Now,that you guys say that both Wladimir and Evander are shot. Who do you think would win a fight between these two?

I pick Wladimir by TKO.

i dont think holy can take the kinda punishment he would have to take to beat him.... not at 42 years old.....

Now,that you guys say that both Wladimir and Evander are shot. Who do you think would win a fight between these two?

I pick Wladimir by TKO.

I don't know what morons you've been talking to, dude, but Wlad is FAR from shot. His confidence got a little rattled, but he's young and he'll get over it. His next fight with Goofi will put him into a mandatory with Brewster. So basically, two more fights and Wlad's got a belt.

Very sadly and this makes me want to cry saying this but i don't think he'd last a Wladimir onslaught. :( Wladimir may not be brilliant but Evander is 42 now and has been past his sell by date for the last few years. No disrespect to James Toney but if he had the power to stop Evander then Wladimir has the power to hurt him worse. Holyfield is too easy to hit now he's older and thats not good at all, especially fighting younger fighters with more stamina.

holy probably isnt even going to beat larry donald

holy probably isnt even going to beat larry donald

Now i really an upset. He should retire and relax because no man deserves it more out of the heavyweights than he does. His epic fights with Bowe were over 10 years ago and he was in his prime then. Time flys and he just doesn't want to let go.

I don't know what morons you've been talking to, dude, but Wlad is FAR from shot. His confidence got a little rattled, but he's young and he'll get over it. His next fight with Goofi will put him into a mandatory with Brewster. So basically, two more fights and Wlad's got a belt.

By the way, I've always liked Wladimir although he is not the same fighter he was back in 2002. The morons you mentioned you should know,because they are all over this forum.

Wlad Isnt Shot ...... Yet

However, That Confidence Needs To Come Back, If It Doesnt, Then Hes Screwed

And As For Winning A Belt, If He Does That Fighting The Way He Does These Days Then It Will Be A Sad Day For Boxing

im tempted to go wlad based on youth here
but.....
sanders was no spring chicken when he ko'd wlad
and i think holy has more desire for a win like this
wlad seems to have trouble when guys bring it to him
and we all know holy is defintly goin to try to bring it to wlad and check that chin
i pick holy by ko in a match that sees wlad landin early but soon tiring and huggin as much as humanly possible
holy beguns to pull away a ripe shots to his head and body

i dont think holy hits as hard as sanders or can take the punishment brewster took.... we will never see this fight BTW....

Why is everyone saying that Wlad is not the same fighter he was after 1 performance against a defensive fighter when it is hard to look for him to look good against defensive fighters. Once again, just look at the Shufford fight.

im not saying holy hits as hard as sanders
but cant take what brewster took?
this is holy he takes as well if not better then he gives
and either way i dont think wlad now is the same as the wlad those guys fought
i pick holy by ko cuz of his relentless pressure

back in the day, holy could take that kinda punishment... but today at 42, holy can be broken down.....

im not saying holy hits as hard as sanders
but cant take what brewster took?
this is holy he takes as well if not better then he gives
and either way i dont think wlad now is the same as the wlad those guys fought
i pick holy by ko cuz of his relentless pressure

Holyfield showed just how much punishment he is capable of taking now with his last performance against Toney.

Holyfield showed just how much punishment he is capable of taking now with his last performance against Toney.

I agree, getting stopped by Toney at heavyweight isn't a good sign because he hasn't got the power of a natural heavyweight has.

Prime Holyfield vs Wlad isn't even worth debate. Holyfield would beat him on guts and stamina alone. At this point, Wlad is much too young and has too much power for gramps Holyfield. I would be surprised if Holyfield doesn't get knocked out.

Wlad by KO inside of 9 rounds.

It hurts so bad to see Evander still fighting. A prime Holyfield makes a prime Wlad his girlfriend in about 6 rounds, Wlad, i still consider him in his prime despite the recent setbacks, he would put an Ivan Drago beatdown on Evander, but Evander is too old and slow to deal with it. :(

evander can still, even now, wup a guy who can't box.

evander can still, even now, wup a guy who can't box.


true, but no matter how little you think of Wlad, trust me, he can box.

Its hard to say this, but wlad will win by TKO within 6 rounds if he goes in the ring with confidence

Do any of you guys agree with me that Evander is overtrained??? He looks like he is in great shape but then in his last few fights, and earlier in his career in some fights he just didn't seem to have any stamina!!! I also wonder if the heart ailment is back!!! :(

im tempted to go wlad based on youth here
but.....
sanders was no spring chicken when he ko'd wlad
and i think holy has more desire for a win like this
wlad seems to have trouble when guys bring it to him
and we all know holy is defintly goin to try to bring it to wlad and check that chin
i pick holy by ko in a match that sees wlad landin early but soon tiring and huggin as much as humanly possible
holy beguns to pull away a ripe shots to his head and body
i agree with everything you said. holy has too much heart to quit he might get knocked down 3-4 times but wlad will tire and holy will take advantage and win by tko.

i agree with everything you said. holy has too much heart to quit he might get knocked down 3-4 times but wlad will tire and holy will take advantage and win by tko.

Holyfield's corner would stop the fight way before he got KD 3-4 times.

Do any of you guys agree with me that Evander is overtrained??? He looks like he is in great shape but then in his last few fights, and earlier in his career in some fights he just didn't seem to have any stamina!!! I also wonder if the heart ailment is back!!! :(

Perhaps you missed the memo on Holyfield. He is going to be 42 in 6 days.

Wlad may or may not be the world beater he could have been, but put him in the ring with someone who does not have much punching power left and we will see the Wlad of old. This would be a horrible fight. Holyfield could get hurt bad, and it will do nothing for Wlad's career or confidence. Wlad need to step up against the best right now and let everyone know if he can stand or if he falls. I am tired of defending Wlad, time for the pretty boy to show up or shut up.

Very good matchup which could be exciting. I am surprised Vital does not want to fight Holyfield ageing ex champion that is shot. Two shot fighters like Holyfield and Wladmir can bring some excitment into the divison

Perhaps you missed the memo on Holyfield. He is going to be 42 in 6 days.


I realize that but look at how he looks physically!!! He hasn't always been 42!!! But many times he didn't have any stamina!!!

he looks in great shape, but his skills, timing and reactions have eroded... he can no longer fight 3 full minutes of every round, he doesnt put enough punches together anymore and all though he's always been one to get hit, he's getting hit even more now....

i dont think holy can take the kinda punishment he would have to take to beat him.... not at 42 years old.....

What kind of punishment does it take to beat Wlad? Evander isnt Lamon Brewster!!! He will hit Wlad before the 4th rd. I think Evander would beat Wlads ass rather easily to be honest. I would like to see this fight. This would be perfect to get Evanders career going again.

Evander is done by the 4th round. Just remember the fight vs Toney. He did ok until the 4th round and then Toney took him to school.

Evander is done by the 4th round. Just remember the fight vs Toney. He did ok until the 4th round and then Toney took him to school.

So both of their asses would just pass out in the middle of the ring in Rd 4. LOL!

Wlad may or may not be the world beater he could have been, but put him in the ring with someone who does not have much punching power left and we will see the Wlad of old. This would be a horrible fight. Holyfield could get hurt bad, and it will do nothing for Wlad's career or confidence. Wlad need to step up against the best right now and let everyone know if he can stand or if he falls. I am tired of defending Wlad, time for the pretty boy to show up or shut up.



my thoughts exactly

What kind of punishment does it take to beat Wlad? Evander isnt Lamon Brewster!!! He will hit Wlad before the 4th rd. I think Evander would beat Wlads ass rather easily to be honest. I would like to see this fight. This would be perfect to get Evanders career going again.


evander has only won 2 out of his last 8 fights.... brewster took a major ass whippin in his fight with wlad... i dont see evander with his shot skills and stamina winning.... sanders is the only guy to blow out wlad and holy is nothing like sanders...

holyfield throws alot of punches unlike brewster and he might have the best chinn of all time... n i dont even like holyfield

He may have had as in past tense. He is almost 42. He crumbled like a broken old man from Toney's soft punches.

If Wlad doesn't regain his confidence, Holyfield still has so much heart
that i can see him hanging around, even if Wlad knocks him down several times. i'll be willing to bet he watched Wlad against Brewster, and thought, " I got more heart and talent than Brewster,". Holy took a hell of a beating from James Toney and refused to go down, Holyfield still has a champion's heart if nothing else

If Wlad doesn't regain his confidence, Holyfield still has so much heart
that i can see him hanging around, even if Wlad knocks him down several times. i'll be willing to bet he watched Wlad against Brewster, and thought, " I got more heart and talent than Brewster,". Holy took a hell of a beating from James Toney and refused to go down, Holyfield still has a champion's heart if nothing else

Toney doesn't have anywhere near the power Wlad has, and like I've said before, Holyfield's corner would never let Wlad KD Holyfield several times without throwing in the towel.

hopefully, Holy's corner will throw in the towel. He's the kind of
fighter they have to look out for... Toney may not have Wlad's power but
he lands a lot more punches. You don't have to be a big puncher if u
can feed the other guy a lot of leather!

Holy said on his site that he now does very limited roadwork, and works mostly on his hand speed in his training, and relies on diet and supplements to keep his weight where he wants it. If he ran like he did before, he might shed some of that weight he thinks is helping him, but that might explain some of the stamina issues he's had in recent years.

Holy said on his site that he now does very limited roadwork, and works mostly on his hand speed in his training, and relies on diet and supplements to keep his weight where he wants it. If he ran like he did before, he might shed some of that weight he thinks is helping him, but that might explain some of the stamina issues he's had in recent years.


I knew something was up with his stamina!!! This explains a lot to me.

Evander is one of my favorites fighters, and now at his age he only has his heart, I have to go for the bigger, stronger, younger guy by TKO

I had to make sure the dates of all of these posts were in 2004 and not back in 2000 or so when Vlad was a monster. Obviously, you guys didn't see him fight Williams. He was scared to death. Anytime Williams looked liked he was gonna throw a punch he would run. If not for that cut, he was going to get knocked out yet again. Holyfield is old, true enough, but no way could he last 3 or 4 good rounds with Holyfield. After the 5 or 6th round, it is anyone's game because stamina will plagued them both. I hear everyone yelling "IF" he gets his confidence back. It doesn't seem like it is gonna happen. If he can't make light work of lower tier fighters like Williams who is known for having a glass chin, who else is there to fight to give him some confidence.undefined

I am picking Holyfield even though he is old, because I believe that he could go a good 7 rounds. Wlad always seems tired right away.

I am picking Holyfield even though he is old, because I believe that he could go a good 7 rounds. Wlad always seems tired right away.


Holyfield can go a good 7 rounds, but how many of those rounds are going to be good with the best jab in the heavyweight division in his face? he will get eaten alive at this point against Wlad. Plain and simple

Wlad by tko. Holyfield is just too old

I really don't like saying the two names in the same sentence.

Wlad by tko. Holyfield is just too old

I really don't like saying the two names in the same sentence.


i know. it is horrible. heavyweights should just phase Evander out, for his own good. but most are too greedy to pass on a chance to feed on a washed up legend.

Was Holyfield able to go a good 7 rounds against Toney? I don't think so.

Paddio, The man wasn't scared, he was just fighting at a slower pace, as Emmanuel was instructing him to do. When Williams caught him with that right, and he went down(technically), he came back in that round, and IMO, it should have been even, or 10-9 for Williams, as he did nothing in that round except land that right on a lunging Wlad. I don't see how some of you guys could miss the fact that Williams ran for most of the fight. If it was Toney, and I can't stand that bastard, I would at least give him credit for winning a hard to score fight, if it was one, Wlad's wasn't even close, alot of guys are saying 'I told you so" just because Williams didn't end up in a coma, and I don't think that's fair.

Evander is for certain one of my favorite fighters, and will be from now on, regardless of his ranking. That being said, I hope this fight never happens, as even though Wlad isn't much taller than Bowe, he still fights much bigger than Bowe, and it would be a much different fight than with Bowe, and at this stage of Evander's career, it would spell disaster for the real deal.

Paddio, The man wasn't scared, he was just fighting at a slower pace, as Emmanuel was instructing him to do. When Williams caught him with that right, and he went down(technically), he came back in that round, and IMO, it should have been even, or 10-9 for Williams, as he did nothing in that round except land that right on a lunging Wlad. I don't see how some of you guys could miss the fact that Williams ran for most of the fight. If it was Toney, and I can't stand that bastard, I would at least give him credit for winning a hard to score fight, if it was one, Wlad's wasn't even close, alot of guys are saying 'I told you so" just because Williams didn't end up in a coma, and I don't think that's fair.

All three judges scored the 4th round 10-9.

Ah, thanks, I couldn't remember, I just remember Williams talking about Wlad holding, that the ref should have taken away a point, and all that BS... lol

Ah, thanks, I couldn't remember, I just remember Williams talking about Wlad holding, that the ref should have taken away a point, and all that BS... lol


Isn't his name William-SON??? ;)