if evander holyfield was trianed for 6 months to to wreslte and grapple and he faced UFC light heavy weight champ chuck liddel (UFC WEIGHTS ARE DIFFERENT THEN BOXING) who would win?

rong place for this thread - but holyfield wud win obviously :D:D

rong place for this thread - but holyfield wud win obviously :D:D

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Chuck by Any Submission/Tko Round 1

chuck isnt stupid, he isnt going to stand and trade with a boxer....also chuck is a superior wrestler ( he practically wrestled his entire life)! Chuck takes him down quickly, and he either tko`s him or subs him!

If holyfield can jab and move its not going to be as easy as just taking him down

holyfield, without a doubt, if u think otherwise ur wrong, ok?? get it?? ur WRONG!!!!:@:@:@ :)

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i know but u know wat i mean ":P"

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Chuck by Any Submission/Tko Round 1

chuck isnt stupid, he isnt going to stand and trade with a boxer....also chuck is a superior wrestler ( he practically wrestled his entire life)! Chuck takes him down quickly, and he either tko`s him or subs him!


i dont see liddel taken anybody down "quickly" i think holyfield knocks him out in 1

The rules haven’t been specified so I’m going to pretend its Vale Tudo

Evander via Death (heatbutts)

This is not about specific names; it's a much bigger question, and one which can only be debated.

Its ment to be Kicking then Punching then Grappling. In order of how good it is from left to right If its 1 on 1. Of course then it depends how good you are. So yes, names do play a part.

Evander by early KO- if not then Chuck will win.

Is this MMA rules? You people are crazy if you think Holyfield would win under MMA rules. Ever see how a boxer reacts to being kicked in the head? Ask Ray Mercer. Liddell would win, 1st round by whatever.

this is kind of getting disrespectfull to mma fighters now!

Is this MMA rules? You people are crazy if you think Holyfield would win under MMA rules. Ever see how a boxer reacts to being kicked in the head? Ask Ray Mercer. Liddell would win, 1st round by whatever.

Ray Mercer was shot to absolute pieces when Bonjasky did that. It's unfair to use that as an example.

Is this MMA rules? You people are crazy if you think Holyfield would win under MMA rules. Ever see how a boxer reacts to being kicked in the head? Ask Ray Mercer. Liddell would win, 1st round by whatever.

Holychamp would knock Chuck the **** out.

dude.....Chuck is a puncher first. He's not going to want the fight to go to the ground, and he has nothing that could hurt prime Holy.....and Holy has everything that could wear him down.

That's a huge mismatch.

. So yes, names do play a part.

It's still essentially a one dimentional art versus a multi dimentional art, regardless of the fighters involved. The boxer could train on his ground game and kicking etc, but Rome wasn't built in a day.

I think it would simply come down to the boxer having to connect early and knock the other guy out. They only wear small mitts in MMA so that is at least one thing in the boxer's favour. I'd say the boxer would lose more often than not, but it's a much bigger question like I said.

Holychamp would knock Chuck the **** out.

dude.....Chuck is a puncher first. He's not going to want the fight to go to the ground, and he has nothing that could hurt prime Holy.....and Holy has everything that could wear him down.

That's a huge mismatch.

come mon now...i thought you had some great knowledge about mma

Holychamp would knock Chuck the **** out.

dude.....Chuck is a puncher first. He's not going to want the fight to go to the ground, and he has nothing that could hurt prime Holy.....and Holy has everything that could wear him down.

That's a huge mismatch.


Nothing that could hurt a prime Holyfield??? I know this is a boxing website first and foremost, but you must be on crack. If we're talking MMA rules, vale tudo rules, whatever, Holyfield goes down in the first. Of course, I'm assuming that Holyfield hasn't trained on the ground or anything like that. Regardless, he dosen't have the knowledge that Liddell does, due to Liddell's wrestling background. Prime Liddell vs Prime Holyfield probably ends with Liddell on top of him, pounding his skull in. Any boxer who tries MMA without any ground training, is just like a fish out of water. You wouldn't put a Judo guy in a boxing match would you?

Nothing that could hurt a prime Holyfield??? I know this is a boxing website first and foremost, but you must be on crack. If we're talking MMA rules, vale tudo rules, whatever, Holyfield goes down in the first. Of course, I'm assuming that Holyfield hasn't trained on the ground or anything like that. Regardless, he dosen't have the knowledge that Liddell does, due to Liddell's wrestling background. Prime Liddell vs Prime Holyfield probably ends with Liddell on top of him, pounding his skull in. Any boxer who tries MMA without any ground training, is just like a fish out of water. You wouldn't put a Judo guy in a boxing match would you?
I agree. Holy by KO boxing rules, Liddell by stoppage MMA rules

And you can probably substitute most of the elite boxers/cage fighters names in and be accurate as well

styles make fights, liddel is a "kicker" he's a puncher first and would be destoryed by holyfield, and as far as wreslting strength goes lets not forget has fought bigger men his whole career, liddel may be a more technical wreslter but i dont think he's as strong as holyfield

Only thing that Holyfield would have to look forward to in MMA is no coliflower ear"peeleft:

if evander holyfield was trianed for 6 months to to wreslte and grapple

He'd still be facing fighters who've 'wreslte' and grappled all their lives. Which means Evander would get owned.

He'd still be facing fighters who've 'wreslte' and grappled all their lives. Which means Evander would get owned.

indeed yes!

if evander holyfield was trianed for 6 months to to wreslte and grapple and he faced UFC light heavy weight champ chuck liddel (UFC WEIGHTS ARE DIFFERENT THEN BOXING) who would win?

Chuck Liddell was a four year starter at a division one wrestling school. Do you have any idea what that means? Well, for one it means that no one, with six months training, is going to able to simply out wrestle him. Also, Chuck has a purple belt in BJJ.

He is a well rounded fighter. I mean, it might look like all he does is throw punchers but he also uses his wrestling to great effect defensively. Believe it or not most people aren't simply able to get back up like Chuck when they're taken down by great wrestlers.

Chuck choosing to stand with Evander would be dumb. He wouldn't do that. A few years back someone asked Chuck what he would do if he faced Tyson. He answered, "take him down".

styles make fights, liddel is a "kicker" he's a puncher first and would be destoryed by holyfield, and as far as wreslting strength goes lets not forget has fought bigger men his whole career, liddel may be a more technical wreslter but i dont think he's as strong as holyfield

Boxing fans. I give up.

I agree the majority of boxers would be beaten, but I don't think it's unreasonable to say a boxer would have a punchers chance, and that they'd have at least a small degree of success under the right cirumstances. I was watching a fight between Melvin Manhoef and Ian Freeman and Monhoef hurt Freeman with the first right hand he threw I think. It can happen. Anything can happen.

Nothing that could hurt a prime Holyfield??? I know this is a boxing website first and foremost, but you must be on crack. If we're talking MMA rules, vale tudo rules, whatever, Holyfield goes down in the first. Of course, I'm assuming that Holyfield hasn't trained on the ground or anything like that. Regardless, he dosen't have the knowledge that Liddell does, due to Liddell's wrestling background. Prime Liddell vs Prime Holyfield probably ends with Liddell on top of him, pounding his skull in. Any boxer who tries MMA without any ground training, is just like a fish out of water. You wouldn't put a Judo guy in a boxing match would you?

Oh......so......a 6'5 240lb man in Lewis trained in Marques de Queensburry rules can't knock a guy out, nor can the most fearsome man on the planet in Tyson at the time? You're a total ****ing moron if you think anyone in MMA can strike as hard as them. A moron.

They've spent years shadowboxing and working on punching leverage, on top of having been exposed to world class trainers in a world class Sport with a LONG RICH history and tradition behind it (Pun intended).

"lol crush his skull in" when was it......you saw Chuck demonstrate his ground game.......and win a fight using techniques on the ground?

He's striker and his ground game ****ing sucks, exemplified by Jackson doing whatever he wanted to do with him.

Hell.....I'd lean towards Holy by Sub.

Is this MMA rules? You people are crazy if you think Holyfield would win under MMA rules. Ever see how a boxer reacts to being kicked in the head? Ask Ray Mercer. Liddell would win, 1st round by whatever.

Just pointing out.

Anyone who thinks Chuck would knock a prime Holyfield out......needs to quit posting altogether. That's just a whole new level of stupidity.

Oh......so......a 6'5 240lb man in Lewis trained in Marques de Queensburry rules can't knock a guy out, nor can the most fearsome man on the planet in Tyson at the time? You're a total ****ing moron if you think anyone in MMA can strike as hard as them. A moron.

They've spent years shadowboxing and working on punching leverage, on top of having been exposed to world class trainers in a world class Sport with a LONG RICH history and tradition behind it (Pun intended).

"lol crush his skull in" when was it......you saw Chuck demonstrate his ground game.......and win a fight using techniques on the ground?

He's striker and his ground game ****ing sucks, exemplified by Jackson doing whatever he wanted to do with him.

Hell.....I'd lean towards Holy by Sub.

Once again, striking in boxing does not equal striking in MMA. Granted, guys like Tyson and Lewis most likely strike harder than most MMA guys, and that's mainly due to the fact that they've concentrated on standup. But to say that MMA fighters haven't worked for years on their technique with WORLD class trainers is just ignorant. Many of these top notch boxing trainers have MMA fighters train with them all the time.

People miss the point on Liddell's ground game. Sure he dosen't use it very often, BUT he has a purple belt in ju-jitsu and an extensive wrestling background, which he uses mainly to get back to his feet from the ground. Obviously, if he's fighting a one dimensional boxer, he's gonna shoot in for the takedown. Why not? A boxer is clueless about anything besides punching. It only makes sense.

If you're serious about the Holyfield by submission statement, then you're totally clueless. CLUELESS. Go post that on Sherdog, or the Underground or any other reputable MMA forum and you'll be laughed and ran out of the place. Holyfield dosen't know an armbar from a crowbar.

Just pointing out.

Anyone who thinks Chuck would knock a prime Holyfield out......needs to quit posting altogether. That's just a whole new level of stupidity.


Boxing fans.

Once again, are we talking MMA rules or boxing rules? I'm assuming MMA rules. What happens to Holyfield when he gets kicked? What happens to Holyfield when he gets clinched and kneed or elbowed in the skull? He'd be done for. Not to say that Holyfield couldn't KO Liddell, but his tools to do it are far fewer.

Once again, striking in boxing does not equal striking in MMA. Granted, guys like Tyson and Lewis most likely strike harder than most MMA guys, and that's mainly due to the fact that they've concentrated on standup. But to say that MMA fighters haven't worked for years on their technique with WORLD class trainers is just ignorant. Many of these top notch boxing trainers have MMA fighters train with them all the time.

Sure....and for the sake of this damn conversation....and THIS DAMN CONVERSATION ONLY. I think it means everything because as stated....Chuck is a striker not a wrestler. You and I both know....that fight would not go to the ground and in fact would be a slugfest. Both guys' forte is punching, and face it.

If you want to talk about fighting dirty.....Holyfield was one of the dirtiest fighters of all time in certain regards. He was never shy to throw a headbut or a hundred whenever he felt like it.


People miss the point on Liddell's ground game. Sure he dosen't use it very often, BUT he has a purple belt in ju-jitsu and an extensive wrestling background, which he uses mainly to get back to his feet from the ground. Obviously, if he's fighting a one dimensional boxer, he's gonna shoot in for the takedown. Why not? A boxer is clueless about anything besides punching. It only makes sense.

That's not the point....the point is.....it sucks. He doesn't use his ground game, and I don't ever remember seeing him sub someone. Sure he's developed a sprawl over time, but it's not like Evander is some type of shoot fighter. As stated the fight would be standing.


If you're serious about the Holyfield by submission statement, then you're totally clueless. CLUELESS. Go post that on Sherdog, or the Underground or any other reputable MMA forum and you'll be laughed and ran out of the place.

Wow, Chuck and his purple belt.

Boxing fans.

Once again, are we talking MMA rules or boxing rules? I'm assuming MMA rules. What happens to Holyfield when he gets kicked? What happens to Holyfield when he gets clinched and kneed or elbowed in the skull? He'd be done for. Not to say that Holyfield couldn't KO Liddell, but his tools to do it are far fewer.

You're so blinded by the whole "MMA v.s. Boxing" issue that you can't even acknowledge this fight for what it is......

Puncher v.s. Puncher. Idiot. Chuck is like a boxer stuck in MMA.

Sure....and for the sake of this damn conversation....and THIS DAMN CONVERSATION ONLY. I think it means everything because as stated....Chuck is a striker not a wrestler. You and I both know....that fight would not go to the ground and in fact would be a slugfest. Both guys' forte is punching, and face it.

If you want to talk about fighting dirty.....Holyfield was one of the dirtiest fighters of all time in certain regards. He was never shy to throw a headbut or a hundred whenever he felt like it.



That's not the point....the point is.....it sucks. He doesn't use his ground game, and I don't ever remember seeing him sub someone. Sure he's developed a sprawl over time, but it's not like Evander is some type of shoot fighter. As stated the fight would be standing.



Wow, Chuck and his purple belt.

LMAO. Do you realize the work it takes to get a legit purple belt in brazillian ju-jitsu? Ignorance again. And yeah, the fight may be stand up for the first bit, but i'd guarantee that Chuck shoots in and takes him down. It only makes sense. On one hand you say that Chuck's ground game sucks, just because you haven't seen him submit somebody, and then on the other hand you say Holyfield would submit Chuck, when Holyfield has ZERO ground game? Dude, what the **** are you talking about? Get a grip here.

LMAO. Do you realize the work it takes to get a legit purple belt in brazillian ju-jitsu? Ignorance again. And yeah, the fight may be stand up for the first bit, but i'd guarantee that Chuck shoots in and takes him down. It only makes sense. On one hand you say that Chuck's ground game sucks, just because you haven't seen him submit somebody, and then on the other hand you say Holyfield would submit Chuck, when Holyfield has ZERO ground game? Dude, what the **** are you talking about? Get a grip here.

You know what's ignorant? is automatically assuming Holyfield has no ground game whatsoever. He's a formidably built guy and I wouldn't put wrestling past him. You know what else is ignorant? You keep calling me a "boxing fan" when I'm not trying to defend boxing. I'm merely pointing out once again.....that you keep denying that Chuck's fight is not on the ground. For what reason? You're blinded by the "Boxing v.s. MMA" issue.

You saw the title and it read "BOXER V.S. MIXED MARTIAL ARTIST" to you.

It's a disease that's been plaguing this forum for a while now. Little did you realize it should have read "BRAWLER V.S. BRAWLER".

I don't think you watch boxing, and I think you're just defending the notion of MMA in general, no so much you actually thinking Chuck can beat Holychamp.

Oh and you have yet to point out where Chuck used his ground game effectively and I'd need an example to further you cause.

You're so blinded by the whole "MMA v.s. Boxing" issue that you can't even acknowledge this fight for what it is......

Puncher v.s. Puncher. Idiot. Chuck is like a boxer stuck in MMA.

First off, you need to watch some more of Chuck's fights. He's far more than just a puncher. Liddell vs Babalu ended with a high kick. Liddell vs Belfort, Belfort got blasted in the ribs with a SPINNING BACK KICK. Fine and dandy, he does throw a hell of a lot of punches, but why not? It works.

And as far as the Boxing vs MMA issue, I really don't think there's an issue at all. There's a percentage of the boxing community that's just plain ignorant and fearful of MMA. That's just the way it is. The boxing fans who are not ignorant, are probably fans of MMA. I'm a fan of fighting and martial arts in general. I can sit down and watch a boxing match, i can sit down and watch a submission grappling contest. And as a fan of all these sports I can say this. Boxing = checkers. MMA = chess. Bottom line.

You know what's ignorant? is automatically assuming Holyfield has no ground game whatsoever. He's a formidably built guy and I wouldn't put wrestling past him. You know what else is ignorant? You keep calling me a "boxing fan" when I'm not trying to defend boxing. I'm merely pointing out once again.....that you keep denying that Chuck's fight is not on the ground. For what reason? You're blinded by the "Boxing v.s. MMA" issue.

You saw the title and it read "BOXER V.S. MIXED MARTIAL ARTIST" to you.

It's a disease that's been plaguing this forum for a while now. Little did you realize it should have read "BRAWLER V.S. BRAWLER".

I don't think you watch boxing, and I think you're just defending the notion of MMA in general, no so much you actually thinking Chuck can beat Holychamp.


LOL. Of course I'm gonna read "BOXER VS MIXED MARTIAL ARTIST". That's what it is! I don't consider Holyfield or Liddell a brawler either. And I've watched boxing and MMA for years. You're grasping at straws here kid. There's no way to prove that either one would beat the other, but what I'm sayin is that Holyfield is NOT an MMA fighter. And even if he knows wrestling, his wrestling is not on the level of Liddells. Put Liddell in a boxing match against Holyfield in his prime, and most likely he'd lose. But in a MMA bout Liddell wins handily.

First off, you need to watch some more of Chuck's fights. He's far more than just a puncher. Liddell vs Babalu ended with a high kick. Liddell vs Belfort, Belfort got blasted in the ribs with a SPINNING BACK KICK. Fine and dandy, he does throw a hell of a lot of punches, but why not? It works.

All ****ing strikes. And I'd hazard to guess I've seen equally as many Lidell fights as you have. And what do you mean "Fine and Dandy". That's the entire point......it is "fine and dandy" because that's how he fights. lol



And as far as the Boxing vs MMA issue, I really don't think there's an issue at all. There's a percentage of the boxing community that's just plain ignorant and fearful of MMA. That's just the way it is. The boxing fans who are not ignorant, are probably fans of MMA. I'm a fan of fighting and martial arts in general. I can sit down and watch a boxing match, i can sit down and watch a submission grappling contest.

Thanks for taking the time to discuss that off topic subject once again.

Now we can get back to talking about Lidell v.s. Holyfield


And as a fan of all these sports I can say this. Boxing = checkers. MMA = chess. Bottom line.

No......

Lidell = Checker

Holyfield = Checker

I don't consider Holyfield or Liddell a brawler either. .

*Inserts a tremendous amount of "haha's" implying laughter.*


Hang yourself. Let me guess.....one is a master boxer the other is a formidable grappler with a pedigree in BJJ?

All ****ing strikes. And I'd hazard to guess I've seen equally as many Lidell fights as you have. And what do you mean "Fine and Dandy". That's the entire point......it is "fine and dandy" because that's how he fights. lol




Thanks for taking the time to discuss that off topic subject once again.

Now we can get back to talking about Lidell v.s. Holyfield



No......

Lidell = Checker

Holyfield = Checker

Well, I've seen all of Liddell's fights, maybe minus one or two that I don't even know if video exists for them. But that's not the point.

The point is, Liddell is mainly a striker in MMA because that's what works for him. He's got an edge in striking over most everybody he faces, so why deviate from the gameplan? If he fought Holyfield, logic states that he would fight on the ground, because Holyfield is clueless on the ground. Sure Holyfield might have wrestled somewhere at some point in his life. But he hasn't trained ground work everyday for YEARS. Even if he trained for a few months, he still wouldn't be at the level Liddell is.

*Inserts a tremendous amount of "haha's" implying laughter.*


Hang yourself. Let me guess.....one is a master boxer the other is a formidable grappler with a pedigree in BJJ?


LOL. Well, in my mind a brawler is somebody with not much technical skill. Not a category I'd put Holyfield in, but you have your opinion. And yes, you're analysis of Liddell is correct. Maybe not a formidable grappler, but compared to Holyfield he's Rickson Gracie.

LOL. Well, in my mind a brawler is somebody with not much technical skill. Not a category I'd put Holyfield in, but you have your opinion. And yes, you're analysis of Liddell is correct. Maybe not a formidable grappler, but compared to Holyfield he's Rickson Gracie.

I can't believe this discussion.

If the topic read "Prime Holyfield V.S. Prime Couture at 205"

I would have laughed at the proposition considering I think Holy would get taken down and subbed bad. There's no way he can compete with that level on the ground.....this just in....remember what he did to Chuck?

This is a fight between Puncher and Puncher and when Randy tried to stand up with Chuck he got knocked the **** out.

We both know who's ground game is superior.

I can't believe this discussion.

If the topic read "Prime Holyfield V.S. Prime Couture at 205"

I would have laughed at the proposition considering I think Holy would get taken down and subbed bad. There's no way he can compete with that level on the ground.....this just in....remember what he did to Chuck?

This is a fight between Puncher and Puncher and when Randy tried to stand up with Chuck he got knocked the **** out.

We both know who's ground game is superior.


And how many people has Randy Couture submitted???? LOL. Couture is a grinder, a clinch fighter and a ground and pounder. He rarely even attempts submissions. The only time I ever saw him submit anybody was Mike Van Arsdale. Liddell has a more extensive submission background than Couture does. Of course Randy's wrestling is superior. He was an Olympic level athlete in greco-roman wrestling. Time to do your research, kid.

If he fought Holyfield, logic states that he would fight on the ground, because Holyfield is clueless on the ground. Sure Holyfield might have wrestled somewhere at some point in his life. But he hasn't trained ground work everyday for YEARS. Even if he trained for a few months, he still wouldn't be at the level Liddell is.


I know Chuck is trained to do these things but he never does. He relies on his natural tendency and that is to exchange punches but keep at his punching range to land straight shots in volume. Some get there and some miss....ones that land are dynamite, but he's sloppy.

Holy has been hit by much better punchers, bigger men, better athletes, and has knocked out guys who have faced better punchers, bigger men, better athletes than Lidell has. We're talking about a guy who is a borderline toughman competitor with a good punch......using that advantage to win fights in the UFC. That's Chuck. It's nothing pretty to look at when he's flailing away....but it's effective. Nonetheless standing up he would get wrecked by Holy with a series of hooking shots.

You seem to also have this notion that Holyfield is like a robot who can't punch if not on balance. That's laughable.

Are you going to tell me that in a street fight Chuck is going to use his purple belt in BJJ to keep a ****ing train from coming at him?

And how many people has Randy Couture submitted???? LOL. Couture is a grinder, a clinch fighter and a ground and pounder. He rarely even attempts submissions. The only time I ever saw him submit anybody was Mike Van Arsdale. Liddell has a more extensive submission background than Couture does. Of course Randy's wrestling is superior. He was an Olympic level athlete in greco-roman wrestling. Time to do your research, kid.

Well, GnP. But I was referring more to the idea that Randy would have the better chance in Subbing Holy than Chuck would because his tendencies are to fight on the ground.

Sorry kid, even if your arguements are good, which they're not too bad, you lost the debate when you said, "Holyfield by submission".

Sorry kid, even if your arguements are good, which they're not too bad, you lost the debate when you said, "Holyfield by submission".

I actually made that statement being fescisious.

If that's even how you spell the word, and if it is one. I was just being spiteful because I couldn't get the message across that Chuck's ground game sucks. It was more of a joke than anything.

And I've never seen Chuck sub a single person, ever.

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Chuck aint doing **** to that Holy. No way.

That version of Holyfield would have beaten anyone in the history of the planet in a fistfight on the street or anywhere on earth.

He was a focused wrecking ball that would have done the same to Lewis....it's too bad he wasn't two years later. And especially in the first fight where he was lethargic and throwing 1 punch at a time. Holy was lucky Eugena Williams ****ed up the scoring or else he'd have another loss.

Lewis couldn't pull that on the street though. There are no Marques de Queensburry rules and I have no idea how anyone including him.....or anyone in MMA....or anyone on earth could keep him from wrecking.

You'd have to hit that version of Holyfield with a baseball bat reapeatedly in the face to stop him.....for sure.

That version of Holyfield would have beaten anyone in the history of the planet in a fistfight on the street or anywhere on earth.

He was a focused wrecking ball that would have done the same to Lewis....it's too bad he wasn't two years later. And especially in the first fight where he was lethargic and throwing 1 punch at a time. Holy was lucky Eugena Williams ****ed up the scoring or else he'd have another loss.

Lewis couldn't pull that on the street though. There are no Marques de Queensburry rules and I have no idea how anyone including him.....or anyone in MMA....or anyone on earth could keep him from wrecking.

You'd have to hit that version of Holyfield with a baseball bat reapeatedly in the face to stop him.....for sure.

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This reminds me of the internet talk back in December 2005 on various MMA boards

Poster 1: I think Mark Hunt has a legit chance of Beating Mirko next week

Poster 2: STFU Noob. CC is gonna take him down in 30 seconds and subs that fatass

Poster 1: Could very well happen but I don’t see Mirko doing that, his natural instincts are to stand up and trade

Poster 2: God didn’t you here what I said STFU already, CroCop is awesome and is gonna sub that 600kg piece of ****

Poster 1: Ok I respect your opinion but I disagree. To each his own I guess.

Poster 2: **** off back to your crappy K1 forum and don’t bother coming back, Mod pls ban him.

6 weeks later when Hunt/Cro Cop match is brought up poster 2 response

Poster 2: I always picked Hunt to win, Mirko is an overrated bum , i've always said this…

When Chuck Liddell was asked how he'd approach a fight with Mike Tyson, Liddell responded (and I'm paraphrasing) 'low single'. lol

Chuck is not opposed to using his wrestling offensively, he took down Pele, Tiger White, Overeem and attempted a takedown on Couture. None of these fighters are even close to being as dangerous as a prime Evander was standing.

chuck easy

people, chill!

For me, i tend to disregard these kinds of questions as any kind of competion between to sports "Whos the most dangerous" yadayada yada..

A strict MMAer will always win against a boxer of equal quality in an MMA match, but hell, a boxer has a better chance in MMA than MMAer in boxing.

Y'all happy now ? :P

But still, this question has alot of merit for those of us who train in fullcontact sports, often there are several opinions on what takes to most of a man, being a grappler or a striker and so on. A boxer has skills no purebreed MMAer could ever dream to accomplish, heck ive had several takedown attempts totally stuffed against regular boxers witouth any grappling experience (new guys at the gym who jump into sparring) by just a stiff jabb.

And in my opinion, fullcontactsports almost always hold true to what works regardless of skill, aslong as the skills match up. had i had better takedowns i would have taken a boxer down, if he reversly improved his jabbs/footwork to deal with it, i might have been stopped a few more times.

Anyone who watched the GSP v Hughes second fight, could notice that there were very little takedown action by hughes, arguably simply by the point that GSP could pressure out Hughes from his gameplan by one of the best MMA striking exhibitions to date, Crocop wouldnt have done a better job!

But i mean, that skill dont just come from GSP playing around with his striking, it requires some serious time devoted to MMA!

And no worldclass boxer could ever compete with that.

If a boxer wants to compete in MMA, he better get down and dirty on the ground, and no six months of hard training goes up to facing the octagon for the real deal.

And i havent even mentioned the clinch or kicks.

This reminds me of the internet talk back in December 2005 on various MMA boards

Poster 1: I think Mark Hunt has a legit chance of Beating Mirko next week

Poster 2: STFU Noob. CC is gonna take him down in 30 seconds and subs that fatass

Poster 1: Could very well happen but I don’t see Mirko doing that, his natural instincts are to stand up and trade

Poster 2: God didn’t you here what I said STFU already, CroCop is awesome and is gonna sub that 600kg piece of ****

Poster 1: Ok I respect your opinion but I disagree. To each his own I guess.

Poster 2: **** off back to your crappy K1 forum and don’t bother coming back, Mod pls ban him.

6 weeks later when Hunt/Cro Cop match is brought up poster 2 response

Poster 2: I always picked Hunt to win, Mirko is an overrated bum , i've always said this…


i honestly had cro-cop winning that fight, along with many people....they gave that fight to mark hunt b/c they were tired of cro-cops ****!