-Mirko Cro Cop (#2 Heavyweight in the World)* vs. Gabriel Gonzaga
-Andrei Arlovski (#6 Heavyweight in the World)* vs. Fabricio Werdum
-Ryoto Machida vs. Forrest Griffin
-Michael Bisping vs. Elvis Sinosic
-Assuerio Silva vs. Cheick Kongo
-Dennis Siver vs. Jess Liaudin
-Alessio Sakara vs. Victor Valimaki

and

-Tito Ortiz (#8 Light Heavyweight in the World)* vs. TBA
-David Lee vs. TBA

could some people give me some good Karma ( because running with knives gave me close to 6-7 bad Karmas in a row) LOL

my picks

Mirko by Knock Out Round 1 over Gonzaga
Werdum by Submission Round 2 over Andrei
Machida by Knock out round 1 over Griffins
Bisping by Tko round 1 over sinonisic
Assuerio Silva by uni decision Kongo (winner gets cro-cop*)

notes:

cro-cop better stay off the ground with gonzaga, its going to be one hell of a fight i think....a lot of guys are underrating gonzaga...if he tries to stand with cro-cop he will get knocked out...if he just tries to survive standing, cro-cop will win a decision..

Werdum is way too good of a fighter to lose to AA...standing i think werdum will shock us and light up the smaller aa and if it goes to the ground, aa will get sub/tap

Machida is going to steam roll thru forrest griffin...machida seemed super super impressive over his victory over sam hoger and forrest will try to stand with him only to get it worst than he did aganist Jardine!

i honestly think machida could take chuck and beat him! his stand up is ****ing crisp and i think he would be champ easily in pride ( the rules in pride fit him better, due to kicks on the ground which he could have killed hoger if they were allowed) machida is the real deal and no sloppy puncher such as liddell is beating him!

i couldnt care less about bisping, i think hes too small for his weight class and hes slow and sloppy standing....**** any top 15 lthw would knock him retarted!

the kongo/assuerio silva fight its going to be huge...we got two huge mother ****ers who are going to stand and trade...

i now love the heavy-weight division in ufc alot more now! we got 3 exciting heavy-weight fights in one card....**** all those haters who say ufc heavies are washed up...i see it way better than boxing, and 3-4 steps behind Prides Heavy-weight division!

could some people give me some good Karma ( because running with knives gave me close to 6-7 bad Karmas in a row) LOL

my picks

Mirko by Knock Out Round 1 over Gonzaga
Werdum by Submission Round 2 over Andrei
Machida by Knock out round 1 over Griffins
Bisping by Tko round 1 over sinonisic
Assuerio Silva by uni decision Kongo (winner gets cro-cop*)

notes:

cro-cop better stay off the ground with gonzaga, its going to be one hell of a fight i think....a lot of guys are underrating gonzaga...if he tries to stand with cro-cop he will get knocked out...if he just tries to survive standing, cro-cop will win a decision..

Werdum is way too good of a fighter to lose to AA...standing i think werdum will shock us and light up the smaller aa and if it goes to the ground, aa will get sub/tap

Machida is going to steam roll thru forrest griffin...machida seemed super super impressive over his victory over sam hoger and forrest will try to stand with him only to get it worst than he did aganist Jardine!

i honestly think machida could take chuck and beat him! his stand up is ****ing crisp and i think he would be champ easily in pride ( the rules in pride fit him better, due to kicks on the ground which he could have killed hoger if they were allowed) machida is the real deal and no sloppy puncher such as liddell is beating him!

i couldnt care less about bisping, i think hes too small for his weight class and hes slow and sloppy standing....**** any top 15 lthw would knock him retarted!

the kongo/assuerio silva fight its going to be huge...we got two huge mother ****ers who are going to stand and trade...

i now love the heavy-weight division in ufc alot more now! we got 3 exciting heavy-weight fights in one card....**** all those haters who say ufc heavies are washed up...i see it way better than boxing, and 3-4 steps behind Prides Heavy-weight division!


Alright. Where to start here. First off, you're analysis of Arlovski vs Werdum is flawed. Werdum is about 6'4 242lbs. Arlovski is 6'4 240lbs. NO size advantage for Werdum. Arlovski is far from "the smaller fighter". Very doubtful that Werdum's average stand up will "light up" Arlovski who has some of the best heavyweight standup in MMA. The only way Werdum wins, IMO, is by a submission, which is pretty tough to catch Arlovski in, as he has a wide knowledge of the ground as well.

Secondly, highly doubtful that Machida is gonna steamroll through Griffin, much less anybody. If you're using the Hogar fight for comparison, Griffin pounded Hogar's skull in, in the 1st or 2nd round, in comparison to the judges decision against Machida. Not to diss Machida at all, but I've seen nearly all of his fights, and I've never seen him steamroll anybody. Definitly a close fight, but no way does Machida destroy Griffin.

Thirdly, Machida is good, but to say he would easily be the 205 pound champ in Pride OR the UFC seems like pure nuthuggery to me. He's gonna get destroyed standing up against Liddell or Wanderlei Silva at this point. His unorthordox karate standup might be a little confusing to both of them, but these guys have been KOing people for years. Who has Machida knocked out besides Franklin? Nobody. Nobody important anyways. Not to take anything away from Machida, but he is FAR away from being the best in the world at 205.

Next up, Bisping is too small for his weightclass? He looks like a pretty large dude to me. Probably walks around at 225 or 230. The chances of him making 185 without being a walking skeleton are pretty slim. He's got pretty crisp standup from what I've seen, which is about 75% of his fights, so I'm not sure where you're getting that observation from.

Lastly, the UFCs heavyweight division is improving pretty quickly. But Pride is still a step ahead, even with losing Werdum and Cro Cop. They've got 3 out of the top 5 heavyweights in the world with Fedor, Nogueira and Barnett. They're closing the gap, but they're still a couple steps behind Pride in the HW ranks.

Alright. Where to start here. First off, you're analysis of Arlovski vs Werdum is flawed. Werdum is about 6'4 242lbs. Arlovski is 6'4 240lbs. NO size advantage for Werdum. Arlovski is far from "the smaller fighter". Very doubtful that Werdum's average stand up will "light up" Arlovski who has some of the best heavyweight standup in MMA. The only way Werdum wins, IMO, is by a submission, which is pretty tough to catch Arlovski in, as he has a wide knowledge of the ground as well.

Secondly, highly doubtful that Machida is gonna steamroll through Griffin, much less anybody. If you're using the Hogar fight for comparison, Griffin pounded Hogar's skull in, in the 1st or 2nd round, in comparison to the judges decision against Machida. Not to diss Machida at all, but I've seen nearly all of his fights, and I've never seen him steamroll anybody. Definitly a close fight, but no way does Machida destroy Griffin.

Thirdly, Machida is good, but to say he would easily be the 205 pound champ in Pride OR the UFC seems like pure nuthuggery to me. He's gonna get destroyed standing up against Liddell or Wanderlei Silva at this point. His unorthordox karate standup might be a little confusing to both of them, but these guys have been KOing people for years. Who has Machida knocked out besides Franklin? Nobody. Nobody important anyways. Not to take anything away from Machida, but he is FAR away from being the best in the world at 205.

Next up, Bisping is too small for his weightclass? He looks like a pretty large dude to me. Probably walks around at 225 or 230. The chances of him making 185 without being a walking skeleton are pretty slim. He's got pretty crisp standup from what I've seen, which is about 75% of his fights, so I'm not sure where you're getting that observation from.

Lastly, the UFCs heavyweight division is improving pretty quickly. But Pride is still a step ahead, even with losing Werdum and Cro Cop. They've got 3 out of the top 5 heavyweights in the world with Fedor, Nogueira and Barnett. They're closing the gap, but they're still a couple steps behind Pride in the HW ranks.


let me guess, you got the stats from sherdog, :rofl: :rofl: werdum is taller and has a wider reach than aa period....sherdog has enimo at 6`6 and in their fight, they look even (http://youtube.com/watch?v=dSSlll779gg) so stfu and stop using fight finder for info! andrei isnt no where near top anything, and to say his striking is the " best heavyweight standup in MMA" is a diss to the real top heavies...lol nog would outbox the **** outta him!
and who the **** has aa knocked out with his amazing striking? lol **** he couldnt even knock out justin eilers...


machida steam rolled thru bj penn/franklin (top 2-3 in their division)... :rofl: if you actually watched the machida/hoger fight ( which i no for a fact you didnt) you would see that he only got hit once that entire fight, lol and in the third round he turned it up and almost knocked him out...he beat hoger like no one has ever had..machida is unbeaten and i dont see anyone beating him in the near future...i still dont no how you could say iam nuthugging him ( i have no reason to like the dude, i just think hes a good fighter and the FASTEST fighter in the LHW division!

i couldnt care less what you say about Bisping hes slow, sloppy, looks small ( iam giving you the benefit of the doubt) and will get beat by any top 10-15! his last fight showed that his stand up is anything but crisp! to say he cuts from 230-235 is kinda funni ( when tito/chuck -the biggest guys in thier weight class- say they cut from 215-220) LOL

iam glad to see you agree with me when i stated that the ufc hw division is a few steps behind...i just dont agree with the fact that you have tim sylvia in your top 5!

-Cro Cop/Gonzaga. I was one of the many who rubbished Gonzaga when this fight was first announced but went back and watch a few more of his matches and was pleasantly surprised especially against Marrero. His BJJ are excellent but I can’t see him TD’ing CC. CroCop via KO.

-Werdrum/Anderi is the most interesting fight of the night. For two reasons the fight itself and the after match. If Werdum can get a takedown and end up on top, he should definitely end it. AA has a chance standing up though, especially with FW always keeping his chin up and leaves the possibility tagged and dropped (Big Nog anyone?). For the aftermath, if Werdrum were to win, would he be willing to fight CroCop.

-After what Machida did to Hoger, I just can’t see any glimpse of hope for Forest. Machida UD and I don’t expect to see Forest cry this time.

-As much as I’d like to see Kongo/Silva standing, I just don’t see it happening. . Kongo was exposed by Marrero and I see him getting subbed here.

-Bisping is the home boy so I expect him to put on a show standing up and KO Sinosic. My only fear is if he gets taken down.

let me guess, you got the stats from sherdog, :rofl: :rofl: werdum is taller and has a wider reach than aa period....sherdog has enimo at 6`6 and in their fight, they look even (http://youtube.com/watch?v=dSSlll779gg) so stfu and stop using fight finder for info! andrei isnt no where near top anything, and to say his striking is the " best heavyweight standup in MMA" is a diss to the real top heavies...lol nog would outbox the **** outta him!
and who the **** has aa knocked out with his amazing striking? lol **** he couldnt even knock out justin eilers...


machida steam rolled thru bj penn/franklin (top 2-3 in their division)... :rofl: if you actually watched the machida/hoger fight ( which i no for a fact you didnt) you would see that he only got hit once that entire fight, lol and in the third round he turned it up and almost knocked him out...he beat hoger like no one has ever had..machida is unbeaten and i dont see anyone beating him in the near future...i still dont no how you could say iam nuthugging him ( i have no reason to like the dude, i just think hes a good fighter and the FASTEST fighter in the LHW division!

i couldnt care less what you say about Bisping hes slow, sloppy, looks small ( iam giving you the benefit of the doubt) and will get beat by any top 10-15! his last fight showed that his stand up is anything but crisp! to say he cuts from 230-235 is kinda funni ( when tito/chuck -the biggest guys in thier weight class- say they cut from 215-220) LOL

iam glad to see you agree with me when i stated that the ufc hw division is a few steps behind...i just dont agree with the fact that you have tim sylvia in your top 5!


Alrighty then. First off, so what if I used the fight finder? I didn't want to make guesses and estimates at height and weight like you did. I wanted to present facts.

Secondly, I never said he had the best standup in MMA. I said ONE of the best HW standups in MMA. If he's nowhere near, who's better? If you can name one HW in the UFC with a better standup then him, who's name isn't Mirko, I'd like to see it. Who has he KOed with his standup? Vladimir Matyushenko, Ian Freeman & Paul Buentello. Not too shabby. He's floored Sylvia TWICE and put Cabbage on his ass, back when NOBODY could KO him, much less take him off his feet.

Thirdly, I already agreed with you about Franklin. Not sure he steamrolled him, but sure enough he did KO him. As far as steamrolling BJ Penn, Penn is normally a 155/170 pound fighter. The fight still went the distance, and Machida didn't finish him. If he was such a deadly striker fighting people his own weight, why didn't he finish a smaller underpowered fighter such as Penn? Why didn't he finish Vernon White? Not to take anything away from Machida, cause he's a good fighter with a lot of potential, but he's FAR from being a top tier fighter at this moment. Not to say he will be, but he sure isn't right now.

Lastly, I said Bisping WALKS around at 225-230, not CUTS. They're different terms. Walking weight is the weight a fighter weighs in his every day life, when they're not training, more or less. Cutting weight is the weight a fighter is at just before, or near the fight & usually during the fight after the fighter rehydrates after making weight. Just to clear that up for ya.

Alrighty then. First off, so what if I used the fight finder? I didn't want to make guesses and estimates at height and weight like you did. I wanted to present facts.

Secondly, I never said he had the best standup in MMA. I said ONE of the best HW standups in MMA. If he's nowhere near, who's better? If you can name one HW in the UFC with a better standup then him, who's name isn't Mirko, I'd like to see it. Who has he KOed with his standup? Vladimir Matyushenko, Ian Freeman & Paul Buentello. Not too shabby. He's floored Sylvia TWICE and put Cabbage on his ass, back when NOBODY could KO him, much less take him off his feet.

Thirdly, I already agreed with you about Franklin. Not sure he steamrolled him, but sure enough he did KO him. As far as steamrolling BJ Penn, Penn is normally a 155/170 pound fighter. The fight still went the distance, and Machida didn't finish him. If he was such a deadly striker fighting people his own weight, why didn't he finish a smaller underpowered fighter such as Penn? Why didn't he finish Vernon White? Not to take anything away from Machida, cause he's a good fighter with a lot of potential, but he's FAR from being a top tier fighter at this moment. Not to say he will be, but he sure isn't right now.

Lastly, I said Bisping WALKS around at 225-230, not CUTS. They're different terms. Walking weight is the weight a fighter weighs in his every day life, when they're not training, more or less. Cutting weight is the weight a fighter is at just before, or near the fight & usually during the fight after the fighter rehydrates after making weight. Just to clear that up for ya.
Haha, don't **** with the Global folks - they know their ****.

Alrighty then. First off, so what if I used the fight finder? I didn't want to make guesses and estimates at height and weight like you did. I wanted to present facts.

Secondly, I never said he had the best standup in MMA. I said ONE of the best HW standups in MMA. If he's nowhere near, who's better? If you can name one HW in the UFC with a better standup then him, who's name isn't Mirko, I'd like to see it. Who has he KOed with his standup? Vladimir Matyushenko, Ian Freeman & Paul Buentello. Not too shabby. He's floored Sylvia TWICE and put Cabbage on his ass, back when NOBODY could KO him, much less take him off his feet.

Thirdly, I already agreed with you about Franklin. Not sure he steamrolled him, but sure enough he did KO him. As far as steamrolling BJ Penn, Penn is normally a 155/170 pound fighter. The fight still went the distance, and Machida didn't finish him. If he was such a deadly striker fighting people his own weight, why didn't he finish a smaller underpowered fighter such as Penn? Why didn't he finish Vernon White? Not to take anything away from Machida, cause he's a good fighter with a lot of potential, but he's FAR from being a top tier fighter at this moment. Not to say he will be, but he sure isn't right now.

Lastly, I said Bisping WALKS around at 225-230, not CUTS. They're different terms. Walking weight is the weight a fighter weighs in his every day life, when they're not training, more or less. Cutting weight is the weight a fighter is at just before, or near the fight & usually during the fight after the fighter rehydrates after making weight. Just to clear that up for ya.


i just dont like to use fight finder b/c its wrong on many cases (such as this one) and its a tool for mma newbies~ :banana:

to answer ur question, brandon vera is ways better standing than Anderi and he would KNOCK Andrei the **** Out! ( not sure if he is still a ufc heavie thou, but still....)

i see him as a top fighter (machida), just b/c he isnt a champ doesnt mean anything, i mean he hasnt lost, hes fought and beaten p4p fighter/champions/world class kick boxers and he has the speed that could take him over to top ( look at what fedor does with his speed) i honestly think machida could fight at ether 185/205!

and iam sorry if you didnt understand what i tried to say about that crazy brit...if he somehow does walk around at 230-235 ( like you first stated) hes fat and out of shape ( iam not saying hes has to be in training) its not his natural body weight! i honestly do see a bright future for him, i hope he proves me wrong thou, i love his attitude and i think its about time the ufc has another tuff brit!

Haha, don't **** with the Global folks - they know their ****.

i think albanian folks know their shti just a little more! i dont care much, i respect anyone that post with backup...i just hate when someone makes a statement with no thought or meaning!

ex. chuck liddell is god and he will knock anyone he faces!

to answer ur question, brandon vera is ways better standing than Anderi and he would KNOCK Andrei the **** Out! ( not sure if he is still a ufc heavie thou, but still....)

what? i mean, vera has decent standup, but what? i'm dumbfounded here. what? I think it's time you watched or re-watched Arlovski's fights in the UFC again. No way is Vera KOing Arlovski.

And when you see Werdum vs Arlovski, I guarantee you won't be looking at Arlovski as the "smaller fighter".

Werdum is way too good of a fighter to lose to AA...standing i think werdum will shock us and light up the smaller aa and if it goes to the ground, aa will get sub/tap

LOL @ Andrei being smaller than Werdum, and the thought of Fabricio lighting anyone up standing.

the kongo/assuerio silva fight its going to be huge...we got two huge mother ****ers who are going to stand and trade...

Silva is going take Kongo down and have his way with him, Cheick is going to have to learn how to stop a takedown if he wants to stand and trade.

machida steam rolled thru bj penn/franklin (top 2-3 in their division)...

How the hell did Machida steam roll Penn? It sure as hell wasn't by losing the first round and snoozing his way through the rest of the fight to a decision. Moreover, Penn and Franklin are top 10 fighters in lighter divisions. A decision win over a bloated 155 pounder and KO over a puffy 185 pounder doesn't mean you're ready for Chuck Liddell and Wanderlei Silva.

if you actually watched the machida/hoger fight ( which i no for a fact you didnt) you would see that he only got hit once that entire fight, lol and in the third round he turned it up and almost knocked him out...he beat hoger like no one has ever had..machida is unbeaten and i dont see anyone beating him in the near future...i still dont no how you could say iam nuthugging him ( i have no reason to like the dude, i just think hes a good fighter and the FASTEST fighter in the LHW division!

Machida got hit more than once in that fight and Hoger was finished by Ryoto's opponent in UFC 70, Forrest Griffin.

I expect Machida to beat Forrest but I don't see him steamrolling him, he'll likely outclass him standing and on the ground for 3 rounds.

to answer ur question, brandon vera is ways better standing than Anderi and he would KNOCK Andrei the **** Out! ( not sure if he is still a ufc heavie thou, but still....)

Who the hell has Brandon Vera faced at HW that makes you think he'd just knock Andrei? Scherner? Eilers? A washed up Frank Mir? Please.

Bisping is too small for his weightclass? He looks like a pretty large dude to me. Probably walks around at 225 or 230.

Mike is not that big, he's about 220 at most walking around and he is bit undersized for his weight class. But so was Wanderlei Silva when he began his career at MW/LHW, I'll take speed and skill over size any day.

LOL @ Andrei being smaller than Werdum, and the thought of Fabricio lighting anyone up standing.



Silva is going take Kongo down and have his way with him, Cheick is going to have to learn how to stop a takedown if he wants to stand and trade.



How the hell did Machida steam roll Penn? It sure as hell wasn't by losing the first round and snoozing his way through the rest of the fight to a decision. Moreover, Penn and Franklin are top 10 fighters in lighter divisions. A decision win over a bloated 155 pounder and KO over a puffy 185 pounder doesn't mean you're ready for Chuck Liddell and Wanderlei Silva.



Machida got hit more than once in that fight and Hoger was finished by Ryoto's opponent in UFC 70, Forrest Griffin.

I expect Machida to beat Forrest but I don't see him steamrolling him, he'll likely outclass him standing and on the ground for 3 rounds.



Who the hell has Brandon Vera faced at HW that makes you think he'd just knock Andrei? Scherner? Eilers? A washed up Frank Mir? Please.

their is no point in arguing the a.a./werdum issue....even if they are the same size, werdum is a better fight and fought better competition and trains with world class fighters! also vera would knock out aa....who the **** did aa beat to make him good? vera beat everyone hes faced easily ( as the great fighter he is) while aa got KTFO by over the hill heavies and tim sylvia.... :rofl:

you cant say **** about machida, hes beat everyone hes faced and was never in any trouble ( and he did not get hit more than once in his fight with hoger, and his fight aganist forrest wanst a real fight, it was on the show...its not like hogar/forrest had a training camp for it) and to say forrest will outclass machida is :rofl: in itself....he got KTFO by keith jardine....****ING KIETH JARDINE :rofl: you need to stop watching tuf and get off your boys nuts!

Mike is not that big, he's about 220 at most walking around and he is bit undersized for his weight class. But so was Wanderlei Silva when he began his career at MW/LHW, I'll take speed and skill over size any day.

i agree with you....machida is the fastest lhw in the ufc if not one of the fastest in the world!

their is no point in arguing the a.a./werdum issue....even if they are the same size, werdum is a better fight and fought better competition and trains with world class fighters! also vera would knock out aa....who the **** did aa beat to make him good? vera beat everyone hes faced easily ( as the great fighter he is) while aa got KTFO by over the hill heavies and tim sylvia.... :rofl:

Werdum and Andrei have faced a similar level of competition and the reason why the fight is intriguing, is because you don't know who's better. Most MMA rankings have them ranked 1 position apart.

When Vera beats a top 20 HW you can talk about what he'll do to Arlovski. Until then stfu about him.

you cant say **** about machida, hes beat everyone hes faced and was never in any trouble ( and he did not get hit more than once in his fight with hoger, and his fight aganist forrest wanst a real fight, it was on the show...its not like hogar/forrest had a training camp for it)

And who has he beat? No one really noteworthy yet. Exhibition or not, Griffin kicked Hoger's ass.

and to say forrest will outclass machida is :rofl: in itself....he got KTFO by keith jardine....****ING KIETH JARDINE :rofl: you need to stop watching tuf and get off your boys nuts!

Reading comprehension is your friend.

Also, Keith Jardine doesn't suck, he's as good if not better than any of the LHWs Ryoto has faced.

I don't know how knowledgeable you are on the sport of boxing, but MMA is not your forte, you'd get laughed at stating some of the **** you state on here.

im hopefully going to be there to watch it..

cant wait....

their is no point in arguing the a.a./werdum issue....even if they are the same size, werdum is a better fight and fought better competition and trains with world class fighters! also vera would knock out aa....who the **** did aa beat to make him good? vera beat everyone hes faced easily ( as the great fighter he is) while aa got KTFO by over the hill heavies and tim sylvia.... :rofl:

you cant say **** about machida, hes beat everyone hes faced and was never in any trouble ( and he did not get hit more than once in his fight with hoger, and his fight aganist forrest wanst a real fight, it was on the show...its not like hogar/forrest had a training camp for it) and to say forrest will outclass machida is :rofl: in itself....he got KTFO by keith jardine....****ING KIETH JARDINE :rofl: you need to stop watching tuf and get off your boys nuts!

Who are these over the hill heavyweights that Arlovski got KOed by? Ricco Rodriguez when he was in top form, on his way to the UFC Heavyweight Championship? Rizzo? Maybe Rizzo was on the way down the hill at that point, but by no means was he washed up. Sylvia? Well, Sylvia's the heavyweight champion. Nuff said there.

One thing I never got is the animosity certain "fans" feel towards fighters who came up through the Ultimate Fighter. Granted, there are fighters who have been on the show who have no business being in the UFC. But you must see that a certain percentage of these fighters would have made the UFC anyways. Regardless if the show existed or not. Including Keith Jardine, who you horribly underrate, while horribly overrating Machida. I think the only one on anybodys nuts here, is you.

You run the MMA forum? By default, maybe.

And how did Griffin and Hogar not have a training camp for the fight or fights on the Ultimate Fighter? Granted they may not have specifiically trained for each other until they knew they would fight. But they must have known that to win they may have faced each other eventually. Plus THE WHOLE ****ING SHOW IS A TRAINING CAMP.

Why is everyone arguing with Atnan?

He openly argued that Allistar Overeem is a better striker than Chuck Lidell and would knock him out any day of the week healthy.

Why is everyone arguing with Atnan?

He openly argued that Allistar Overeem is a better striker than Chuck Lidell and would knock him out any day of the week healthy.

LOL. Taking nothing away from Overeem, but he got blasted out of the water against Liddell. He must have forgotten that.

LOL. Taking nothing away from Overeem, but he got blasted out of the water against Liddell. He must have forgotten that.

no overreem was giving it to chuck hard that fight up untill he gassed! its obvious, i discussed that matter already, no point in bringing it up again! to say chuck is a top striker is a under statement!

Why is everyone arguing with Atnan?

He openly argued that Allistar Overeem is a better striker than Chuck Lidell and would knock him out any day of the week healthy.

i blew you out the water many times before and shut you up to the point where you gave me 100 bad karma`s in a row and you still havent replied back with any proff/backround/knowledge anything! you just make statements with no backup/thought!

Who are these over the hill heavyweights that Arlovski got KOed by? Ricco Rodriguez when he was in top form, on his way to the UFC Heavyweight Championship? Rizzo? Maybe Rizzo was on the way down the hill at that point, but by no means was he washed up. Sylvia? Well, Sylvia's the heavyweight champion. Nuff said there.

One thing I never got is the animosity certain "fans" feel towards fighters who came up through the Ultimate Fighter. Granted, there are fighters who have been on the show who have no business being in the UFC. But you must see that a certain percentage of these fighters would have made the UFC anyways. Regardless if the show existed or not. Including Keith Jardine, who you horribly underrate, while horribly overrating Machida. I think the only one on anybodys nuts here, is you.

You run the MMA forum? By default, maybe.

And how did Griffin and Hogar not have a training camp for the fight or fights on the Ultimate Fighter? Granted they may not have specifiically trained for each other until they knew they would fight. But they must have known that to win they may have faced each other eventually. Plus THE WHOLE ****ING SHOW IS A TRAINING CAMP.

you cant say aa fought similar opposition when he was in the ufc! werdum faced top 5 guys and fought his heart out! when aa was champ NO ONE WAS IN THE TOP 10, A.A. beat no ones including that dufus tim syliva, cro-cop is gonna clean house and show you that the pride heavies are the best, no one comes close!

vera >>>>> Andri, get over it, he beat everyone hes faced and finished them!
andrei got knocked out by a dufus and b+ class heavies, you cant honeslty have him in ur top 10! to say frank mir, or assurio silva isnt top 20, i could only imagine where who is in ur top 20! :rofl: please dont try, your a ****ing alt account, get off my nutz! i run these forums *****! the ruler is here!

FRAT. Few points though, Overeem is a better striker than Liddell, Liddell's KO power is what won him that fight. Chuck is a B level fighter with A++ Punching power. Squezze isnt an alt of anyone he is an original member of this forum that you "run"...

FRAT. Few points though, Overeem is a better striker than Liddell, Liddell's KO power is what won him that fight. Chuck is a B level fighter with A++ Punching power. Squezze isnt an alt of anyone he is an original member of this forum that you "run"...

nice post, great ideas, i agree!

now that pride is over....its on the ufc 69 now!

What a bull**** card. Can UFC put out a card full of competitive events like PRIDE does? please? I think I am asking for too much. **** Dana.

What a bull**** card. Can UFC put out a card full of competitive events like PRIDE does? please? I think I am asking for too much. **** Dana.

indeed you are asking for too much!

The Tito Ortiz vs. TBA is going to be Griffin again....

The Tito Ortiz vs. TBA is going to be Griffin again....

rumour has Griffin fighting LYOTO

What a bull**** card. Can UFC put out a card full of competitive events like PRIDE does? please? I think I am asking for too much. **** Dana.

I didn't really think that the Pride card was going to be all that competitive before the event. Other than the main event, it looked like it was going to be very one sided affair. It is just that there were huge upsets that happened. Whine after the event and not before it.

The Tito Ortiz vs. TBA is going to be Griffin again....

why didnt you read the first post of the thread...

rumour has Griffin fighting LYOTO

its no rumour...go check griffin myspace, its offical as it gets!

Lyoto tko round 2 over forrest!