View Full Version : Ali and Cus D'Amato "Duke it Out"


Kid Achilles
02-20-2007, 05:18 PM
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Apologies if it's been posted already.

SABBATH
02-20-2007, 05:49 PM
Kid, you'll have to tell me how to insert the youtube screen in your post.

That's from a Jimmy Jacobs film by the name of Muhammad Ali aka Cassius Clay.

Anyway here's Ali in the film telling Cus how he would beat Joe Louis. Ali is pretty harsh in his assesment of Joe and his opponents. His impression of Louis is pretty funny though.

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Kid Achilles
02-20-2007, 05:55 PM
I've seen Aka Cassius Clay, and I love that film! My favorite Ali documentary might be "The Fighter" dealing with the buildup of the "Fight of the Century" and concluding with the entire first Ali-Frazier fight itself.

Aka is a great one though, I'll have to watch it again sometime soon.

BTW, to insert a video into your post, copy the "Embed" field on youtube.com and then paste it into the message body of your body.

ben41193
02-20-2007, 06:00 PM
I love ali lol......THe funniest fighter a=of all time..

SABBATH
02-20-2007, 06:54 PM
BTW, to insert a video into your post, copy the "Embed" field on youtube.com and then paste it into the message body of your body.
Cool. I edited my last post thanks Kid.

Dempsey 1919
02-20-2007, 07:06 PM
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Apologies if it's been posted already.

Ali looked real out of shape in that clip.

The Surgeon
02-20-2007, 07:41 PM
Thanx for posting all those vids fellas! Quality stuff, really! :biggthump

SABBATH
02-20-2007, 09:37 PM
Ali looked real out of shape in that clip.That clip of Ali fighting the exhibition was in September 1970.

Ali had been inactive for 3 1/2 years but there was talk of Georgia possibly granting him a boxing licence and during that time Ali fought this 8 round exhibition with three different opponents at Morehouse College in Atlanta.

Ali was clearly winded by the third opponent but remember he hadn't started training yet because at the time of the exhibition (which was videotaped to be shown later on ABC Wide World Of Sports) Ali still wasn't licenced. At one point ABC wanted to stop filming because was sluggish and didn't look too impressive.

The clip of Ali 'shoe shining' his opponent with his back to the ropes was the last round where Ali turned it on at the request of Bundini Brown.

"This aint' no godamn exhibition. This the Resurrection." - Muhammad Ali

Ali got a boxing licence the next week and fought Quarry 6 weeks later.

Kid Achilles
02-20-2007, 10:10 PM
Ali taking on Quarry as his first opponent after the layoff ranks as such an impressive feat to me. Quarry was a very dangerous opponent for anyone to take on, especially with any kind of potential ring rust.

Do you know if Quarry was even much of an underdog? I'd imagine the betting would have been pretty close on that fight at the time.

Yogi
02-20-2007, 10:17 PM
Do you know if Quarry was even much of an underdog? I'd imagine the betting would have been pretty close on that fight at the time.

17 to 5 in favour of Ali (lots of late money on him...a week earlier it was 5 to 2), so says the same day reports of the odds for the fight.

Benny Leonard
02-21-2007, 02:12 AM
Ali taking on Quarry as his first opponent after the layoff ranks as such an impressive feat to me. Quarry was a very dangerous opponent for anyone to take on, especially with any kind of potential ring rust.

Do you know if Quarry was even much of an underdog? I'd imagine the betting would have been pretty close on that fight at the time.

That's what makes Ali so great: His physical attributes declined in exile, and he still was able to come back and beat who he beat Great fighters.

Ali has the best resume for a Heavyweight.

Yogi
02-21-2007, 03:46 AM
"If I had a lower IQ, I could enjoy your conversation." - so says Ali

Uh, Muhammad...your previously tested IQ score was only just above "mental retardation" according to the Simon-Binet Scale, so it's probably not a good idea even considering having a lower IQ.

SABBATH
02-21-2007, 05:51 AM
"If I had a lower IQ, I could enjoy your conversation." - so says Ali

Uh, Muhammad...your previously tested IQ score was only just above "mental retardation" according to the Simon-Binet Scale, so it's probably not a good idea even considering having a lower IQ.That was based on his Army IQ test.

Ali is mildly dyslexic and as a result semi-illiterate. That wouldn't exactly translate well into a standardized IQ test. In addition there is always the possibilty Ali purposely 'flunked' that exam to avoid Army service.

"I said I was the Greatest, not the smartest." - Muhammad Ali

Anyone who has sampled Ali's wit, his ability to deliver speeches or debate the 'educated' regarding political issues of his era would agree that Ali is hardly a mere notch above "mental retardation."

Benny Leonard
02-21-2007, 03:07 PM
"If I had a lower IQ, I could enjoy your conversation." - so says Ali

Uh, Muhammad...your previously tested IQ score was only just above "mental retardation" according to the Simon-Binet Scale, so it's probably not a good idea even considering having a lower IQ.

So just because you can't read means you are not smart?

You can learn through Oral learning.

How many people at Harvard can achieve what Ali achieved at Boxing?

There are a number of athletes that probably can't read well, but can perform great in there work.

If Ali couldn't read, it says something about the Educational System.

While we are talking about the ability to read , look at our ENGLISH LANGUAGE.

How many words in our language do not sound like they spell?

What is with all the silent letters?

Brassangel
02-21-2007, 11:41 PM
It was interesting to watch Cus time Ali's style with counterpunches that, had he been young or in any kind of shape other than that of an old man, would have landed. Ali's reply was simply, "No, Frazier ain't that fast," or, "He don't fight that way...".

Ali's demonstration of smack talk was mighty entertaining!

Yogi
02-23-2007, 12:11 PM
That was based on his Army IQ test.

Ali is mildly dyslexic and as a result semi-illiterate. That wouldn't exactly translate well into a standardized IQ test. In addition there is always the possibilty Ali purposely 'flunked' that exam to avoid Army service.

"I said I was the Greatest, not the smartest." - Muhammad Ali

Anyone who has sampled Ali's wit, his ability to deliver speeches or debate the 'educated' regarding political issues of his era would agree that Ali is hardly a mere notch above "mental retardation."

LOL.

Ah, come on, man...When Ali leaves an opening such as he did in that video, can't I take the opportunity to poke fun at the guy just one single time without you coming in to defend him?

Hey, you might be proud of me (or not), as not even a week ago I picked up a copy (in suprisingly perfect condition) of "My Own Story" from a used book store for only a mere 99 cents...It's been quite a few years since I last read it, so maybe one of these days I'll have to do so again.

P.S. I like your username, Ol' Wizardry One, and welcome.

SABBATH
02-23-2007, 10:32 PM
P.S. I like your username, Ol' Wizardry One, and welcome.
???.....You lost me.

Brockton Lip
02-23-2007, 10:38 PM
???.....You lost me.

I thought he meant Benny Leonard, but I wasn't too sure either.

Yogi
02-23-2007, 10:53 PM
I thought he meant Benny Leonard

That's affirmative.

SABBATH
02-23-2007, 11:05 PM
That's affirmative.
Right. Ghetto Wizard. I didn't see his post and I'm tired.

Yogi
02-23-2007, 11:58 PM
I'm tired.

I know that feeling all too well as of late, my friend, as I've been what seems like a perennial state of exhaustion for like the last week or two (maybe more...*shrugs*). Working way too much lately and today I just had to say "**** it, we're not working today"...A long weekend of laziness & sleep is going to be great, no doubt, and I'm definately taking advantage of it.

*deep sigh of content*