Just watched this vid for the first time:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_2pvIMalLM&mode=related&search=

Willard was 6ft 6" and 240lbs but the way Dempsey laid into him is ****ing awesome - knocked him down 7 times in the first round (no standing eight count and no neutral corner at that time) and battered him in the next two, despite getting knocked outta the ring himself. You only have to see his face and you know you don't wanna mess with Dempsey - he looks like a serial killer!

Willard had unbelievable guts though - he got murdered with vicious punches, ended up with broken ribs, fractured jaw and cheekbone and blood everywhere but still didn't give in.

I think these old time boxers had far more courage than most guys nowdays.

Thanks for that Dempsey book post - I never knew anything about the guy until I looked him up and now he's one of my favs.

Dempsey is one of my all time favorite boxers, perhaps my absolute favorite. Just hearing the name Dempsey makes me want to throw down with someone. The guy was the personification of everything that interests me about boxing. Primal strength and instincts, individualism, and an incredibly strong will. Dempsey will always be at the top of the mountain to me.

'Definitely', I agree.

ESPN Classic is talking about him right now.

yeah im becoming more a fan of dempsey. getting up there with tyson. him and rocky marciano. guess its the size thing and the aggression

Kid aches favourite fighters are greb and dempsey, damn he knows how to find talent, lol.

Willard had unbelievable guts though - he got murdered with vicious punches, ended up with broken ribs, fractured jaw and cheekbone and blood everywhere but still didn't give in.

I think these old time boxers had far more courage than most guys nowdays.


yeah most dont nowadays.....but back then even though he was getting the **** beat outta him, the crowd shouted and called willard a quitter after that..but now a fighter can quit on his stool and its not so frowned upon

yeah most dont nowadays.....but back then even though he was getting the **** beat outta him, the crowd shouted and called willard a quitter after that..but now a fighter can quit on his stool and its not so frowned upon

SLEAZYFELLOW!!!! Where ya been? The boxing scene classic has returned...............Rockin':boxing:

in and out of sa to austin, my woman is putting my balls on the chopping block recently, and i dont have regular access to the computer, i want at least 1000 damn post on here...taking me forever to get it

in and out of sa to austin, my woman is putting my balls on the chopping block recently, and i dont have regular access to the computer, i want at least 1000 damn post on here...taking me forever to get it
well, its cool to have you sleazing up or threads again. Gotta love the sleazy fellow!..................Rockin':boxing:

and yes, Exige is still in need of that bottle................Rockin':boxing:

in and out of sa to austin, my woman is putting my balls on the chopping block recently, and i dont have regular access to the computer, i want at least 1000 damn post on here...taking me forever to get it

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dude, you cant tell sleazy fellow to stfu because.....well, hes just so sleazy. Best character on the site...................Rockin':boxing:

im checking him on yahoo messenger right now. he knows whats up.:cool:

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oops, just saw his reply in your sparring thread, my bad..............Rockin':boxing:

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Jack Dempsey is one of the most overrated champs in heavyweight history now listen to "thegames" breakdown. The title yrs.

Jess Willard
Dempsey wins the title in brutal fashion against big Jess Willard i got to give him props he put on a good performance against the towering 6'6 245 willard. however it should be remember that willard was 38 yrs old and had not fought in nearly 3 yrs. And this fight is no indication to the myth that dempsey would eat up modern great big men like Bowe or Lewis for instance as jess was a slow crude fighter uncomparable to great modern big men.

Billy Miske
Dempsey defeated Miske by ko3. But was Miske a great heavy by no means. The man has losses to middleweight harry greb multiple times, and fighters who challenge for the heavyweight title don't lose to middleweights.

Bill Brennan
Another fighter who challenged for the title who lost to middleweights another man Dempsey feasted on. Again it seems many of dempsey's heavyweight defenses were against guys who were losing against middleweights.

Georges Carpentier
A lightheavyweight fighter who weighed 172 lbs in there match. This is by no means a big win for a heavyweight champion if this win is to be counted as a big win then all the heavies that beat bob foster should have foster's name mentioned as a great win on there resume.

Jimmy Darcy
The man had a record of 40-33-33 which is **** str8 up. It was a 4 round fight which dempsey won on points another ****ty title defense.

Tommy Gibbons
Another light heavy whom dempsey defended against. Dempsey won a 15 round decision. Nothing about this performace speaks of greatness.

Luis Firpo
A big puncher but at the same time awfully crude fighter. Had a intense slugfest with dempsey and some claim had him out had dempsey not been helped into the ring. Firpo was no better than the big one dimensional punchers like razor ruddock of modern times for instance.

Gene Tunney
Lightheavyweight great defeats dempsey in a decision.

Now take a look at that brief summary of his title years. The man defended against lightheavyweights or heavies who were losing to middleweights. And lost his title to a light heavy. I see Tyson getting dissed he beat nobody man i tell u tony tucker, bruno, pinklon thomas, ruddock weren't losing to middleweights. And also Tyson gets dissed for the spinks win as it gets discredited that spinks was a frightened light heavy well spinks was one of the greatest lightheavies ever and u seen how tyson handled him and spinks weighed well in the heavyweight division unlike 172 lbs of carpentier. Tunney a lightheavy to the title from dempsey. Double standard when dempsey's fights against light heavy's aren't discredited but tyson's amazing performance to beat the undefeated spinks is. Lets give all the heavyweights that beat bob foster big time props.

Dempsey's comp is not impressive its one of the worst ever. The man had one of the worst title runs ever, he avoided the black challengers and i don't care about the circumstances he didn't fight the best guys out there in his period by drawing the color line which has to be held against him. So instead of defending the title against Harry Wills i guess dempsey gets a pass for fighting jimmy darcy or light heavies or heavies losing to middleweights.

Dempsey was a mainstream cultural icon of the roaring 20's and that has overrated him to fans of later eras who remember the olden days with nostagia.

Jack Dempsey is one of the most overrated champs in heavyweight history now listen to "thegames" breakdown. The title yrs.

Jess Willard
Dempsey wins the title in brutal fashion against big Jess Willard i got to give him props he put on a good performance against the towering 6'6 245 willard. however it should be remember that willard was 38 yrs old and had not fought in nearly 3 yrs. And this fight is no indication to the myth that dempsey would eat up modern great big men like Bowe or Lewis for instance as jess was a slow crude fighter uncomparable to great modern big men.

Billy Miske
Dempsey defeated Miske by ko3. But was Miske a great heavy by no means. The man has losses to middleweight harry greb multiple times, and fighters who challenge for the heavyweight title don't lose to middleweights.

Bill Brennan
Another fighter who challenged for the title who lost to middleweights another man Dempsey feasted on. Again it seems many of dempsey's heavyweight defenses were against guys who were losing against middleweights.

Georges Carpentier
A lightheavyweight fighter who weighed 172 lbs in there match. This is by no means a big win for a heavyweight champion if this win is to be counted as a big win then all the heavies that beat bob foster should have foster's name mentioned as a great win on there resume.

Jimmy Darcy
The man had a record of 40-33-33 which is **** str8 up. It was a 4 round fight which dempsey won on points another ****ty title defense.

Tommy Gibbons
Another light heavy whom dempsey defended against. Dempsey won a 15 round decision. Nothing about this performace speaks of greatness.

Luis Firpo
A big puncher but at the same time awfully crude fighter. Had a intense slugfest with dempsey and some claim had him out had dempsey not been helped into the ring. Firpo was no better than the big one dimensional punchers like razor ruddock of modern times for instance.

Gene Tunney
Lightheavyweight great defeats dempsey in a decision.

Now take a look at that brief summary of his title years. The man defended against lightheavyweights or heavies who were losing to middleweights. And lost his title to a light heavy. I see Tyson getting dissed he beat nobody man i tell u tony tucker, bruno, pinklon thomas, ruddock weren't losing to middleweights. And also Tyson gets dissed for the spinks win as it gets discredited that spinks was a frightened light heavy well spinks was one of the greatest lightheavies ever and u seen how tyson handled him and spinks weighed well in the heavyweight division unlike 172 lbs of carpentier. Tunney a lightheavy to the title from dempsey. Double standard when dempsey's fights against light heavy's aren't discredited but tyson's amazing performance to beat the undefeated spinks is. Lets give all the heavyweights that beat bob foster big time props.

Dempsey's comp is not impressive its one of the worst ever. The man had one of the worst title runs ever, he avoided the black challengers and i don't care about the circumstances he didn't fight the best guys out there in his period by drawing the color line which has to be held against him. So instead of defending the title against Harry Wills i guess dempsey gets a pass for fighting jimmy darcy or light heavies or heavies losing to middleweights.

Dempsey was a mainstream cultural icon of the roaring 20's and that has overrated him to fans of later eras who remember the olden days with nostagia.

yo thegame, i think its about time you do one for good ole human windmill harry greb. I hear people saying he's better than hagler, please.

Jack johnson and dempsey aren't top 10 and its the ****in truth.

yo thegame, i think its about time you do one for good ole human windmill harry greb. I hear people saying he's better than hagler, please.

Jack johnson and dempsey aren't top 10 and its the ****in truth.

why are you agreeing with your alt brownpimp? :ugh:

why are you agreeing with your alt brownpimp? :ugh:

you wanna do an ip check there smartguy.

yo thegame, i think its about time you do one for good ole human windmill harry greb. I hear people saying he's better than hagler, please.

Jack johnson and dempsey aren't top 10 and its the ****in truth.

clearly you know more than all the experienced posters here put together!


the first time i heard the name 'jack dempsey' it was a tropical fish i bought! The fiosh was so named because it would stnad toe to toe with even much larger fish and inevitibly beat them up!

dempsey was an animal in the ring but at the same time quite technical

you wanna do an ip check there smartguy.


took offense at that didn't you.

seems strange how someone randomly joined up and voiced your exact oppinions and then 5 minutes later you are the first to reply in an ass licking manner.

took offense at that didn't you.

seems strange how someone randomly joined up and voiced your exact oppinions and then 5 minutes later you are the first to reply in an ass licking manner.

:lol1:....

Dempsey was an ''animal'' but looked like superman against Willard because of the rules back then. No standing 8 count. I am more used to watching fight from the newer Era's, so seeing Willard get no chance at all to get to his sences, no 8 count, just hanging on the ropes before Dempsey could swarm back all over him. Nevertheless, Dempsey was an Animal and he would have finished the job anyhow that day.

Awesome bravery by Willard too. I think we should use George's phrase as ''Heart of a Lion!'' and then point at Willard.

you wanna do an ip check there smartguy.

** Already did an IQ check and it came back Zip as in 0-0-0.:duh:

There is no denying dempsey was a ferocious aggressive fighter however his legacy and greatness has been overrated and blown up and that is fact.

There is no denying dempsey was a ferocious aggressive fighter however his legacy and greatness has been overrated and blown up and that is fact.

He's still good enough to be at least mentioned in the top ten, that's for sure.

Top 10's are all about Legacy and Accomplishments. Dempsey sure as hell cracks the Top 5 at most people's lists, a lot in the Top 3 too.

Top 10's are all about Legacy and Accomplishments. Dempsey sure as hell cracks the Top 5 at most people's lists, a lot in the Top 3 too.

Even in head-to-head, he's in there as well.

Explosive, dominating fighters always stand a chance in the head-to-head department. Dempsey was a great champion in the early stages of a developmental time for heavyweight boxing. The first ones are never forgotten. Even if he may not be able to stand up to champions of more recent years (because of training, diets, size, etc.), he will rank among the top forever. He was a tough and savage SOB; no if's and's or but's.

He aint top 10 head to head, niether is jack johnson. This is top 10 and sabbath agrees with me.

ali
holmes
louis
foreman
lewis
marciano
frazier
tyson
holyfield
liston

Lennox Lewis for all his accomplishments in the ring will never be remembered as a boxing legend in the same way as Dempsey, Ali, Marciano, etc are.

He aint top 10 head to head, niether is jack johnson. This is top 10 and sabbath agrees with me.

ali
holmes
louis
foreman
lewis
marciano
frazier
tyson
holyfield
liston

you put Holyfield above Liston? Marciano and Frazier above Tyson?

you put Holyfield above Liston? Marciano and Frazier above Tyson?

its random order, those guys are the 10 best. When will people realize that dempsey's resume sucks ass.

He aint top 10 head to head, niether is jack johnson. This is top 10 and sabbath agrees with me.

ali
holmes
louis
foreman
lewis
marciano
frazier
tyson
holyfield
liston

Ok, first of all you have Liston waaay too low. Second, Holyfield should not even be one the list, and you have Marciano too high as well.

its random order, those guys are the 10 best. When will people realize that dempsey's resume sucks ass.


When will you realise boxing history is for people with multiple brain cells?

When will you realise boxing history is for people with multiple brain cells?

who did dempsey beat smart guy? Wow he beat two average light heavyweights and 3 average heavyweights like firpo, willard and shrkey. Yep thats top 10 of all times, lol.

who did dempsey beat smart guy? Wow he beat two average light heavyweights and 3 average heavyweights like firpo, willard and shrkey. Yep thats top 10 of all times, lol.

You can rip apart any fighters career if you try smart guy. Your just showing simple hate and lack of understanding towards the fighters of the period.

You can rip apart any fighters career if you try smart guy. Your just showing simple hate and lack of understanding towards the fighters of the period.

no i'm not, the other 10 guys on the list are better, its as simple as that.

Hey butterfly, holyfield beat tyson twice, bowe, moorer, buster douglas, pinklon thomas, michael dokes, qawi twice,larry holmes, george foreman, ray mercer and several other guys. Why should i rank liston higher? Cuz he beat floyd twice, be realistic ok, holy has the better resume.

Holyfield was a small Heavyweight coming into the first Era that had Giants in the devision. And those Giants could really Box. So even though his reign as a Champion(I mean what he did when he actually had the belt) has never reallly been long enough, i give him a lot of Credit. Liston has the better Legacy though.

Dempsey howveer was a true Legend, and still(Most of his fans died out, i mean the ones who called him the greatest, and new fighters like Louis, Ali, Marciano etc, have taken many people's hearts as being the Greatest) has many people who put him very high. He has a legendrary legacy, and that alone is enough for the Top 10 imo.

no i'm not, the other 10 guys on the list are better, its as simple as that.

** It's simple for a simpleton, that's simple enough.

You don't count Holy's losses against him, 8 losses in 50 fights, 10-5-2 in heavy title fights. Some great comp, but not always great results.

** It's simple for a simpleton, that's simple enough.

You don't count Holy's losses against him, 8 losses in 50 fights, 10-5-2 in heavy title fights. Some great comp, but not always great results.

4 of those losses came when he was 39 and over, lol.

no i'm not, the other 10 guys on the list are better, its as simple as that.

Hey butterfly, holyfield beat tyson twice, bowe, moorer, buster douglas, pinklon thomas, michael dokes, qawi twice,larry holmes, george foreman, ray mercer and several other guys. Why should i rank liston higher? Cuz he beat floyd twice, be realistic ok, holy has the better resume.

Liston destroyed Floyd Patterson twice, Cleveland Williams twice, Zora Folley, beat Eddie machen, Bethea, DeJohn, and just about every heavyweigth that mattered at the time. He beat his opponents more convincingly that Holyfield beat his, plus a lot of Holy's comp were past their primes. Liston beat the crop of heavyweights in his day when they all were in their primes.

Liston destroyed Floyd Patterson twice, Cleveland Williams twice, Zora Folley, beat Eddie machen, Bethea, DeJohn, and just about every heavyweigth that mattered at the time. He beat his opponents more convincingly that Holyfield beat his, plus a lot of Holy's comp were past their primes. Liston beat the crop of heavyweights in his day when they all were in their primes.

I'm sorry bro, holyfiled has the better resume whether you like it or not.

I'm sorry bro, holyfiled has the better resume whether you like it or not.

Against foreman and Holmes both were over 40. A layoff-ridden Tyson, a fat unmotivated Buster Douglass, yeah great wins. Plus Thomas and mercer are not in the class of Floyd Patterson, Cleveland Williams, and Eddie Machen.

Against foreman and Holmes both were over 40. A layoff-ridden Tyson, a fat unmotivated Buster Douglass, yeah great wins. Plus Thomas and mercer are not in the class of Floyd Patterson, Cleveland Williams, and Eddie Machen.

what makes eddie machen and cleveland williams so special, lol they just contenders pal nothing more. That 1996 tyson would have still ko'd floyd patterson, riddick bowe would kick floyd's ass too.

So all contenders are created equal. Except the ones Tyson fought, they were special. All that coke gave them the edge, didn't it?

So all contenders are created equal. Except the ones Tyson fought, they were special. All that coke gave them the edge, didn't it?

:lol1:

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:lol1:

:fing02:...

yep dodge the question, u know bowe and tyson would smash patterson 10/10 times.

yep dodge the question, u know bowe and tyson would smash patterson 10/10 times.

I didn't say they wouldn't.

I posted this in nonstop and got one reply. I slept on the history forum :nonono:

I posted this in nonstop and got one reply. I slept on the history forum :nonono:

That's why this my favorite section in BS!:banana:

in "real" HW championshio fights Holyfield is 5-3-1 the rest is alphabet bull****, he was shot by the time he fought lewis, so closer to his prime he would be 5-2-0

of course holy fought in one of the deepest era of the division, dempsey definitely did not

in "real" HW championshio fights Holyfield is 5-3-1 the rest is alphabet bull****, he was shot by the time he fought lewis, so closer to his prime he would be 5-2-0

If holy wasnt the real champ from 96-99, then who was? The old ass george foreman? lennox lewis?

If holy wasnt the real champ from 96-99, then who was? The old ass george foreman? lennox lewis?


according to linear rules, Foreman was champ from 94 - 97 and then it was Briggs until Lennox beat him.

according to linear rules, Foreman was champ from 94 - 97 and then it was Briggs until Lennox beat him.

Yeah but according to ring, it was holyfield. Either way, i value who u beat over linear fights. Dempsey was a big fish in a small pond. Well, that pond would have been bigger if we saw harry wills, langford, godfrey and others get title shots.

Yeah but according to ring, it was holyfield. Either way, i value who u beat over linear fights. Dempsey was a big fish in a small pond. Well, that pond would have been bigger if we saw harry wills, langford, godfrey and others get title shots.

No, after Vitali retired, they had an article talking about "linear champs", and they listed Shannon Briggs as one of them.

They may have not recognized Briggs back then, but they now say he was a HW champ.