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chensta
02-21-2007, 07:00 PM
Hi there new to the forum and boxing for that matter! A few years back, I did quite a bit of kickboxing, but then unfortunately I had to get a knee reconstruction, following that i was pretty lazy! (using my knee as an excuse to get out of exercising!). anyway as of now, i am quite the unfit boy hehe, which i hear is very bad in boxing, and it'll come out in ways such as weak guard (always droppin and not snapping back fast enough) and also lazy feet (not moving around enough, or lack or rhythm), i recorded myself doin a light 3 minute workout and i guess all these traits are apparent! here is the video ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek6GHoDqBZ8 please have a look, if you have a youtube account u can comment my video too thanks!)

anyway my questions are, where do i start? how do i work more rhythm, i try moving around the bag (unfortunately its siting next to a bench due to lack of space), but i just cant dance like ali hehe, and its more like a bit of a walk around the bag.

ive also tried shadowboxing alot too, but is it just me, or is it really energy sapping? and it feels everythin is in slow motion, i cant punch as fast as if im on the bag.

anyway thats all for now, but i will definately keep you guys up to date with my progress and hopefully with your help!

thanks,

william

boxing4ever
02-21-2007, 07:37 PM
Hi there new to the forum and boxing for that matter! A few years back, I did quite a bit of kickboxing, but then unfortunately I had to get a knee reconstruction, following that i was pretty lazy! (using my knee as an excuse to get out of exercising!). anyway as of now, i am quite the unfit boy hehe, which i hear is very bad in boxing, and it'll come out in ways such as weak guard (always droppin and not snapping back fast enough) and also lazy feet (not moving around enough, or lack or rhythm), i recorded myself doin a light 3 minute workout and i guess all these traits are apparent! here is the video ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek6GHoDqBZ8 please have a look, if you have a youtube account u can comment my video too thanks!)

anyway my questions are, where do i start? how do i work more rhythm, i try moving around the bag (unfortunately its siting next to a bench due to lack of space), but i just cant dance like ali hehe, and its more like a bit of a walk around the bag.

ive also tried shadowboxing alot too, but is it just me, or is it really energy sapping? and it feels everythin is in slow motion, i cant punch as fast as if im on the bag.

anyway thats all for now, but i will definately keep you guys up to date with my progress and hopefully with your help!

thanks,

william
one thing i can tell you is go to a boxing gym not kickboxing and start all over again from scratch so you dont develop bad habits and from watching that video you need to loosen up a little bit and when you hit the bag keep your chin tucked in more so when you hit you dont leave your head out in the air(it will be easier to hit when its sticking out) and also i see your hits are fast but your droping your hands right after you hit and thats not good bring em straight bag to your chin and when you throw a straight hit make sure your head rests on that shoulder so just incase you get countered your elbow will cover up half of your head leaving only 2 or 3 inches of your upper head open

chensta
02-21-2007, 08:07 PM
when i do some 1,2's i can keep the guard tight, but whenever i do more, it gets realli loose, like im almost taking a shortcut from one punch to another, so when im throwin a battery of punches, how do i protect myself?

chensta
02-21-2007, 08:07 PM
when i do some 1,2's i can keep the guard tight, but whenever i do more, it gets realli loose, like im almost taking a shortcut from one punch to another, so when im throwin a battery of punches, how do i protect myself?

Trick
02-21-2007, 08:53 PM
extend those jabs more, and work on body shots. On a whole not bad, just remember that you should basically punch with the body, hit with the wrist, as my trainer says.

Peace

Trick

-Antonio-
02-21-2007, 09:32 PM
You drop your hands after most of your punches, and I couldnt tell your hooks apart from your jabs a lot of times. You also square yourself up sometimes. I think you should work on technique instead of going as fast as you can. You look pretty quick, but then again those look like 4-6 ounce gloves

You know what you're doing, you just need some tuning up.

boxing4ever
02-21-2007, 09:50 PM
when i do some 1,2's i can keep the guard tight, but whenever i do more, it gets realli loose, like im almost taking a shortcut from one punch to another, so when im throwin a battery of punches, how do i protect myself?

theres no way you can just hit the bag and be a good defencive fighter you must go beyond a heavy bag and do drills,sparring,padwork(the person holding the pads smacks your chin after every combo ensuring you have your hands up) and many other things you can get in a boxing gym

boxing4ever
02-21-2007, 09:51 PM
o and by the way i like your dog harley man its a cool dog!

chensta
02-21-2007, 10:36 PM
hehe thanks, i love my dog, took it when it was 3, previous owner had to move into a smaller apartment, no place for the dog.

anyway thanks for the tips guys, yes i am going to join a gym soon! one question ive always had, should you actually move while punching, or is it move, stabilise and then throw a combo and move again? and do you guys move your feet around in order to setup combos?

the other thing, i think im slighty less than 5'9 (174cm) and weight 60 kg's (132lbs?), but i am really unfit and even slightly fat, so i guess if i work out, i can lose a few pounds and get some muscle heh? im not realli well researched into boxing, but what kind of weight division would i be in? how fast would somebody of my weight punch, and how hard etc?

also im 19, so i still got a few years in me hehe, i am not looking to become the best hehe, but ive always enjoyed competitive sport, pitting yourself against another opponent!

j
02-21-2007, 11:01 PM
chensta, welcome to the board man.

first, i like the accuracy of your punches. they also looked fairly crisp and clean. believe me, your little bag demo isn't bad at all. you're pretty quick too.

don't worry about the "hands up in guard" thing too much right now. that just basically serves to remind you to protect yourself. you can worry about the variations in boxing guards when you get into a gym.

anyway thanks for the tips guys, yes i am going to join a gym soon! one question ive always had, should you actually move while punching, or is it move, stabilise and then throw a combo and move again? and do you guys move your feet around in order to setup combos?


your movements with your punches should be one and the same. note, however, i practice chinese boxing, not western boxing. so my perspective will differ slightly than your regular american style boxers. both arts practice the same type of sparring though, although chinese pugulism has more variations as far as i have seen.

the other thing, i think im slighty less than 5'9 (174cm) and weight 60 kg's (132lbs?),

5'9" and you weigh app 132 lbs? you would roughly be looking at super featherweight or lightweight.

manny pacquiao, joel casamayor, marco anonio berrara, and juan diaz are just a few fighters you might want to check out as they are around your weight.

btw, keep some of the lessons you have learned from kickboxing - that is, if you trained it for a fair period of time. vitali klitschko, the last dominant heavyweight champ started out with karate and moved on to become a kickboxing champion before taking boxing as his major occupation. watch the way he moves and the subtle things he does to see how he brought his martial arts experience into boxing. that martial arts experience he had made him the toughest and most akward heavyweight to fight. manny steward, a famed boxing trainer, said vitali was the only fighter he ever saw who seemed to know when his opponent was going to punch before his opponent actually did.

keep us informed on how the transition from kickboxing to boxing goes.

boxing4ever
02-21-2007, 11:26 PM
MANNY STEWARD, a famed boxing trainer, said vitali was the only fighter he ever saw who seemed to know when his opponent was going to punch before his opponent actually did.
manuel steward comes to my gym for competitions

chensta
02-22-2007, 03:22 AM
thanks j for your reply! and yes im glad to have found this board hehe

as i said in the first post, i havent really touched kickboxing for over 2 years (maybe 3, dont even remember thats how long it has been hehe). anyway even at that time, it was just once or twice a week, but nothing too serious, and basically learnt alot of basics, got decent at some skills, but mastered non hehe!

a question about the punching bag, when it swings, when do you hit it? on the way down? just as it reaches bottom and goes back up? or anytime just using different punches.

thanks again guys! you've all been great help

the330ballers
02-22-2007, 05:23 AM
when i do some 1,2's i can keep the guard tight, but whenever i do more, it gets realli loose, like im almost taking a shortcut from one punch to another, so when im throwin a battery of punches, how do i protect myself?
u needa tuck ur chin in
maybe throw ur punches a little higher too
throw in a couple hooks too

chensta
02-22-2007, 05:59 AM
hi guys, i just did 3 3minute rounds of just light 1 2's , like not much power, but i made sure that i never threw 2 combos from the same position in a row, just moving around the bag (by around i mean left right left hehe, but i dont have a full circle around my bag), and i also made sure i kept my hands up after every hit. the first 2 rounds were pretty messy, i regularly got lazy and forget the guard, and also my footwork, sure im moving alot, but i sometimes feel im almost tripping overmyself when i try to move quickly after a combo!

from what i gather so far, i got pretty good speed, but need to work on movement and my defence?

also i have this stand - http://rebelsport.com.au/?action=view&id=700714&cat=64

its a good stand for my purpose, because i dont have a garage where i can hang a bag, but unfortunately it offers alot of limitations, first i obviously dont have 360 access to the bag, and also legs are quite irritating, moving while constantly thinking about the possibility of stepping on it! the other thing is, as far as i know, for say a left hook on the bag, you plant your left foot infront almost next to the bag, and then swing your hips to generate power? i think the problem here is that, if i step too far infront the leg gets in the way, and if i step inside the legs, i will be too close to the bag? anyway more help welcome!

i'll keep working at it, and i'll try to upload another clip!

will (chensta)

j
02-22-2007, 06:38 PM
manuel steward comes to my gym for competitions

lucky bastard.

well, i can't say that you are luckier than me, as i have something coming up myself with a top guy.

a question about the punching bag, when it swings, when do you hit it? on the way down? just as it reaches bottom and goes back up? or anytime just using different punches.



i like to hit it on it's way back down toward me. i dislike bags that weigh 150 lbs pounds or less as they are liable to literally fly away.

experiment with it. have fun.