laps around his Texas farm when training for a fight.

I think you need to get over Foreman's invincibility and stop overrating him. You're making a fool out of yourself. Foreman WAS a normal human, he DID NOT lift people off the ground with punches, he DID NOT knock guys out with wide looping arm punches.
And it's not impossible for Jeffries to have been able to carry a deer like that. After all, very strong men can do that, and Jeffries was told to be extremely strong.

Whos making a fool of himself? Me, or you who actually thinks some 190 pound hick with 20 fights could have hung with the most destructive heavyweight force of our era? Youre the fool...have u ever seen young Foreman fight? George was not normal...his strength and heavy handeness surpassed that of even a powerful heavyweight. He tore heavybags open. Truth be told that he used to chop down trees in a few swings. Nobodys calling him invincible, but Jim Jeffries just couldnt hang. Plain and simple. Tell me one other heavyweight who was powerful enough to knock people out with arm punches...no technique, no body behind it, just arms flailing and KOs to follow. Thats a testament to the kind of thud that his fists had.

I am not overrating his strength at all. Who are u telling that he didnt lift people off the ground with his punches?? I guess you missed the Frazier fight...if u think that was a fluke then go try and catch him vs Stanford Harris where he sent this grown ****in man AIRBORN from a right hand. Foreman was certainly beatable but he is widely credited with having the most powerful heavyweight punch along with Ernie Shavers. What is Jeffries accredited with? Carrying a lamb 2 miles on his back? Wheres the evidence of Jeffries super trength other than anecdotes and word of mouth...



I think that might be pushing it a little.:ugh:
Was exaggerating ofcourse, but I stand by the fact that Jeffries was not in the league of the modern heavyweight boxer.

Whos making a fool of himself? Me, or you who actually thinks some 190 pound hick with 20 fights could have hung with the most destructive heavyweight force of our era? Youre the fool...have u ever seen young Foreman fight? George was not normal...his strength and heavy handeness surpassed that of even a powerful heavyweight. He tore heavybags open. Truth be told that he used to chop down trees in a few swings. Nobodys calling him invincible, but Jim Jeffries just couldnt hang. Plain and simple. Tell me one other heavyweight who was powerful enough to knock people out with arm punches...no technique, no body behind it, just arms flailing and KOs to follow. Thats a testament to the kind of thud that his fists had.

I am not overrating his strength at all. Who are u telling that he didnt lift people off the ground with his punches?? I guess you missed the Frazier fight...if u think that was a fluke then go try and catch him vs Stanford Harris where he sent this grown ****in man AIRBORN from a right hand. Foreman was certainly beatable but he is widely credited with having the most powerful heavyweight punch along with Ernie Shavers. What is Jeffries accredited with? Carrying a lamb 2 miles on his back? Wheres the evidence of Jeffries super trength other than anecdotes and word of mouth...




Was exaggerating ofcourse, but I stand by the fact that Jeffries was not in the league of the modern heavyweight boxer.

You are making a fool out of yourself just now by arguing about things i didn't even mention in my post. I was responding to your blind view on the overrated Foreman. I already said Foreman would easily dismantel the much smaller Fitzsimmons and said nothing about jeffries beating him.
Again, if you have some dna proof of George Foreman being an alien out of space get back at me, till then, Foreman is a normal human like the rest of us! He was gifted with physical abilities that were greater than usual, yes. But you're making him out to be some superman way above the rest. Giving me good laughs about Big George ripping bags open and sending opponents flying 10 feet above the ring. You exaggerated just about everything about him.
It's impossible to lift an opponent off the ground with a punch. Frazier didn't have any legs when that last uppercut hit him, he couldn't support his weight on his knee, wich is what he was trying to do, and thats why he jumped up like that.. Ask people here and everybody will agree with that.
Foreman did put some weight into his punches. Either way, if you have power, you can use it wether you throw ''arm punches'' or put technique into it. Foreman didn't do the last, wich is why he was a sloppy puncher. Him being a powerfull arm puncher is not that special.
Was exaggerating ofcourse

Riiiiight. Whatever you say scrappy.

P4P fitzsimmons would win and IMO wouldn't have that difficult-a-time. but with a 50lbs weight advantage foreman would destroy him!

You are making a fool out of yourself just now by arguing about things i didn't even mention in my post. I was responding to your blind view on the overrated Foreman. I already said Foreman would easily dismantel the much smaller Fitzsimmons and said nothing about jeffries beating him.
Again, if you have some dna proof of George Foreman being an alien out of space get back at me, till then, Foreman is a normal human like the rest of us! He was gifted with physical abilities that were greater than usual, yes. But you're making him out to be some superman way above the rest. Giving me good laughs about Big George ripping bags open and sending opponents flying 10 feet above the ring. You exaggerated just about everything about him.
It's impossible to lift an opponent off the ground with a punch. Frazier didn't have any legs when that last uppercut hit him, he couldn't support his weight on his knee, wich is what he was trying to do, and thats why he jumped up like that.. Ask people here and everybody will agree with that.
Foreman did put some weight into his punches. Either way, if you have power, you can use it wether you throw ''arm punches'' or put technique into it. Foreman didn't do the last, wich is why he was a sloppy puncher. Him being a powerfull arm puncher is not that special.


Riiiiight. Whatever you say scrappy.
You are saying Jeffriens strength was comparable to Foreman's. It wasnt. Plain and simple. Get your head out of your ass and realize I am not calling Foreman super human. Can u read? I am calling him extremely powerful. Was he not? Much stronger than the average man, stronger than the average heavyweight.

Its impossible to lift an opponent off the ground with a punch? I saw Foreman do it with my own yes, how the **** u gonna tell me?

If youve ever boxed then you would know that knocking people OUT with arm punches is a testament to incredible power. Throwing long arm punches with no body behind it sacrifices most of a persons punching power. Plain and simple.

Theres video evidence to back up everything I am saying. I didnt make this **** up out of thin air. You cant back up **** about Jeffries. He was considered strong for his time, fought a bunch of farm hands and cowboys, then got beat by Jack Johnson and never fought again. He was not great. Im not even a fan of George, but he is what he is. A devastating puncher and incredibly strong athlete.

You are saying Jeffriens strength was comparable to Foreman's. It wasnt. Plain and simple. Get your head out of your ass and realize I am not calling Foreman super human. Can u read? I am calling him extremely powerful. Was he not? Much stronger than the average man, stronger than the average heavyweight.


You seem to have a habbit of putting words into people's mouth dont you? I didn't compare Jeffries strength to Foreman's. I only made a comment about Jeffries' story, that it's possible. You don't know anything about the man anyway, i doubt you even know what he looks like.

I am calling him extremely powerful. Was he not? Much stronger than the average man, stronger than the average heavyweight.

I agree. I said it a few posts ago. Ditto!!! You think he's a superman because you exaggerated everything about him. You even admitted it yourself.
Was exaggerating ofcource

And if there is video evidence, why won't you post it? I wanna see those guys getting lifted by punches.

And if there is video evidence, why won't you post it? I wanna see those guys getting lifted by punches.

I have some early fights of his on my computer that would **** u up fast, but I guess just go watch his annihilation of Ken Norton on Youtube...and grow up a little would ya when I say lifted off their feet I'm not talking "10 feet above the ring".

I'm pissed off rotoscope has been banned from youtube. Thats half of all the fights gone...

I have some early fights of his on my computer that would **** u up fast, but I guess just go watch his annihilation of Ken Norton on Youtube...and grow up a little would ya when I say lifted off their feet I'm not talking "10 feet above the ring".

I know Foreman's fights trust me. He doesn't lift them off their feet with his punches, you can't even do that that to a 200+lb object with a sledgehammer. They're acclaimations of dazed, and not having any legs. Punches can do strange things to a fighter.

I know Foreman's fights trust me. He doesn't lift them off their feet with his punches, you can't even do that that to a 200+lb object with a sledgehammer. They're acclaimations of dazed, and not having any legs. Punches can do strange things to a fighter.

Youre wrong man...I'm not talking about dazed and no legs. Foreman sent Norton ****in flying from power. I'm talking about FORCE. Force enough to make a person's feet lift off of the canvas from the impact of the punch. People don't react like Bluto to a Popeye spinached-up punch and go hurling over the ocean. So fix your vision for a second. What u are failing to realize is that its not just brute human stength that can potentially lift someone off their feet. its also a person's bodily REACTION to the force that can cause shock and semi-seizure of the legs. I've seen it. Its happened. Rare, but has happened. End of story.

Maybe you must have missed Lennox Lewis vs Francois Botha...he lifted that fat South African off his feet too.

But this debate his taken a left turn, I could care less about debating if someones feet left the canvas from a Foreman punch. Its stupid.

Bottom line, theres no heavyweight of yesteryear that George Foreman could not potentially knock out. Most of the throwback fighters had little chance if any against young George. Fact. Foreman could be outboxed but heavyweights boxing skills were too crude back then...and theres few special fighters like Muhammad Ali that could withstand that kind of power.

Jeffries was nowhere near 190 pounds. He fought around 215-220 in his prime and that was after he intentionally lost weight because he liked the stamina and felt that he didn't lose much punching power.
I remember seeing a picture of Jeffries holding a deer on his back (although I thought it was a boar). He was a very strong, athletlic human being. To think its out of the question for him to be stronger or of equal strength to Foreman is not right.
This isn't even about a Jeffries-Foreman fight, but it was implied that Jeffries opponents were bums when stated 'bunch of farm hands and cowboys'. Jeffries took flush shots from Fitzsimmons and ended up knocking him out twice.
Fitzsimmons vs Foreman; I think it would go to Foreman. But I can see the upset as very possible.

George forman by early ko.

Jeffries was nowhere near 190 pounds. He fought around 215-220 in his prime and that was after he intentionally lost weight because he liked the stamina and felt that he didn't lose much punching power.
I remember seeing a picture of Jeffries holding a deer on his back (although I thought it was a boar). He was a very strong, athletlic human being. To think its out of the question for him to be stronger or of equal strength to Foreman is not right.
This isn't even about a Jeffries-Foreman fight, but it was implied that Jeffries opponents were bums when stated 'bunch of farm hands and cowboys'. Jeffries took flush shots from Fitzsimmons and ended up knocking him out twice.
Fitzsimmons vs Foreman; I think it would go to Foreman. But I can see the upset as very possible.

Bro I just don't see any situation where Jeffries wins. Calling him strong and athletic is relative and speculative. I'm sure he may have been but theres more legend and less evidence to support the great strength of his.

I rarely get in to debates about real old school against new school because I think as sports advance, so do the athletes. Send Ladanian back to 1940 NFL and he scores 10 touchdowns a game. Foreman in 1920 is a man playing with boys.

April Fools aint for another month, stop playin around!

i dont think he is joking..................He usedto be my favorite poster but i think he as been doing alot of crack latley.

jack Johnson got knocked out by the most talentless linear heavyweight champ of all times, how ****in sad is that. Yes, he has lost to a natural 140 pounder too.

Unless you give me documented proof that a 140lb. man knocked out Jack Johnson, then your argument holds no water.

Ali lost to Leon Spinks. Tyson got ko'd by Danny Williams. Lewis was clocked cold by McCall and Rahman. What's your point? They're called upsets, they do happen once in a while.

[QUOTE=Scrappy Diggs;2188972] People don't react like Bluto to a Popeye spinached-up punch and go hurling over the ocean. What u are failing to realize is that its not just brute human stength that can potentially lift someone off their feet. its also a person's bodily REACTION to the force that can cause shock and semi-seizure of the legs. I've seen it.

Scrappy Diggs,
I've only been here a month, but you are BY FAR the most entertaining and super fuuniest writer I ever read. Not just on some forum either. Anywhere.
You have a God given talent for writing funny stuff. What's more, you also KNOW your stuff.
When I read the now famous "he would punch him in the chest and his shoulders would touch", my cheeks hurt from laughing so hard. But I almost passed out laughing with the "Popeye spinached up punch" gem. Totally priceless!!!
Keep up the great work!

[QUOTE=Scrappy Diggs;2188972] People don't react like Bluto to a Popeye spinached-up punch and go hurling over the ocean. What u are failing to realize is that its not just brute human stength that can potentially lift someone off their feet. its also a person's bodily REACTION to the force that can cause shock and semi-seizure of the legs. I've seen it.

Scrappy Diggs,
I've only been here a month, but you are BY FAR the most entertaining and super fuuniest writer I ever read. Not just on some forum either. Anywhere.
You have a God given talent for writing funny stuff. What's more, you also KNOW your stuff.
When I read the now famous "he would punch him in the chest and his shoulders would touch", my cheeks hurt from laughing so hard. But I almost passed out laughing with the "Popeye spinached up punch" gem. Totally priceless!!!
Keep up the great work!

Haha, thanks bro. :biggthump

[QUOTE=Terry A;2189216]

Haha, thanks bro. :biggthump

Hey i dont't complety agree with what you said. foreman didn't actually lift anyone off the floor with a punch people jumped from the power of his punches and got thrown around the ring by them. his body punches looked akin to being hit round the ribs with a padded sledge hammer!

foreman did put his body inot alot of his punches he just did it in a different way, a sloppy way perhaps but undoubtably effective!

Lastly, Yaman for some reason has never liked foreman. i couldn't tell you the reason for his bias and chances are he couldn't either!


today he has streched his plausibility by comparing peters power to foremans!!!!

Many fighters have lifted up their opponents with a punch, not just Foreman. I saw Louis do it, Tyson, Frazier, and others.

Lastly, Yaman for some reason has never liked foreman. i couldn't tell you the reason for his bias and chances are he couldn't either!


today he has streched his plausibility by comparing peters power to foremans!!!!

You don't have to read it, if you can't handle it duddy :fing02: I don't see any bias in my posts regarding Foreman. He's simply overrated and there has to be somebody bringing in the truth. Every single fighter has people like me. Foreman didn't seem to have any, did you notice?

As for lifting a guy with a punch, it's still interesting and i wanna see some more opinions about this.

You don't have to read it, if you can't handle it duddy :fing02: I don't see any bias in my posts regarding Foreman. He's simply overrated and there has to be somebody bringing in the truth. Every single fighter has people like me. Foreman didn't seem to have any, did you notice?

As for lifting a guy with a punch, it's still interesting and i wanna see some more opinions about this.

well of course you wouldn't see YOUR bias.

what surprises me is that you otherwise seem to have a very good knowledge of boxing.
i agree foreman is overrated by alot of people who have only seen a few of his early fights but the same is also true of tyson!

Many fighters have lifted up their opponents with a punch, not just Foreman. I saw Louis do it, Tyson, Frazier, and others.

Thank you.

Its happened man. Foreman has done it. It doesn't look like a Harduken punch but its still feet being lifted off the canvas from impact.

Here is a clear ****in cut example. In super slow motion for the seeing impaired.
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Or in full speed for the slow motion impaired

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This is Joe Louis vs. Tony Galento. Watch in the secong round, where Joe throws an overhand right, and then a left uppercut, and Galento goes up in the air.

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On second though, one look at this guy and you could tell he would probably anhilate George. Just please overlook the knobby kneecaps, 6 inch biceps and bird chest.

http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/7961/imageff2.jpg

George may have had the most devastating punch in heavyweight history but it would hardly be enough to phase this superior specimen.

THE Greatest post i have EVER read!!!!
:rofl:HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA:rofl:
And I agree Foreman woulda MANGLED ALL those old timers Johnson, Corbett, Jefferies the lot of them! :boxing:

This is Joe Louis vs. Tony Galento. Watch in the secong round, where Joe throws an overhand right, and then a left uppercut, and Galento goes up in the air.

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Hell yea, Galento definitely caught some air there.

Whats the exact time it happens dog...

About 3:30

About 3:30

Or actually on BS, 7:00 to go.

It's the reaction of the fighter that makes the jump, not the punch itself.

Then answer this, Why do granite chinned fighters never bounce like that?
Because they don't have a severe reaction to a punch, but they do take a punch that is just as hard. It's all in the reaction.

It's the reaction of the fighter that makes the jump, not the punch itself.

Then answer this, Why do granite chinned fighters never bounce like that?
Because they don't have a severe reaction to a punch, but they do take a punch that is just as hard. It's all in the reaction.

That makes a whole lot of sense. So I guess what caused the severe reaction in the fighter was the glare in the ceiling lights...The punch had nothing to do with it. :fing02:

It's the reaction of the fighter that makes the jump, not the punch itself.

Then answer this, Why do granite chinned fighters never bounce like that?
Because they don't have a severe reaction to a punch, but they do take a punch that is just as hard. It's all in the reaction.

Galento did have a granite chin, though.

Galento did have a granite chin, though.

Exactly. As did Botha and Frazier.

A hard punch can make a head snap back, punch the side of the face and the guy can be all over the ring. But you still don't get what im aiming at, off their feet over 100 kilograms will jump because of a punch? Like i said, some have that reaction to a punch, but when you look at a big slugfests with iron chinned warriors, you don't see them taking a flight home when an uppercut lands huh. Yall been watching too many Rocky movies where they do jump.

Exactly. As did Botha and Frazier.

Botha had a granite chin?? This is your best one yet:haha: Better than

The men Foreman knocked out in the first round would have KOed Jim Jeffries with their eyes closed. Lets be real folks.

Maybe you were exaggerating again.

Botha had a granite chin?? This is your best one yet:haha: Better than

You know as much about boxing as I know about Pakistani synchronized swimming.

A hard punch can make a head snap back, punch the side of the face and the guy can be all over the ring. But you still don't get what im aiming at, off their feet over 100 kilograms will jump because of a punch? Like i said, some have that reaction to a punch, but when you look at a big slugfests with iron chinned warriors, you don't see them taking a flight home when an uppercut lands huh. Yall been watching too many Rocky movies where they do jump.

Thats it. On that note I should recede from this debate. I am confidently concluding that your cranium is filled with sponge.

A hard punch can make a head snap back, punch the side of the face and the guy can be all over the ring. But you still don't get what im aiming at, off their feet over 100 kilograms will jump because of a punch? Like i said, some have that reaction to a punch, but when you look at a big slugfests with iron chinned warriors, you don't see them taking a flight home when an uppercut lands huh. Yall been watching too many Rocky movies where they do jump.

actually it is possible. apparently when marcianos punch was measured it had the same power required to spot lift 1000 pounds 1 foot into the air. however the human body is a far more flezible object. IMO most of the power from an uppercut like this will go into shooting the head back and arching the back rather than throwing them into the air. it is also highly unlikely that all of the power within a punch will be transfered to the target.

Thats it. On that note I should recede from this debate. I am confidently concluding that your cranium is filled with sponge.

Like Buttfly would say: Ofcource, because you just got :owned:
Seriously you had no chance from the start. have a nice day.

Like Buttfly would say: Ofcource, because you just got :owned:
Seriously you had no chance from the start. have a nice day.

Witty. Nice owned icon. You've earned your place in internet history by posting it. I proved you wrong in every aspect you dolt. You are like a ***** who gets abused by her boyfriend and keeps running back. I can't have an intelligible argument with someone who argues like a student who rides a blue bus to school. You are purposely disagreeing with everything because you don't know any better. Well, you don't know at all.

We have supplied you with visual evidence of people getting lifted off their feet by punches and you are still denying it. Everything you are saying is asinine and backed up by nothing other than incoherence.

Like Buttfly would say: Ofcource, because you just got :owned:
Seriously you had no chance from the start. have a nice day.

Boy, you sure do like starting trouble, don't you? You have enough trouble as it is with scrappy. Don't make it harder on yourself by bringing me into this.

The Galento shot looks like a legitimate instance of a punch lifting someone off the ground a few inches. An ultra rare sight in boxing. It looks to me like the Botha punch was more of a reflex; he was hit by Lewis and he kind of jumped up a little before falling down. The same with Frazier vs. Foreman.

The Galento shot looks like a legitimate instance of a punch lifting someone off the ground a few inches. An ultra rare sight in boxing. It looks to me like the Botha punch was more of a reflex; he was hit by Lewis and he kind of jumped up a little before falling down. The same with Frazier vs. Foreman.

Yeah, that makes sense.

The Galento shot looks like a legitimate instance of a punch lifting someone off the ground a few inches. An ultra rare sight in boxing. It looks to me like the Botha punch was more of a reflex; he was hit by Lewis and he kind of jumped up a little before falling down. The same with Frazier vs. Foreman.

if your hit under the chin you legs and back straighten up thats what it looked like to me.
beautiful shovel hook though