well yeah uhhhhhhhh me sparring.
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u look a bit nervous (both fighters do really)jst slow everythin down, u look good so far man

u look a bit nervous (both fighters do really)jst slow everythin down, u look good so far man

nervous not really. i just have to hold back alot and im a straight at u kinda guy. which doesnt mix.

Well done Versa.

man u worked him. Looks like i could keep you off for a little bit with my jab but ud **** me up cause u put some serious pressure on people that i couldn't deal with thats for sure. Ur physical strength p4p looks superb, and not only that but u got some nice snap to ur punches

What impressed me the most was when you had the first guy stunned, you backed off and gave him a second to get together.
Something most guys who spar don't do.

You lied to me bout they using a good jab haha

you shoulda sparred the first guy more then one round he was much better than the 2nd fighter,that guy was way to gun shy for your style,but from your other videos ive seen youve improved vastly,good job man....

What impressed me the most was when you had the first guy stunned, you backed off and gave him a second to get together.
Something most guys who spar don't do.

yeah im in there to work not knock there heads off.

Quite good, how long have you been boxing, how many fights and what's your weight class?

Good job man, really good.

But your opponents sucked (Im sure youd look good against good guys too, just sayin....)

The second guy kept trying to go down to your lever, and so did the first one a lot, instead of standing upright.......I dont get why guys do that. If your tall stand tall, use the jab and tie up when the fight gets inside.

Good job man, really good.

But your opponents sucked (Im sure youd look good against good guys too, just sayin....)

The second guy kept trying to go down to your lever, and so did the first one a lot, instead of standing upright.......I dont get why guys do that. If your tall stand tall, use the jab and tie up when the fight gets inside.

yeah they were alright. im sparring some guy about to turn pro on mon. or tue. ill record it if i can.and some guys do tie up close but im trying to work on super compact punches from jack dempseys book

Quite good, how long have you been boxing, how many fights and what's your weight class?

3years 1 fight(loss) and 152lb.amateur

I like how you bob and weave, it's obvious your emulating Tyson's style. Also, how tall are you man?

I like how you bob and weave, it's obvious your emulating Tyson's style. Also, how tall are you man?

like 5'5 and a half

well yeah uhhhhhhhh me sparring.
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thats real good vers, you got Tysons style near spot on there. you hurt the guy a few times in that last round but you eazed off on him which is always a good thing to see in sparring.

Ya man, good, quite good, although you seemed to really outclass you opponents (mainly the 2nd) anyways. Ur 152lb? ****, you're lighter than me, but I look like a bean pole compared to you. You've got a really good inside/brawler type style, and your hooks are great, powerful, fast, and those body shots have a good snap. If/when you go pro, I'm not sure if you'll be able to keep up such an intense in-fighting always throwing big hooks style, but if you can, than you've really got a lot goin' for you. Also, good sparring class, as others have said

Good job vers,

Great job Vers, although I doubt that you will keep your sparring partners long carcking their asses like you are. Very nice head movement aswell. Good rythme with your attack, ofcourse besides when you would just go walking in.

I like the way the pressure is always moving them back, take their hearts but cut them to the corners. Cut that ring off and they will feel likw the ring is one big corner that they cant escape from.

Nice work man!...........................Rockin':boxing:

you look great homey.

Great job Vers, although I doubt that you will keep your sparring partners long carcking their asses like you are. Very nice head movement aswell. Good rythme with your attack, ofcourse besides when you would just go walking in.

I like the way the pressure is always moving them back, take their hearts but cut them to the corners. Cut that ring off and they will feel likw the ring is one big corner that they cant escape from.

Nice work man!...........................Rockin':boxing:

what would your strategy be against someone like vers rockin?

thanx guys. i saw alot of things i can improve on like more straight stiff jabs instead of pawing just to get inside,cutting off the ring,leaving more space for my shots,and i purposely didnt go alot of handspeed but it will be there next spar. and more weight behind my punches. and more foot movement.and cutting the ring off better,I started doing it with the first guy at the end. i think im hard on myself myself to much sometimes.ahaha but i think thats the only way you will make it,if u judge yourself low and never satisfied because it will be u better if u keep workin on it.

looks a lil like jeff lacy and mike Tyson. but dude it is sparring you have nothing to prove be relaxed dont be so tight also dont hit that hard in sparring....save it for the ring...in philly they might have pulled gats on you....look at floyd mayweather and Ali work on things you suck your a good stalker very hard hitter...Ps who were you fighting Andy Lee.

so, verse, did u end up getting that headgear that you wanted? the black open face?

btw, nice spar.

looks a lil like jeff lacy and mike Tyson. but dude it is sparring you have nothing to prove be relaxed dont be so tight also dont hit that hard in sparring....save it for the ring...in philly they might have pulled gats on you....look at floyd mayweather and Ali work on things you suck your a good stalker very hard hitter...Ps who were you fighting Andy Lee.

actually the only hard hits i did were to the body and a few rights.. on the hooks i didnt have my leverage like usual or speed.i think its the punchs that they didnt see coming is what really hurt them.but yeah maybe i should tone it down ever more then i have now. but my fear is if i do that i wont have enough stamina to actually hit ppl hard in am.fights cause i went light on the sparring partners.i sorta wanna mirror what i wanna do in am. fights but i know i cant and my coach wont really let me.

so, verse, did u end up getting that headgear that you wanted? the black open face?

btw, nice spar.

naw not yet. i need it bad cause i miss alot of open shots cause i cant see and when i see the video im like DAMN.

I like those quick body shots. Nice job.

good **** man, the second guy looked nervous as hell.

I think you have more of a pro style then a AM style get the AM fights under your belt learn from them have fun get the so called "wind" in these fights. but Win and LOSS should not mean much to you at this stage but dont but be a spent force be easy on your self and spar as much as possible but please dont spar that hard again. **** around and play like your Chris Byrd and **** but still be able to crack like Tyson.

Need to jab more, you seem to go in a lot with hooks, smart boxers would jab the hell out of you and uppercut you whenever you try to go in with your hooks.

When the first guy was heading to the ropes he managed to hit you with a couple of right hooks to your head, you need to keep your left arm up to protect yourself.

When you had the first guy at the ropes, you were winding up a few of your hooks to the body, you could get countered with a big right.

You were head-hunting too much, the second guy kept his arms up so high you could have easily killed him to the body.

Looking at your arms, looks to me like you're lifting too much weights. I say lay off the weights, you should want arms like PBF, not Mike Tyson. Those big muscles only slow you down and kill your stamina.

You need more skilled sparring partners. The first guy wasn't TOO bad, but the second guy? Honestly looked like he was in there for the first, maybe second time ever.

When you bob and weave, you sometimes lean to your right in a way where you get your weight on your right heel. At the same time, you drop your left a little. The guys you were in there with fail to capitalize properly from this, but if you're ever in there with someone a little more talented, a little less gunshy, you might end up paying for it, because the only place to go from there, is forward, right into a right hand.

You also become way too right handed when you get in close. You want to use your left in there if you want to hurt him to the body.

But seriously, get some sparring partners with a little experience, and a little talent (first guy wasn't as bad as the second guy, but that ain't saying much). Those guys in n that video are just there to stroke your ego... ;)

Need to jab more, you seem to go in a lot with hooks, smart boxers would jab the hell out of you and uppercut you whenever you try to go in with your hooks.

When the first guy was heading to the ropes he managed to hit you with a couple of right hooks to your head, you need to keep your left arm up to protect yourself.

When you had the first guy at the ropes, you were winding up a few of your hooks to the body, you could get countered with a big right.

You were head-hunting too much, the second guy kept his arms up so high you could have easily killed him to the body.

Looking at your arms, looks to me like you're lifting too much weights. I say lay off the weights, you should want arms like PBF, not Mike Tyson. Those big muscles only slow you down and kill your stamina.

Nothing wrong with Tyson's speed or stamina when he was young. I'd like to see how you propose to make versatile's physique look more like PBF's than Tyson's? I mean, how would you go about doing that, in REAL LIFE?

Need to jab more, you seem to go in a lot with hooks, smart boxers would jab the hell out of you and uppercut you whenever you try to go in with your hooks.

When the first guy was heading to the ropes he managed to hit you with a couple of right hooks to your head, you need to keep your left arm up to protect yourself.

When you had the first guy at the ropes, you were winding up a few of your hooks to the body, you could get countered with a big right.

You were head-hunting too much, the second guy kept his arms up so high you could have easily killed him to the body.

Looking at your arms, looks to me like you're lifting too much weights. I say lay off the weights, you should want arms like PBF, not Mike Tyson. Those big muscles only slow you down and kill your stamina.

good advice but i dont lift weight thats how i come.ahaha,and its hard to see shots with my headgear on especially bodyshots alot of the times cause i dip low.and i thought i jabbed alot?I guess i'll try to do more of it. and keeping my hands up was one of the things i mentioned i needed to work on more.thanx

You need more skilled sparring partners. The first guy wasn't TOO bad, but the second guy? Honestly looked like he was in there for the first, maybe second time ever.

When you bob and weave, you sometimes lean to your right in a way where you get your weight on your right heel. At the same time, you drop your left a little. The guys you were in there with fail to capitalize properly from this, but if you're ever in there with someone a little more talented, a little less gunshy, you might end up paying for it, because the only place to go from there, is forward, right into a right hand.

You also become way too right handed when you get in close. You want to use your left in there if you want to hurt him to the body.

But seriously, get some sparring partners with a little experience, and a little talent (first guy wasn't as bad as the second guy, but that ain't saying much). Those guys in n that video are just there to stroke your ego... ;)

like i was saying there is alot of stuff i need to improve on,I watch to much tyson and have picked up on some of his habits in his prime that wasnt all that good,he just didnt get caught with it so its better to hit to the body with the left hand instead of right? is that why i see alot of ppl doing it alot to the left?. the last time i sparred was 3weeks ago and time before that 3 months ago.I think in the year ive sparred 5 times literally so theres alot of things i wanna do and try so unfortunately I have to test them out when sparring which isnt always good.I'll go back and work on the things i said i will work on and the stuff u guys said and see if i can get better at it.thanx punchdrunk

Didn't read the earlier posts but... Good body shots, looks like you was digging em in there... I personally think you lead with your head down too much... But other than that, good work...

You look pretty intimidating for the second guy - I'm sure he didn't want to be there after you landed a few shots on him! You have a good style - like Tyson, but as others have said and you also, just jab more. Tyson fought guys bigger and slower than him in the heavyweight division but you'll be fighting guys who are quicker so some of Tyson's tactics might not work as well.

Good luck though - you have a good future ahead of you I think.

well yeah uhhhhhhhh me sparring.
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you only sparred with the first one 1 round?!?!?!

it looks like you only put the where you look good and the second guy you sparred look like he is a beginer you should be easy on him and work on you defense and couters instead of bullying him around the ring.

i cant say much but you dont jab alot and wanna KO this guy as fast as possiable i think you will be in alot of toruble with a southpaw for sure because you hooks are compacted so in the result it would be hard for you to reach the person instead

nice mate, i like your head movement and right body rip :)

you only sparred with the first one 1 round?!?!?!

it looks like you only put the where you look good and the second guy you sparred look like he is a beginer you should be easy on him and work on you defense and couters instead of bullying him around the ring.

i cant say much but you dont jab alot and wanna KO this guy as fast as possiable i think you will be in alot of toruble with a southpaw for sure because you hooks are compacted so in the result it would be hard for you to reach the person instead

i had an opportunity to take out both of them but backed off,once i add speed to the mix(which i didnt really do) it will be different.and with working easy on him? actually i was but i cant work to easy cause golden gloves is in 2weeks,ppl in the ring wont take it super easy on me and if i take it super easy on my sparring partners i will get my ass kicked fast in golden gloves cause my stamina wont be up to par on how i fight in am.cause held back alot more then i usually do.

I thought I jabbed alot? I was only using it yesterday just to get and even without the jab i got in with no problem.now next time i spar thats all u will see is me jabbing,i need to work and try things out and its impossible to do it in 2min. rounds when the guys running. and actually the second guy had alot more experience then the first ahaha. and ive faced southpaws and have stretched my compact punches and still connected i myself switch to southpaw alot cause i have power in both hands and i like that stance better.

i had an opportunity to take out both of them but backed off,once i add speed to the mix(which i didnt really do) it will be different.and with working easy on him? actually i was but i cant work to easy cause golden gloves is in 2weeks,ppl in the ring wont take it super easy on me and if i take it super easy on my sparring partners i will get my ass kicked fast in golden gloves cause my stamina wont be up to par on how i fight in am.cause held back alot more then i usually do.

I thought I jabbed alot? I was only using it yesterday just to get and even without the jab i got in with no problem.now next time i spar thats all u will see is me jabbing,i need to work and try things out and its impossible to do it in 2min. rounds when the guys running. and actually the second guy had alot more experience then the first ahaha. and ive faced southpaws and have stretched my compact punches and still connected i myself switch to southpaw alot cause i have power in both hands and i like that stance better.

when you fought the 2nd guy you didnt jab espically when you though you where in control you started to throw some of the punchs wide abit and if you someone fight with you and abit smart he would let you go first and then he will couter you try to be concistent because some fighters are really tricky and they let you feel you are in control but then they switch to fighting mode and coutering most.

but try to used you straight right to set up you left hook and when doing the left hook set inside and move you body side so the other person cant hit you and wont be on you view

Bruv you are bloody tough

when you fought the 2nd guy you didnt jab espically when you though you where in control you started to throw some of the punchs wide abit and if you someone fight with you and abit smart he would let you go first and then he will couter you try to be concistent because some fighters are really tricky and they let you feel you are in control but then they switch to fighting mode and coutering most.

but try to used you straight right to set up you left hook and when doing the left hook set inside and move you body side so the other person cant hit you and wont be on you view

im more of a wait and shot kinda guy as in my other sparring matchs.but like i said i need sparring stamina cause i dont get enough sparring as it it.

and the straight right then left hook is a good idea,ill try it

Very nice Vers. There was a point in the 2nd round where you landed a leaping left hook just like Fraizer. Its was a beauty.

My only criticism is how in the first spar, you were admiring your work a bit and got cought with some clean shots. All I saw that was bad really...

Very nice Vers. There was a point in the 2nd round where you landed a leaping left hook just like Fraizer. Its was a beauty.

My only criticism is how in the first spar, you were admiring your work a bit and got cought with some clean shots. All I saw that was bad really...

oh when i backed off of him. i tend to put my hands down when i back off of them if i think i hurt them or gave them to clean of a shot.they just take advantage alot of the times and try to hit me.i guess ppl cant return the curtiousness. I dont admire my work at all,I always think i need to improve

Take control with the jab and movement. He is strong so fighting on the inside would only favor him. If you notice, when he slips the jab his forward progress is halted. He will learn to step when he rolls under to keep pace.

Aswell, simply throw straight and short shot following the jab. Vers is strong, thats no doubt, but his punches are very wide. A more experienced fighter will make him pay by simply throwing straight shots, they will get there first.

Vers is doing great though. He shows up, fights hard and he is growing with the art.

The only thing that I can really critique is that he should cut the ring off and when he is slipping side to side, which he does well, he should shorten the motion. He tends to sway very far to either side when slipping, shorten it up and it will only make your counter shots quicker.

Again, great job vers.....................Rockin':boxing:

He is great guy with power but you need to set up you punchs more and leg movement abit i agree with Rockin too.

try to make traps andfor your style try to make the person on the ropes espcailly in the corner this could only happen if you jab effective and then do what you do the best :D kill the guy off with your power.

you only did it once with the first guy without knowing it one you jab and make him position in the raopes slugg it out.

usually if you jab the guy will go left away from you right hand so that is an idea i got from an maga that i been telling about and then do the dempsy roll :D

so its better to hit to the body with the left hand instead of right? is that why i see alot of ppl doing it alot to the left

The liver is on the right side of the body, which means that when you're in front of the guy, you can hit it with your left hand, not your right.

alright so more leg movement and more setting up. I also need to lean more(saw it in dempsey's book)he was saying something about a falling object goes faster and hits harder from free fall. well if im leaning it imitates as if im falling causing more velocity behind my shots.

alright so more leg movement and more setting up. I also need to lean more(saw it in dempsey's book)he was saying something about a falling object goes faster and hits harder from free fall. well if im leaning it imitates as if im falling causing more velocity behind my shots.

but dont do it in the middle of the ring i heard you last fight you lost by a KO three knockdown rule.


try to take the guy to the ropes

but dont do it in the middle of the ring i heard you last fight you lost by a KO three knockdown rule.


try to take the guy to the ropes


who the **** said that ****? i got the video on youtube. rumors cant stick if u have video. who told u that ne way

alright so more leg movement and more setting up. I also need to lean more(saw it in dempsey's book)he was saying something about a falling object goes faster and hits harder from free fall. well if im leaning it imitates as if im falling causing more velocity behind my shots.

Its not just leg movement, its about making the proper moves while expending as little energy ar possible. Make your opponent expend his energy trying to get the **** away from you because he doesnt feel like getting hit by a hammer again and you wont get off 'em. You carry some power right now but in time you will find more. Believe it or not you will find the most power when you are not even expecting, when your just letting them go and all of sudden the boys setting on his ass. But you must ofcourse land the punches for him to feel the power. Thats where cutting off the ring comes in. Never follow him directly. Follow him on angles, tangents and contours. When he does eventually become trapped make him pay but dont always try to knock him out. Its about energy, the conservation of and the stealing of. Take his heart.......................Rockin'

Its not just leg movement, its about making the proper moves while expending as little energy ar possible. Make your opponent expend his energy trying to get the **** away from you because he doesnt feel like getting hit by a hammer again and you wont get off 'em. You carry some power right now but in time you will find more. Believe it or not you will find the most power when you are not even expecting, when your just letting them go and all of sudden the boys setting on his ass. But you must ofcourse land the punches for him to feel the power. Thats where cutting off the ring comes in. Never follow him directly. Follow him on angles, tangents and contours. When he does eventually become trapped make him pay but dont always try to knock him out. Its about energy, the conservation of and the stealing of. Take his heart.......................Rockin'

yeah cornering and body shots r starting to be my friends.ahaa

oh when i backed off of him. i tend to put my hands down when i back off of them if i think i hurt them or gave them to clean of a shot.they just take advantage alot of the times and try to hit me.i guess ppl cant return the curtiousness. I dont admire my work at all,I always think i need to improve



Everybody in the world can improve. You do a lot of things right, and that is what is important. A good tight defense, lots of head movement and a stiff lefthook to the body will win you lots of fights. The problem is, your height/weight ratio is unfavourable for in the amateurs, which makes it very difficult for you to win the BIG fights.

Most of the guys you will have to face will have the height and reach advantage. I can see that you have already learned the basics of how to neutralize the size advantage, nevertheless, it is the protocols of amateur scoring that are the problem. One pity-pat jab is worth as much as a big lefthook to the body. And what is worse is that amateur judges often do not score body shots. For a short slugger like you who depends on a body attack to set up the knockout, this poses a serious disadvantage. It is not easy to KO a good boxer in only 8 minutes.

You might find that turning professional is actually easier than the amateurs. At the onset of your pro career you will have 12 minutes to KO your victim. That extra 4 minutes makes a hell of a difference. If there is a promoter in your area give him a call and see what he will get you a fight. Don't expect much money, you ain't gettin it. Most promoters are looking for guys who are willing to work for a Chinaman's wages. Just be careful that he is not using you as a sacrifical lamb!

Everybody in the world can improve. You do a lot of things right, and that is what is important. A good tight defense, lots of head movement and a stiff lefthook to the body will win you lots of fights. The problem is, your height/weight ratio is unfavourable for in the amateurs, which makes it very difficult for you to win the BIG fights.

Most of the guys you will have to face will have the height and reach advantage. I can see that you have already learned the basics of how to neutralize the size advantage, nevertheless, it is the protocols of amateur scoring that are the problem. One pity-pat jab is worth as much as a big lefthook to the body. And what is worse is that amateur judges often do not score body shots. For a short slugger like you who depends on a body attack to set up the knockout, this poses a serious disadvantage. It is not easy to KO a good boxer in only 8 minutes.

You might find that turning professional is actually easier than the amateurs. At the onset of your pro career you will have 12 minutes to KO your victim. That extra 4 minutes makes a hell of a difference. If there is a promoter in your area give him a call and see what he will get you a fight. Don't expect much money, you ain't gettin it. Most promoters are looking for guys who are willing to work for a Chinaman's wages. Just be careful that he is not using you as a sacrifical lamb!

i wanna win a few tournaments before i think of that step and soak in more knowledge. and yeah in am. ill just have to get them in the corner and go to work.

Good vid. I think you should move your head more, the guy was nailing you too often. Other than that, you look pretty good.

Jesus. I have so far to go.

You look great, man. You're an animal and a sportsman. Impressive. :boxing:

Good vid. I think you should move your head more, the guy was nailing you too often. Other than that, you look pretty good.

noooooot really. when ever he really hit me is when i backed off of him and kept my hands down thinking he would do the same but he hit me and most of the other shots went on my gloves.

very nice :boxing:
i can't even think of anything other than what punchdrunk said, re some of the bobbing & weaving putting you in slightly disadvantageous position.

coulda sworn the first guy had boobs for a second :boobies:

You are getting some long winded feedback, so i'll just keep it short.

1) When you are in close to him let them hands go more. So often you slip and fail to counter.

2) Right hook to the body, right uppercut to the head. They were asking for it all night.

3) Try jabbing and slipping off the jab to draw his counter and punish again. So jab, slip to the left, corkscrew left uppercut. Works wonders for me.

Lookin sharp Vers! I like ur style, ur a lil bomber huh! Im gonna give u sum constructive critisism, Spar the 1st guy more often than the other (he far better, ul learn more from him) and occasionally when u scored a combo u kinda stoped and admired ur work and got nailed, dont! Ur defence looks good and i luv that style, great lookin power too. I stoped most of my opponents, i dont follow am boxing but my coach says its hard to KO peeps in the Am's and i was a born puncher! Keep it up playa, lookin strong out there man! :boxing:

Good vid. I think you should move your head more, the guy was nailing you too often. Other than that, you look pretty good.

i thought his head movement was 1 of the best things most the time,his head was never in the same place,good vid that vers,that second lad was **** scared of u hahaha he didnt know what to do,i bet its fun being 5'5,when taller lads under estimate you then they eat 1 of them hooks and wonder what the **** happened

i thought his head movement was 1 of the best things most the time,his head was never in the same place,good vid that vers,that second lad was **** scared of u hahaha he didnt know what to do,i bet its fun being 5'5,when taller lads under estimate you then they eat 1 of them hooks and wonder what the **** happened

He did move his head alot in the beginning, I suppose it's stamina or laziness or something at the end.

cant beleive i am the same weight as vers though

i wanna win a few tournaments before i think of that step and soak in more knowledge. and yeah in am. ill just have to get them in the corner and go to work.



At your age there are limits to what you can reasonably expect to learn. From what I can see all you need to do is develop and refine the skills you already possess. You have a good lefthook, but it can be better. You move your head, but you can do that better also. One thing you could spend more time on is cutting-off the ring. Don't let these stick-and-move boxers run around the ring otherwise they will pick you apart. Watch how Cotto brings down his quarry with that lefthook. With a little more practise you will be able to do it too.

well yeah uhhhhhhhh me sparring.
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I know that's a sparring session but if you're having an amateur fight make sure you outwork the guy, try to keep a higher workrate than your opponent because if someone who has a constant jab and a hard right could give you a lot of trouble, you can't stand in front of the guy and I noticed you stood close to your opponents right hand which can be dangerous in a real match, escpecially for you because you gotta deal with a lot of tall guys if I'm not mistaken...
Anywayz not bad, props for posting the vid :boxing: , I wish I could do the same but all of my vids are in freaking VCR...

Dam Vers, I thot I was watching Mike Tyson spar. You got skillz. How many pro's have u sparred with? How many people think u should turn pro?

Very interesting and entertaining to watch. I would have liked to see you use the jab more, but that is not your style. Also, pivit the foot more in the power shots, and don't lundge with power shots; my only critiques. Get an amateur fight soon, I think your ready.

Very nice job. The first guy was good competitive sparring, the second guy was just overmatched I think. I like everything I see. The second guy you sparred was being very predictable, and you were able to read that and constantly counterpunch him. Props.

good job but both opponents looked too easy for you
both were slow and the second guy looked like it was his first time sparring
good job though

He did move his head alot in the beginning, I suppose it's stamina or laziness or something at the end.

i might have gotten tired.hell i cant lie i was tired like hell the last round but i really didnt show it. no sparring can do that to you

Dam Vers, I thot I was watching Mike Tyson spar. You got skillz. How many pro's have u sparred with? How many people think u should turn pro?

ive sparred like 5 pros.and alot of ppl at my gym think im pro or think i should.but im far from being ready for all of that.

ive sparred like 5 pros.and alot of ppl at my gym think im pro or think i should.but im far from being ready for all of that.

u definetely got some serious potential, its just a matter of how bad u want it bro.

u definetely got some serious potential, its just a matter of how bad u want it bro.

yeah i want it. my dream is to have a lambo. crazy but yeah. being a hard critic of myself should show u how much i want it

Damn Verse you kicked some ass in there, i cant wait until WE Spar AHAHAHAHA

Damn Verse you kicked some ass in there, i cant wait until WE Spar AHAHAHAHA

yeah we'll still spar.ahaha dont know how it will happen and when but we will

yeah we'll still spar.ahaha dont know how it will happen and when but we will

i will admit right now you would KO me but in a few years i will be ready:boxing: 5 or 6 years until i turn pro:banana:

i will admit right now you would KO me but in a few years i will be ready:boxing: 5 or 6 years until i turn pro:banana:

thats alot of years of practice

thats alot of years of practice

see you then ahaha so how long until you turn pro? you would **** up the competetion around kansas right now lol

see you then ahaha so how long until you turn pro? you would **** up the competetion around kansas right now lol

i wanna win at least 2 big tournaments.

i wanna win at least 2 big tournaments.

would one happen to be the 2007 ringside championships in KC?

would one happen to be the 2007 ringside championships in KC?

whens that?

whens that?

August 2-5 or something, this may sound gay but if you want you could stay at my place if you do fight in it, i am fighting in that this year

August 2-5 or something, this may sound gay but if you want you could stay at my place if you do fight in it, i am fighting in that this year

hell yeah. i'll make sure to make plans to go to it.

hell yeah. i'll make sure to make plans to go to it.

i live like 30 minutes away from were its at. i wll be fighting at either 178 or 165 cant decide

i live like 30 minutes away from were its at. i wll be fighting at either 178 or 165 cant decide

damn thats high. guys i was fighting yesterday were like 175-185. but im going to be am. 152lbs

damn thats high. guys i was fighting yesterday were like 175-185. but im going to be am. 152lbs

that should be a good weight for you. check out ringside.com for info

that should be a good weight for you. check out ringside.com for info

ill check it out

i need to get down to 160 actaully, if you win you get a belt and thats what i want

Bravo, man. Thanks for sharing this with us.

very impressed. the body shots on that first guy will have him pissing blood for a week. the second guy didnt belong in there with u. the only thing ill say is just be careful while you're in the amatuers that even tho u are dominating a guy he isnt scoring too many points. uve got pro style and if i were u id be well annoyed that if a guy scrapes u with two jabs its worth more than n e one of those bombs u r landing. so yeah workrate! good luck in the golden gloves keep postin the vids man.

very impressed. the body shots on that first guy will have him pissing blood for a week. the second guy didnt belong in there with u. the only thing ill say is just be careful while you're in the amatuers that even tho u are dominating a guy he isnt scoring too many points. uve got pro style and if i were u id be well annoyed that if a guy scrapes u with two jabs its worth more than n e one of those bombs u r landing. so yeah workrate! good luck in the golden gloves keep postin the vids man.

that is so true, the ammuture doesnt care so much for quality hits, combos ore being the aggressor sadly. (i should know cause i ref myself)

vers,
How'd you work on getting such a snap to those hooks, especially the body shots. I've been workin' on that myself, but I'd really appreciate any advice, you had some beauty snapped body shots in there, like rip cracking- liver emulsifying body shots haha

that is so true, the ammuture doesnt care so much for quality hits, combos ore being the aggressor sadly. (i should know cause i ref myself)

thinks just dont ever go right for the short guy.ahaha. i will have a lower level of gravity so there punches will go over me. so hope that will work

vers,
How'd you work on getting such a snap to those hooks, especially the body shots. I've been workin' on that myself, but I'd really appreciate any advice, you had some beauty snapped body shots in there, like rip cracking- liver emulsifying body shots haha

i punch with my arm to my body and throw my hips into the punches. and i either do a small squat and punch or squat and come up so i can get more leverage and power on my shots

i punch with my arm to my body and throw my hips into the punches. and i either do a small squat and punch or squat and come up so i can get more leverage and power on my shots


Yes, that lefthook to the body will win you a title, once you learn how to deliver it on the fly. People watch a young Mike Tyson and think it looks very easy. WRONG! By the time he became the undisputed champion, Tyson had been in serious training for nearly 10 years. It takes a long time to learn how to rip out a man's liver with a lefthook, especially when he won't stand still!

how was he in serious training for 10 years when he started at 13 and went pro at 18.......

Yes, that lefthook to the body will win you a title, once you learn how to deliver it on the fly. People watch a young Mike Tyson and think it looks very easy. WRONG! By the time he became the undisputed champion, Tyson had been in serious training for nearly 10 years. It takes a long time to learn how to rip out a man's liver with a lefthook, especially when he won't stand still!

yeah i know. ive done it once to some1 and knocked him down and he was down for literally 5min. but thats a hard punch to get to cause its well covered.but i have a few ideas in my head on how to get there.

how was he in serious training for 10 years when he started at 13 and went pro at 18.......

unless hes talking about before he lost.

well yeah uhhhhhhhh me sparring.
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my man bruce lee roy would knock u out in one second....if not him then the meteor man...u focking poosy ass bish, i know where u live bathturd so dont make me go and shut u up for good.....pj= :boxing: corey= :tapedshut :puppy_dog

my man bruce lee roy would knock u out in one second....if not him then the meteor man...u focking poosy ass bish, i know where u live bathturd so dont make me go and shut u up for good.....pj= :boxing: corey= :tapedshut :puppy_dog

your right about my emotiocons. i would shut the **** up after beating your ass and then will be sad. while with your emoticon u would be in the hospital still thinking your boxing.ahahaha:owned2:

i hear jabs win fights in amateurs,and body shots dont count for much,is this true?

I would REALLY, REALLY like to see you fight Donald "I'm a Real Motha****in G" Hoskins. (Someone should post their fight vids back to back.)

I would put money toward making that fight happen.

Looking good V!

My only minor criticism is that you tend to load up too much.

You fight in a very similar style to how I fought, in my early days I loaded up with most of my shots and put most of my opponents away, as I stepped up in class I found that this no longer worked and I ran out of steam.
I went back into the gym and concentrated on more scoring shots and arm punches with a mix of the bigger shots thrown in, I went from strength to strength after that.

I would try fast arm combo's with the odd bigger shot thrown in, as I said though pal you are looking good!

Looking good V!

My only minor criticism is that you tend to load up too much.

You fight in a very similar style to how I fought, in my early days I loaded up with most of my shots and put most of my opponents away, as I stepped up in class I found that this no longer worked and I ran out of steam.
I went back into the gym and concentrated on more scoring shots and arm punches with a mix of the bigger shots thrown in, I went from strength to strength after that.

I would try fast arm combo's with the odd bigger shot thrown in, as I said though pal you are looking good!

I gotta question Micky. It will probably sound stupid, but in amateur fights do arm punches score?

I gotta question Micky. It will probably sound stupid, but in amateur fights do arm punches score?

Yes mate, as long as they aren't tippy tappy. A scoring blow to the target area is obviously interpreted by the judges in many ways but I have always taught my boxers to 'knock the sweat' off the guard. You can certainly do that with arm punches.
The important thing to remember is that everyone hits with differing force, a scoring blow is just a correctly delivered punch, you do not always need to put your full weight behind each shot!

Great question though mate!

Looking good V!

My only minor criticism is that you tend to load up too much.

You fight in a very similar style to how I fought, in my early days I loaded up with most of my shots and put most of my opponents away, as I stepped up in class I found that this no longer worked and I ran out of steam.
I went back into the gym and concentrated on more scoring shots and arm punches with a mix of the bigger shots thrown in, I went from strength to strength after that.

I would try fast arm combo's with the odd bigger shot thrown in, as I said though pal you are looking good!

the only punches i loaded up on were the bodyshots all the rest of the shots i didnt have proper leverage but they said they still felt it. and i already had stepped up in class ahaah.those guy have 10-15 pounds on me there.and will fight at around 175 while im going to fight at 152lbs. i usually always spar bigger ppl. and i will concentrate on more speed in amateurs to score

....I watch to much tyson and have picked up on some of his habits in his prime that wasnt all that good...
Hehe...this is exactly what i was thinking watching you.
Although i am kickboxing (for now) i am watching a lot of Ali's fights and automaticly i am fighting "his style" when we spar. Its good that you have idol, but althought you have to find, like the Bruce Lee would say, "how water fits into you"- you have to make your own style.

GJ- keep up the good work!

i hear jabs win fights in amateurs,and body shots dont count for much,is this true?


Yeah, it is true. Very often they don't even score bodyshots. Amateur scoring is unfair to short sluggers like Versatile2k7. What is likely to happen over the course of his amateur is a series of knockouts of weak opponents, then losses on points against the slick boxers. The problem is not lack of ability, the problem is lack of time. Four, two minute rounds just isn't enough time to chop off their legs. A classic example of this was the match between Willy Blain against Alexander Maletin, at the 2004 Olympics. Maletin beat the crap out of Blain, yet Blain won the fight!

Yeah, it is true. Very often they don't even score bodyshots. Amateur scoring is unfair to short sluggers like Versatile2k7. What is likely to happen over the course of his amateur is a series of knockouts of weak opponents, then losses on points against the slick boxers. The problem is not lack of ability, the problem is lack of time. Four, two minute rounds just isn't enough time to chop off their legs. A classic example of this was the match between Willy Blain against Alexander Maletin, at the 2004 Olympics. Maletin beat the crap out of Blain, yet Blain won the fight!

You're absolutely right, no argument there. Amateur boxing, for the most part, favours tall, straight punching boxers.

What I want to address though, is your implicit statement that this is somehow "wrong" (for lack of a better word). I don't necessarily agree with this. What we need to understand by now, is that amateur and professional boxing are different from one another, the same way 100m sprinting is different from a 10k distance run (though not as extreme of a difference). Both are running, but the talent needed to win the 100m sprint won't guarantee success in a 10k run (in running, a world class sprinter would have no chance in a world class 10k race, where a world class amateur boxer might make a name fr himself in the pro's).

In my opinion, amateur boxing is not better or worse than professional, just different. It takes a slightly different set of talents to be effective in amateur and professional boxing, so I watch them both for what they are. Judging an amateur boxer by a professional standard and vice versa, really isn't fair to either.

son good work, look like a lil mike tyson in there lol, nice and composed, not too tense, beautiful hooks, nice footwork, must be in good conditioning cause you didnt seem winded, you keep your legs movin, good job man,

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son good work, look like a lil mike tyson in there lol, nice and composed, not too tense, beautiful hooks, nice footwork, must be in good conditioning cause you didnt seem winded, you keep your legs movin, good job man,

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naw i never boxed at that gym before

how come you only had one fight so far? do you have a lot of spars?? and i think u said u lost that fight? howd you lose? was the guy a lot more experienced?

I have to say, you've definitely improved in the last few months Vers. The way you throw those hooks to the head and body, you look just like a smaller prime Tyson.

One thing you might want to incorporate more is feints. Guys obviously respect your power, and all it takes is a little shoulder movement to get a guy to react, thinking a punch is coming his way. Feint to bring his guard up and sneak in a punch to the body.

I'd say work on your quickness and timing and always your reactions. The double end bag is your friend. Also footwork, you need to be extremely quick and light on your feet to close the gap as quickly as possible but also ready to plant them and throw vicious punches at a half second's notice. How much time do you spent with the jump rope, currently? How about sprinting, both on a track and uphill?

Also work on those in close Dempsey shovel hooks I heard you say you would look into. Short guys should be able to produce a lot of leverage in close. I've found working the heavybag in a crouch with your legs bent moreso than usual will help you find ways to develop even more power. You may want to try that if you haven't. You can really hit, but even in that area there is always room for improvement.

Your stamina appears to be good, but you need to be relentless in your training program. Don't go nuts every day with roadwork (but definitely do it 5-6 days of the week, just not always all out), but you need to be pushing yourself really hard a few days of the week. A few extra miles or sprints more than usual.

Finally, when is your next fight? You need to get some amateur fights under your belt. You're ready for sure IMO. Just make sure you have the correct shoes and you'll do fine.

I have to say, you've definitely improved in the last few months Vers. The way you throw those hooks to the head and body, you look just like a smaller prime Tyson.

One thing you might want to incorporate more is feints. Guys obviously respect your power, and all it takes is a little shoulder movement to get a guy to react, thinking a punch is coming his way. Feint to bring his guard up and sneak in a punch to the body.

I'd say work on your quickness and timing and always your reactions. The double end bag is your friend. Also footwork, you need to be extremely quick and light on your feet to close the gap as quickly as possible but also ready to plant them and throw vicious punches at a half second's notice. How much time do you spent with the jump rope, currently? How about sprinting, both on a track and uphill?

Also work on those in close Dempsey shovel hooks I heard you say you would look into. Short guys should be able to produce a lot of leverage in close. I've found working the heavybag in a crouch with your legs bent moreso than usual will help you find ways to develop even more power. You may want to try that if you haven't. You can really hit, but even in that area there is always room for improvement.

Your stamina appears to be good, but you need to be relentless in your training program. Don't go nuts every day with roadwork (but definitely do it 5-6 days of the week, just not always all out), but you need to be pushing yourself really hard a few days of the week. A few extra miles or sprints more than usual.

Finally, when is your next fight? You need to get some amateur fights under your belt. You're ready for sure IMO. Just make sure you have the correct shoes and you'll do fine.

im going to do feints when I spar again and u see I have what some1 said u in sig. and I jump rope like 3 days a week.and when I run its a 3mile run a mile and a half is up hill. and yeah I bent my legs when punching alot of the times.

and i might fight on the 16th before golden gloves which is on the 21st. but I dunno about the 16th fight cause I got sick and I cant breathe correctly,chest congestion,nasal congestion. so im screwed in the stamina department right now,but im sparring tomorrow and it might not be pretty.ahaha

tape that ****. isn't against a guy going pro?

tape that ****. isn't against a guy going pro?

i dunno who it is. honestly I never know who im going to spar. when I do spar they come from all around the city to our gym

i dunno who it is. honestly I never know who im going to spar. when I do spar they come from all around the city to our gym

Ahm... how come? I mean, arent you sparing with the other people from your club? You are sparing with the people from the other clubs or maybe with whoever wants to have sparing with you ?... damn my english is bad but i hope you understand me :ugh: :]

i dunno who it is. honestly I never know who im going to spar. when I do spar they come from all around the city to our gym



Sparring partners are like women, you should be careful about which ones you get involved with. Initially you might be screwing them, but in the long run you may end up screwing yourself. Quality is better than quantity, but sadly quality is not always available. If you find some sparring partners are hard to hit, those are the ones you should chose first, if there are choices available. My quess is it the the stick-and-move boxers who will help you develop your skills. It takes a lot of practise to effectively cut of the ring, force them into the ropes and unleash that lethal lefthook to the body.

What you need to learn is careful observation. Every man in the world moves in repeating patterns. In the ring these patterns tend to become a rhythm. When you tap into his rhythm, you can very often predict what he will do next. A good stick-and-move boxer will use lateral movement and angles to make it difficult for you to hit him. All you have to do is figure out how he likes to move then feint him out of position which makes him vulnerable to whatever it is you are planning. You can actually choreograph dozens of these routines and play them out with a training partner or even while shadow boxing.

well yeah uhhhhhhhh me sparring.
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Good stuff Versy.

vers im in the same situation u r i lost my 1st fight at 147 and still am in that weight class i lost cause i got tight and nervous but dude you look to work hard i like ur style and i want to spar you im still 147, u have no idea you look like someone fun to spar and i think it would be a good workout and close compitition.

Your pressure is good (though you seemed to be much better than the other guys), but I am not sure how good it'd be against someone on your level. I am not trying to sound arrogant at all. You are good indeed, but I think I could outbox you by moving and and fight you going backwards, simply because you don't throw enough punches for a guy who comes forward. I appologize for making this about me, because this post seems much more antagonistic then it is meant to be, but I am simply saying that I think I could outbox you by moving, because you don't mix enough punches in with your pressure. You did kind of say it yourself, that you hold back too much. Thats all, hope you didn't take it the wrong way. It looked really, really good. Keep it up.

hey vers not trying to sound stupied or nothing I know i dont have alot of experience but i see you got alot of POWER, thats great, but you kinda wait for big shots and dont jab alot kinda like tyson. That got tyson far but it didnt work when he went up aginst someone who knew how to stick and get out

Your pressure is good (though you seemed to be much better than the other guys), but I am not sure how good it'd be against someone on your level. I am not trying to sound arrogant at all. You are good indeed, but I think I could outbox you by moving and and fight you going backwards, simply because you don't throw enough punches for a guy who comes forward. I appologize for making this about me, because this post seems much more antagonistic then it is meant to be, but I am simply saying that I think I could outbox you by moving, because you don't mix enough punches in with your pressure. You did kind of say it yourself, that you hold back too much. Thats all, hope you didn't take it the wrong way. It looked really, really good. Keep it up.

I switched trainers a month later after that date. And I do things differently now.Like use the jab to set up everything I have. And stay out the pocket,then explode in with combos and jump back out the pocket. I'm more patient.

hey vers not trying to sound stupied or nothing I know i dont have alot of experience but i see you got alot of POWER, thats great, but you kinda wait for big shots and dont jab alot kinda like tyson. That got tyson far but it didnt work when he went up aginst someone who knew how to stick and get out

I switched trainers so Im not all the same like in that video. Ive been with my current trainer for almost 4 months. I jab more cause he makes me.:lol1:

You have alot of power..I saw a few things you could improve on though:

Sometimes you are jabbing then following up with nothing else,or following with a hook to the body which i think the jab really doesnt help setting up..you're also sometimes pawing with your jab..Also when you get an opening you seem to pause before going in with your punches, the same with when you get inside, you get inside and then there seems to be a pause before you punch.
How would you improve on these things?
Work on your Jab,make it stiffer and quicker..Then work on the double jab.
Work on one twos,jab followed by straight rights. Practice following up your jab with a quick stiff straight right.
Once you've got them mastered try this combo-jab, straight right-(opponent will bring arms up) Left hook to the body, left uppercut (lifts his chin) right hook to the head.
About the pausing problem,work on the pads with your trainer,learn combos..Soon as he says "now/go" throw the combo he's asked you to throw. It'll improve your reflexes and explosiveness..

Hope you find something in there useful.

I switched trainers a month later after that date. And I do things differently now.Like use the jab to set up everything I have. And stay out the pocket,then explode in with combos and jump back out the pocket. I'm more patient.



Why do you need to jump back out? If the man in front of you is tough enough to take the hit and counter, he will nail you on the way out. The correct way to fight a bigger man is to get inside and stay there. It is much safer to work him on the inside than it is to go back into his range and give him a chance to hit you. Very few big men know how to work a smaller opponent on the inside, so that is where you will find your advantage.

STOP boxing and START slugging!

You have alot of power..I saw a few things you could improve on though:

Sometimes you are jabbing then following up with nothing else,or following with a hook to the body which i think the jab really doesnt help setting up..you're also sometimes pawing with your jab..Also when you get an opening you seem to pause before going in with your punches, the same with when you get inside, you get inside and then there seems to be a pause before you punch.
How would you improve on these things?
Work on your Jab,make it stiffer and quicker..Then work on the double jab.
Work on one twos,jab followed by straight rights. Practice following up your jab with a quick stiff straight right.
Once you've got them mastered try this combo-jab, straight right-(opponent will bring arms up) Left hook to the body, left uppercut (lifts his chin) right hook to the head.
About the pausing problem,work on the pads with your trainer,learn combos..Soon as he says "now/go" throw the combo he's asked you to throw. It'll improve your reflexes and explosiveness..

Hope you find something in there useful.

You have really good advice.You might be my coach.:lol1: Thanx

Why do you need to jump back out? If the man in front of you is tough enough to take the hit and counter, he will nail you on the way out. The correct way to fight a bigger man is to get inside and stay there. It is much safer to work him on the inside than it is to go back into his range and give him a chance to hit you. Very few big men know how to work a smaller opponent on the inside, so that is where you will find your advantage.

STOP boxing and START slugging!

Look at how a prime Tyson does it.After he throws his combo he gets out.I guess to reset himself. Its an element of surprise and explosion when he jump in there and throw fast furious combos and step back out the pocket.

why everybody in the back just standing there? keep it moving!

I'm gonna throw a little constructive criticism out there, no offense intended

1) Your more of a Brawler then a Boxer

2) You stand flat footed and you dont use your footwork to the best of your ability

3) You dont use your jab to the best of its ability


Now, in my opinion if you could make a small transfomation to work on your footwork, and jab, that would create alot more openings for those devastating hooks and uppercuts to get in, not to mention the defensive benefit.. I feel that a powerful Boxer with well rounded skill, is alot more dangerous then a powerful Brawler..

Look at how a prime Tyson does it.After he throws his combo he gets out.I guess to reset himself. Its an element of surprise and explosion when he jump in there and throw fast furious combos and step back out the pocket.
You looked good.
But i'm wondering why do you try to imitate tysons way of fighting?
Sure it works for you and you'd beat me in sparring but there were flaws to his style, like he kept head butting and if you dnt move quick enough you'd be tagged by uppercuts.
Why dont you change the style to your own and implement some otehr styles? I say this because (no offence) you dont look comfortable in that stlye you seem a little rigid and your footwork isn't fast enough to match tysons so the style will never work to the same effect.
Pretty good though. Why dont you post another vid of a recent spar and we can see how you've improved.

You looked good.
But i'm wondering why do you try to imitate tysons way of fighting?
Sure it works for you and you'd beat me in sparring but there were flaws to his style, like he kept head butting and if you dnt move quick enough you'd be tagged by uppercuts.
Why dont you change the style to your own and implement some otehr styles? I say this because (no offence) you dont look comfortable in that stlye you seem a little rigid and your footwork isn't fast enough to match tysons so the style will never work to the same effect.
Pretty good though. Why dont you post another vid of a recent spar and we can see how you've improved.

Im short and stocky and have the handspeed to do so(need to post more showing handspeed).And Tyson's style can equal alot of money if done right with excitment.Im looking at it from the big picture. And I have a sparring video somewhere,where I show good foot speed. But of course I can improve on all of these which Im doing right now.

And with all fighting styles and fighters there are flaws.I can only do what I can.:D But I'll post another sparring video soon though.

I'm gonna throw a little constructive criticism out there, no offense intended

1) Your more of a Brawler then a Boxer

2) You stand flat footed and you dont use your footwork to the best of your ability

3) You dont use your jab to the best of its ability


Now, in my opinion if you could make a small transfomation to work on your footwork, and jab, that would create alot more openings for those devastating hooks and uppercuts to get in, not to mention the defensive benefit.. I feel that a powerful Boxer with well rounded skill, is alot more dangerous then a powerful Brawler..

I was never trying to be a boxer.:confused:

respect you looked good. whatching stuff like this makes me want to spar

Look at how a prime Tyson does it.After he throws his combo he gets out.I guess to reset himself. Its an element of surprise and explosion when he jump in there and throw fast furious combos and step back out the pocket.



There is more than one way of viewing Mike Tyson's style. There is his style as you see it in the videos, and there were all the mistakes that Kevin Rooney gave him **** about! Should you emulate Tyson's style as it was or as it should have been? Tyson had the habit of pulling straight back, but that is not what Cus D'Amato taught him to do. Tyson also had the habit of headhunting, but that is technically wrong also. How far do you think you will get if you imitate his mistakes? Tyson had a great style, but it was not flaws in his style that made him great.

There is more than one way of viewing Mike Tyson's style. There is his style as you see it in the videos, and there were all the mistakes that Kevin Rooney gave him **** about! Should you emulate Tyson's style as it was or as it should have been? Tyson had the habit of pulling straight back, but that is not what Cus D'Amato taught him to do. Tyson also had the habit of headhunting, but that is technically wrong also. How far do you think you will get if you imitate his mistakes? Tyson had a great style, but it was not flaws in his style that made him great.

The mistakes that Tyson made do get corrected by my trainer when I do them sometimes. I do step back sometimes. But the stepping back that tyson did which was good is getting in good leverage range.http://youtube.com/watch?v=de6U7cjUwgw This is a Prime example of what I mean about backing up after he delivers a combo.

Im short and stocky and have the handspeed to do so(need to post more showing handspeed).And Tyson's style can equal alot of money if done right with excitment.Im looking at it from the big picture. And I have a sparring video somewhere,where I show good foot speed. But of course I can improve on all of these which Im doing right now.

And with all fighting styles and fighters there are flaws.I can only do what I can.:D But I'll post another sparring video soon though.
I hope you do post some more vids. I liked the one where you knocked them blokes down and you got really pissed about it lol.
As before i dnt mean to sound like a prick but do you believe your gona be a champ or something cause you spoke about money?
I dnt think you have what it takes to become a contender or anything and your style isnt suited to the amatures so what do you want to do in boxing?
Also i dnt think you've ever stated your age can you do so please as it would make it easyer to pass a judgement. tnx again, looking forward to the next vid.

I hope you do post some more vids. I liked the one where you knocked them blokes down and you got really pissed about it lol.
As before i dnt mean to sound like a prick but do you believe your gona be a champ or something cause you spoke about money?
I dnt think you have what it takes to become a contender or anything and your style isnt suited to the amatures so what do you want to do in boxing?
Also i dnt think you've ever stated your age can you do so please as it would make it easyer to pass a judgement. tnx again, looking forward to the next vid.

Well think what you want buddy. Im done talking.:wave:

Well think what you want buddy. Im done talking.:wave:
Why you getting pissed so easyly i'm just saying what do you want to accomplish with boxing?
And that your style isn't suited to amature.
**** man you cant take advice.

NOt bad Verse. See the slip ball work is paying off.

Why you getting pissed so easyly i'm just saying what do you want to accomplish with boxing?
And that your style isn't suited to amature.
**** man you cant take advice.

They told Tyson the same thing. Gold in the jr. O's is a pretty mentionable feat.

The mistakes that Tyson made do get corrected by my trainer when I do them sometimes. I do step back sometimes. But the stepping back that tyson did which was good is getting in good leverage range.http://youtube.com/watch?v=de6U7cjUwgw This is a Prime example of what I mean about backing up after he delivers a combo.



Quite frankly I don't think Mike Tyson's performance against Lorenzo Boyd was very good. Yes, he did back up after delivering combinations, but it was in most cases technically wrong. If he had made the same mistake against Muhammad Ali, he would have be punished. The reason you fight guys like Boyd is to practice your technique, because one day you will have to face a much more difficult opponent upon for good technique is necessary. The correct way for Tyson (and you!) to deal with these taller men is to get inside, deliver the combination then step forward and work them on the inside with short hooks. Put your head on his chest and give him a shoe shine. Repositioning to get enough leverage for an uppercut only requires a half step back.

Going in and out of the pocket is what boxers do. Boxers usually win on points, sluggers need to win by knockout. When you step forward to work him on the inside, sooner or later he will step back to get away. If you are ready for it you will be able to time him for the right cross. If he pulls back with his hands down, as they often do, you are gonna nail him! :boxing:

Nice work if thats you in the black shirt.

which ones are you?

They told Tyson the same thing. Gold in the jr. O's is a pretty mentionable feat.
Yeah great feat for tyson. but versa will never be 1/8 as good as tyson no mater what he does.
I swear he's had one fight and lost also how much does he weigh cause if he's over 154 her would get boxed all day by a tall middle or lightheay weight amature boxer.
Do any of you know how old he is? cause he's never mentioned it so he may be to old to do anything great.

Quite frankly I don't think Mike Tyson's performance against Lorenzo Boyd was very good. Yes, he did back up after delivering combinations, but it was in most cases technically wrong. If he had made the same mistake against Muhammad Ali, he would have be punished. The reason you fight guys like Boyd is to practice your technique, because one day you will have to face a much more difficult opponent upon for good technique is necessary. The correct way for Tyson (and you!) to deal with these taller men is to get inside, deliver the combination then step forward and work them on the inside with short hooks. Put your head on his chest and give him a shoe shine. Repositioning to get enough leverage for an uppercut only requires a half step back.

Going in and out of the pocket is what boxers do. Boxers usually win on points, sluggers need to win by knockout. When you step forward to work him on the inside, sooner or later he will step back to get away. If you are ready for it you will be able to time him for the right cross. If he pulls back with his hands down, as they often do, you are gonna nail him! :boxing:

Yeah what you say is true.Now my trainer says after I throw a combo to step to the side out of the way,not back. He said usually its the last punch you throw in which you wanna step to.Because your opponent might try to counter it and you would run right into his much if you go the other way. So its not exactly like tyson did it.

which ones are you?

The black guy.

Yeah great feat for tyson. but versa will never be 1/8 as good as tyson no mater what he does.
I swear he's had one fight and lost also how much does he weigh cause if he's over 154 her would get boxed all day by a tall middle or lightheay weight amature boxer.
Do any of you know how old he is? cause he's never mentioned it so he may be to old to do anything great.

Yo homey, if you dont have anything constructive to say, goto another thread, or even website, coming into peoples personal threads and telling them what they can and cannot achieve is simply ****ed up, you dont know this guy or anything about him, and by far, what he can achieve

and next time you want to try and down-grade someone, make sure the person you are talking down to is not capable of knocking you the **** out

i just watched the video first time, nice doing. dont listen to any *** telling you it's too late to accomplish anything, that's bs.

IMHO, you need to get better footwork, imitate tyson less and listen more to your body, and when in, STAY IN. i'd have nailed you everytime when you jumped back like that, and anyone just a bit more experienced than those guys. why were you fighting that second guy anyways? ego boost?

anyways, keep it up and post more vids, we liked what we saw.

i just watched the video first time, nice doing. dont listen to any *** telling you it's too late to accomplish anything, that's bs.

IMHO, you need to get better footwork, imitate tyson less and listen more to your body, and when in, STAY IN. i'd have nailed you everytime when you jumped back like that, and anyone just a bit more experienced than those guys. why were you fighting that second guy anyways? ego boost?

anyways, keep it up and post more vids, we liked what we saw.

The only reason why I stepped back is because I hurt them,as this is sparring Im not trying to knock them out,so I let them get their composure back. I was fighting the second guy because he was someone to spar.I spar to work on things.He actually had more experience then the other guy too. Since that video I switched gyms.Like the next month,and I managed to improve things and break alot of habits because I actually have a trainer that trains.

very nice man, looks like a mini tyson. you look heavier then 152!!! keep up the goodwork.


Yeah great feat for tyson. but versa will never be 1/8 as good as tyson no mater what he does.
I swear he's had one fight and lost also how much does he weigh cause if he's over 154 her would get boxed all day by a tall middle or lightheay weight amature boxer.
Do any of you know how old he is? cause he's never mentioned it so he may be to old to do anything great.

keep that **** outta here man

I'd love to spar with you man. Where do you live? What's your record and weightclass?

Yeah what you say is true.Now my trainer says after I throw a combo to step to the side out of the way,not back. He said usually its the last punch you throw in which you wanna step to.Because your opponent might try to counter it and you would run right into his much if you go the other way. So its not exactly like tyson did it.



In my view Tyson set the standard by which all other short sluggers should be judged. Although far from perfect, he was pretty damn good and so much better than anybody else. If you are even half as good as Tyson you are ready to turn pro because you will get the knockouts. Lets face it, you are probably already twice as good as Sam Peter and only half as fat!

In my view Tyson set the standard by which all other short sluggers should be judged. Although far from perfect, he was pretty damn good and so much better than anybody else. If you are even half as good as Tyson you are ready to turn pro because you will get the knockouts. Lets face it, you are probably already twice as good as Sam Peter and only half as fat!

Sam Peter.haha. Ive been working with long lanky ranged jabbers lately. With more skill then anyone you've seen in my videos.He's a trainer at my gym,around 5'10. He does everything that ppl said could have beaten Tyson when he was in his prime. He jabs alot,throws fast combos,not afraid to go toe to toe when have too,and he moves around alot. Its a good learning lesson,even if Im schooling him.I learn alot from ppl live that. I'll be posting a video on the 20th,win or lose.If I can get a camera in time.:)

Sam Peter.haha. Ive been working with long lanky ranged jabbers lately. With more skill then anyone you've seen in my videos.He's a trainer at my gym,around 5'10. He does everything that ppl said could have beaten Tyson when he was in his prime. He jabs alot,throws fast combos,not afraid to go toe to toe when have too,and he moves around alot. Its a good learning lesson,even if Im schooling him.I learn alot from ppl live that. I'll be posting a video on the 20th,win or lose.If I can get a camera in time.:)


What does he do when you bury your lefthook in his guts? If you haven't buried it yet then you know you have more work to do otherwise you will be digging your own grave!

What does he do when you bury your lefthook in his guts? If you haven't buried it yet then you know you have more work to do otherwise you will be digging your own grave!

Ive done that.He grunted and looked as if he was going to go down so I let off on it. I also started left hooking him upstairs and he would get hurt when it landed so I slowed that down too. He's a good sport though.

Ive done that.He grunted and looked as if he was going to go down so I let off on it. I also started left hooking him upstairs and he would get hurt when it landed so I slowed that down too. He's a good sport though.



If you turn pro, you will get paid to knock guys out. What is the point of doing it for free? :thinking:

If you turn pro, you will get paid to knock guys out. What is the point of doing it for free? :thinking:

I need more practice.I already got the ok from my trainer so its all good. Just trying to get some more practice. I face enough pros and different style to be comfortable now though.

pretty good, you look good.

only thing is your head movement is too predictable and repetitive. A solid one two from a guy who knows what hes doing and isnt gun shy and knows how to use feints would catch you everytime.

pretty good, you look good.

only thing is your head movement is too predictable and repetitive. A solid one two from a guy who knows what hes doing and isnt gun shy and knows how to use feints would catch you everytime.

Ive sparred alot of ppl,and pros.I tend to switch up somethings with their style. Im not always the same.If you check my other spars Im not always the same.

Looks good, I don't know if this was your goal but if you want to fight like Tyson, He would throw a straight at the same time his opponent would, accept he'd duck out of the way at the same time etc..So like a punching duck/weave?

you look in good shape though

The first guy you sparred looks like his way over-matched skill wise, but he did have a good jab and was able to land it a few times. Versa what i would say for you is since you cant go all out and do have to hold back, unleash your jab like you would every other punch that you cant throw, the jab is the key to all sucsess however you seem to lack a very good one! Also is it you who wants to or are you told to hold back, becuz for a minute toward the end you looked like you where going to KO the second guy! Overall good work man, work on that jab and also the body was open alot with the second guy and it seemed like you where eye level with it but didnt attack! One more thing the level of comp at your gym does it get any better then that? and whats your am rec? GOOD WORK MAN KEEP IT UP

The first guy you sparred looks like his way over-matched skill wise, but he did have a good jab and was able to land it a few times. Versa what i would say for you is since you cant go all out and do have to hold back, unleash your jab like you would every other punch that you cant throw, the jab is the key to all sucsess however you seem to lack a very good one! Also is it you who wants to or are you told to hold back, becuz for a minute toward the end you looked like you where going to KO the second guy! Overall good work man, work on that jab and also the body was open alot with the second guy and it seemed like you where eye level with it but didnt attack! One more thing the level of comp at your gym does it get any better then that? and whats your am rec? GOOD WORK MAN KEEP IT UP

I actually have a job jab.I just didnt always use it alot to get in at that gym I was going to.My main weapon is my jab now. I go to another gym now where I spar alot of pros.I see alot of tricks that they do and I adapt to that.

As for me holding back.Well I have the tendency to think about knocking ppl out.So when I get at that level I have to calm myself down again.Its hard to hold back.I tell ya that. I thought for a split second to knock him out but then I snapped.

Im 0-1 due to my slippery shoes that had me everywhere around the ring and falling.:lol1: Its all good though. I knew it was my shoes.

Just wanted to drop in and say that was an awesome video Verse, and my respect for you being a fighter went up even further having seen you doing it. Look like Tyson in there dude.

The things i can critique on you probobly already know. Like you didnt jab enough there. You just seemed to walk inside though it did seem to work but it would set up your power shots better if you jabbed your way inside.

Good Body Work

Also i noticed at the end where the guy was just trying to let his hands go as much as he can to try n get leather on you. You werent really countering his shots, granted u were slipping them but he was bringing his hands back to his chest so you should of slipped to the outside and countered upstairs.

Just wanted to drop in and say that was an awesome video Verse, and my respect for you being a fighter went up even further having seen you doing it. Look like Tyson in there dude.

Thanks............

The things i can critique on you probobly already know. Like you didnt jab enough there. You just seemed to walk inside though it did seem to work but it would set up your power shots better if you jabbed your way inside.

Good Body Work

Also i noticed at the end where the guy was just trying to let his hands go as much as he can to try n get leather on you. You werent really countering his shots, granted u were slipping them but he was bringing his hands back to his chest so you should of slipped to the outside and countered upstairs.

Reason why Im looking for headgear with better vision.;) When Im that low all I can see is arms,and I also base my bob and weaves off of instinct. Now if I had better vision when crouched I would be countering all day because its more visible.

damn man your like my idol..howd you get your defense down like that?

damn man your life my idol..howd you get your defense down like that?

When I shadow box I bob and weave after I throw shots and when I throw shots. When I hit the bag,my heads going side to side. After I throw a combo I bob and weave and move out. When I do mitt work,even if they dont tell me to slip.I do it anyway.If they say jab 3 times,Im slipping everytime I throw a jab.After Im done with the combo I bob side to side once. When I had a slip bag I used to work on that for like 3 rounds.

I also anticipate the shot,well my body does.It moves on its own it seems.I guess I just have good reflexes or something,but the way to do it is do repetitive things. Ive been practicing on my defense for 4 years. I mostly work my defense more then my offense,then it translates to good offense.

I can tell you this.Im the only fool bobbing and weaving after every combo on the heavybag.:lol1:

Reason why Im looking for headgear with better vision.;) When Im that low all I can see is arms,and I also base my bob and weaves off of instinct. Now if I had better vision when crouched I would be countering all day because its more visible.

fair enough i understand where ur coming from cause my headgear pisses the **** outta me too. What type do u have?

fair enough i understand where ur coming from cause my headgear pisses the **** outta me too. What type do u have?

All sorts of Everlast ones.

That's pretty good. You look a little one dimensional and dont throw enough leather. Good defense but a skilled guy who can halfstep back and throw the uppercut would work you good, in my opinion. But you are a natural athlete and have lots of strength. Push guys on the clinch and act a little dirty. I know it was sparring, but use everything you can to yoru advantage. Take a look at some Duran clips if you want to learn how to infight and slip shots.

That's pretty good. You look a little one dimensional and dont throw enough leather. Good defense but a skilled guy who can halfstep back and throw the uppercut would work you good, in my opinion. But you are a natural athlete and have lots of strength. Push guys on the clinch and act a little dirty. I know it was sparring, but use everything you can to yoru advantage. Take a look at some Duran clips if you want to learn how to infight and slip shots.

This was February.Since then Ive changed gyms,actually a month after this video. Ive had all sorts of sparring advanced fighters that do the same thing as you're talking about including uppercuts,using the jab alot,moving around,staying toe to toe with me,clinching when I get in. I tend to adapt to what ppl do.. In my clip,if it aint broke dont fix it.haha. I do change up though.

But improvement is always needed for a fighter,if you cant stop improving then its time for you to quit.

It was cool.. but i bet i could give you a 1-2 and ko you

It was cool.. but i bet i could give you a 1-2 and ko you

I bet you could too.

I bet you could too.

Something like goku did to brolly right?

Verse, what's your target with that wicked right hook to the body? Are you just trying to knock the wind out of him and/or intimidate him? The liver being the target for the left hook, of course. I've been working on my strong side (left - southpaw) hook just b/c my lead hook (right) to the body doesn't seem to do much until I've landed it several times.

Something like goku did to brolly right?

Leave Brolly out of this. Goku cheated.

Verse, what's your target with that wicked right hook to the body? Are you just trying to knock the wind out of him and/or intimidate him? The liver being the target for the left hook, of course. I've been working on my strong side (left - southpaw) hook just b/c my lead hook (right) to the body doesn't seem to do much until I've landed it several times.

Honestly? I just saw it open so I targeted it. You guys cant hear it but he was making sound when I hit him there. I wasnt range to throw it neither,but it did its damage.As you saw they both kept running.

Ive also been working my left hook to the body. When I throw it. The first thing I do is jab,spin around his body then throw it at another angle.It might be hard for some to do if they're not light on their feet,but that **** looks good to me.Ive only done it on the bag so far.

you look good and your built like a tank lol.

Verse, what's your target with that wicked right hook to the body? Are you just trying to knock the wind out of him and/or intimidate him? The liver being the target for the left hook, of course. I've been working on my strong side (left - southpaw) hook just b/c my lead hook (right) to the body doesn't seem to do much until I've landed it several times.


Although every man is limited by his potential, few men ever achieve their full potential. Lefthook, righthook, liver, spleen, heart, lungs...it don't matter a goddam. If you get it right the guy in front of you is going to feel it. It doesn't matter if you have lots of firepower or very little, no matter what you got you still have to learn how and when to deliver it. That doesn't happen overnight. Even a feather-fist can deliver a one hell of a punch if he gets it right.

Have faith in yourself, sooner or later you will be the scariest guy in the gym!


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Do you think Booker felt that?

I can take you

I can take you

You probably could,never said you couldnt.:lol1:

You probably could,never said you couldnt.:lol1:


.....and he never showed up at the gym :boxing:

Damn Vers is good. Vers may not be the sharpest tool in the shed...but he is an athletic, strong machine. You looked like a beast in there. A good amateur boxer would **** you up...but you still are real good and would probably flatten a few people with yoru right hoko to the body...which is sexy as hell btw. Nice job Vers.

You probably could,never said you couldnt.:lol1:

I was kidding.

vers if you found a good trainer you could definitly be a good pro, if you could ever get to light welterweight you would probably dominate most of the opposition i mean you look 155-160 5'5-5'9 cant tell height honestly, but if kevin rooney wasnt drunk all day everyday hed be perfect for you. If you could make light welter you could easily dominate people just on athletic ability and natural talent alone, not sure if you have a trainer right now but you definitly have the ability. You got talent dont waste it.

vers if you found a good trainer you could definitly be a good pro, if you could ever get to light welterweight you would probably dominate most of the opposition i mean you look 155-160 5'5-5'9 cant tell height honestly, but if kevin rooney wasnt drunk all day everyday hed be perfect for you. If you could make light welter you could easily dominate people just on athletic ability and natural talent alone, not sure if you have a trainer right now but you definitly have the ability. You got talent dont waste it.

lol.........

and you're judging that on a couple sparring rounds against amateurs.

Smart one....

Damn Vers is good. Vers may not be the sharpest tool in the shed...but he is an athletic, strong machine. You looked like a beast in there. A good amateur boxer would **** you up...but you still are real good and would probably flatten a few people with yoru right hoko to the body...which is sexy as hell btw. Nice job Vers.

Ive faced National Amateur champions and ranked pros. My name isnt Versatile for nothing haha. I change up my style to adapt to the person Im facing,and Ive never been beat down or ****ed up.It just hasnt been my time yet.Will it come? You better bet your ass.:lol1:

vers if you found a good trainer you could definitly be a good pro, if you could ever get to light welterweight you would probably dominate most of the opposition i mean you look 155-160 5'5-5'9 cant tell height honestly, but if kevin rooney wasnt drunk all day everyday hed be perfect for you. If you could make light welter you could easily dominate people just on athletic ability and natural talent alone, not sure if you have a trainer right now but you definitly have the ability. You got talent dont waste it.

I do have a new trainer since March is Jesse James Leija.He's taught me alot of tricks and methods. Im alot better then I betray on these 8 plus month old videos.I just havnt been posting spars anymore.

I'm actually 5'5.I was around 170lbs in that video,now I weigh 155lbs.There is no way I could go down to 140lbs healthy.Im way too bulky. Ive actually went to Catskills last year.I was going to meet him but he had an emergency because one of his fighters had a surprise fight come up so he had to fly out.So I just sparred one of his fighters at the gym. I have his email and number and have talked to him,and emailed him,but I rather just stay in San Antonio.

lol.........

and you're judging that on a couple sparring rounds against amateurs.

Smart one....

I think I'll start recording me having sessions with pros soon. Ive sparred Golden Johnson a few rounds and a few other recognized pros. In all honestly the difference between pro and amateur isnt all that far apart.

I think I'll start recording me having sessions with pros soon. Ive sparred Golden Johnson a few rounds and a few other recognized pros. In all honestly the difference between pro and amateur isnt all that far apart.

Let's see it then. Talk is cheap. Talking is easy. Let's see some results.

Let's see it then. Talk is cheap. Talking is easy. Let's see some results.

You make it seem as if I talk **** about my spars and call out ppl and say Im better then certain ppl.CALM DOWN there. You're making me out to be something Im not.

You make it seem as if I talk **** about my spars and call out ppl and say Im better then certain ppl.CALM DOWN there. You're making me out to be something Im not.
Versa how old r u? if we knew your age we'd be able 2 judge how much more u could improve and how long u have 2 do it.

Versa how old r u? if we knew your age we'd be able 2 judge how much more u could improve and how long u have 2 do it.

23.................

I think I'll start recording me having sessions with pros soon. Ive sparred Golden Johnson a few rounds and a few other recognized pros. In all honestly the difference between pro and amateur isnt all that far apart.


damn, how did that go. I hope you have that on tape if not for us for your own sake.


and I want to see your amateur fight.

23.................

:eek: :dunno:

damn, how did that go. I hope you have that on tape if not for us for your own sake.


and I want to see your amateur fight.

I really dont tape my sessions anymore,but I might do it a few times.

:eek: :dunno:

My trainer turned pro at 22,and he was a 2 time world champion.Age isnt a factor.

Vers do you plan to go pro..and what weight?

which National Amateur champions have u sparred wit by the way? and u look good out there keep it up

which National Amateur champions have u sparred wit by the way? and u look good out there keep it up

My bad Silver medalist. Johnathan Gover.

Vers do you plan to go pro..and what weight?

Probably at 147 or 154.

Probably at 147 or 154.
you'd have great power at 147, but you'd still be extremly small in height for a welter weight. Also about your age, it's not 2 bad but if u want 2 do anything in this gaem then i'd say have a pro fight real soon and learn like that as you'll be 2 old to make an impact when you get on abit. See juan diaz is only 24 and he's a unified champion, so you will have 2 move real real fast 2 realise your potential. good luck though.

you'd have great power at 147, but you'd still be extremly small in height for a welter weight. Also about your age, it's not 2 bad but if u want 2 do anything in this gaem then i'd say have a pro fight real soon and learn like that as you'll be 2 old to make an impact when you get on abit. See juan diaz is only 24 and he's a unified champion, so you will have 2 move real real fast 2 realise your potential. good luck though.

Yeah my trainer said I could be pro,but I wanna get more experience.It will be sometime in the beginning on next year.

what weight are you fighting at on the 20th?

what weight are you fighting at on the 20th?

152............

taping it or what?

taping it or what?

Nope,my camcorder broke.

Nope,my camcorder broke.
try 2 get a m8t 2 do it for u. It will be good 2 c if you've impoved and also to see if your punch is good when u unleash it properly.

thas preti awesum.... the slipping of the jabs is very good.... keep tht up!

looks awesome vers...i see you also have a problem with switching your lead foot inside, ha....

thanks for putting this video up mate it has helped me like you would not believe!