View Full Version : Donovan "Razor" Ruddock: Unluckiest HW contender


Emon723
02-01-2007, 01:33 AM
His name: Razor Ruddock, A feared HW in the early 90s, 3rd.best behind Holyfield and Tyson, he was supposed to face Tyson late in 89' but the fight was called off, Douglas stepped in and scored the greatest upset in Heavyweight history, Ruddock did fought Tyson in 91' and went 19 hard rounds in 2 fights including a broken jaw, he could automatically wait for his turn to get a title shot yet he participate in an elimination bout and took on Lennox Lewis to show his willingness to take on the best, one could think how some undeserving challengers got a break after like Dokes (whom Razor already KO'd) Ferguson, Phil Jackson (another Ruddock victim) and the likes of Seldon, Hipp and Vaughn Bean (who even had 2 chances), just when an already past his best Ruddock will finally get a chance to fight for the HW belt (WBO title vs Vitali klitschko in 2000) he pulled out and in comes Chris Byrd who made Vitali quit! How unlucky Ruddock is, he would have beaten most of them, like schultz, Bruno and even John Ruiz, He's the best Heavyweight who never got a chance to fight for the title.

brownpimp88
02-01-2007, 01:39 AM
He was pretty decent for a heavyweight.

THE REAL NINJA
02-01-2007, 08:13 AM
I heard a story about Razor vs Tyson {can't remember where} but it said that at that time Ruddock was thought of as the crazer of the two at the time.They said that Tyson's people didn't want the fight because they thought that Ruddock was unstable lol. Anyway that fight was one where both men truly hated each other and actually fought with that passion in the ring . I can't say it enough these were two of the best fights {yet very underated by fans} I have ever seen, bar none .

Franko
02-01-2007, 08:59 AM
I heard a story about Razor vs Tyson {can't remember where} but it said that at that time Ruddock was thought of as the crazer of the two at the time.They said that Tyson's people didn't want the fight because they thought that Ruddock was unstable lol. Anyway that fight was one where both men truly hated each other and actually fought with that passion in the ring . I can't say it enough these were two of the best fights {yet very underated by fans} I have ever seen, bar none .

I wouldn't go as far as saying that they are two of the best fights i've ever seen, but they were certainly excellent fights, and are constantly referred to, when discussing the Ruddock - Lewis fight, as fights that had 'softened' Ruddock up by the time he fought Lewis.

THE REAL NINJA
02-01-2007, 09:02 AM
I wouldn't go as far as saying that they are two of the best fights i've ever seen, but they were certainly excellent fights, and are constantly referred to, when discussing the Ruddock - Lewis fight, as fights that had 'softened' Ruddock up by the time he fought Lewis.

One of the greatest slug fest I should have said .

scap
02-01-2007, 01:19 PM
Fun fun fights to watch, exactly the type of opponents you need matched against one another to get a true #1 contender.

The Surgeon
02-01-2007, 02:20 PM
One of the greatest slug fest I should have said .

Great fights i agree, i watch them all the time! :boxing:

Mike Tyson77
02-01-2007, 03:40 PM
I have never seen these fights. Does anyone know how I can get them?

THE REAL NINJA
02-01-2007, 04:58 PM
I have never seen these fights. Does anyone know how I can get them?

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The Surgeon
02-01-2007, 05:41 PM
I have never seen these fights. Does anyone know how I can get them?

U can buy his FULL career for about £20- $38, I'll give u the hook up if u want
This guy duz any fight u want for 50pence, u can make ur own complimation dvds, its who i get most of my **** from

Brassangel
02-01-2007, 06:06 PM
Yeah, excellent fights. The rare occassion where Tyson displayed heart, stamina, and the will to win. The second fight especially, where in the 11th and 12th rounds he was still displaying head movement. In the 10th round, he landed 8 or 9 consecutive body shots that really slowed Ruddock down.

Razor should have been given title shots during the early 90's. Whether he would have won or not, I don't know. I think he would have beaten Holyfield back then. Maybe I'm nuts.

Versastyle
02-01-2007, 06:09 PM
i watch those fights alot to look at tyson mid to close to inside range fighting

Brassangel
02-01-2007, 06:14 PM
Tyson actually showed a decent ability to fight in the clinches as well. Clearly, this was a positive direction for Mike, and could have really made his legacy look a lot better were it not for his trip to prison shortly after these fights.

THE REAL NINJA
02-01-2007, 07:51 PM
Yeah, excellent fights. The rare occassion where Tyson displayed heart, stamina, and the will to win. The second fight especially, where in the 11th and 12th rounds he was still displaying head movement. In the 10th round, he landed 8 or 9 consecutive body shots that really slowed Ruddock down.

Razor should have been given title shots during the early 90's. Whether he would have won or not, I don't know. I think he would have beaten Holyfield back then. Maybe I'm nuts.

I really doubt that he would have beat Holyfield but he shure could have beat a lot of the other lesser title holders like Seldon,Bruno,ect. Here is a little on what I think would happen. I also made a dream fight thread about this a long time ago but couldn't find it .http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102666&highlight=holyfield+ruddock

SABBATH
02-01-2007, 08:12 PM
Ruddock used to be more of a boxer with a great left jab. Check out his fight with Mike Weaver. He was a different fighter than the one that Tyson fought. After the Weaver fight Ruddock split with his trainer George Chuvalo and soon thereafter developed into a one shot power puncher and I never saw that great jab again.

In 1986 Ruddock was brought in to Larry Holmes training camp to help Holmes prepare for his rematch with Michael Spinks. Rudock was brought in because of his excellent jab which was Spinks' anticipated main weapon against Holmes. A press release at that time said Ruddock was fired because Holmes was having too much difficulty dealing with Ruddock's jab.

Here's a decent clip of a Holmes-Ruddock sparring session. Watch how good Ruddock's jab was.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=cPIXnEuqNZA

K-DOGG
02-01-2007, 08:20 PM
Ruddock more or less damned himself when he abandoned "boxing" for slugging. He had good skill, great ability, and great power; but when he devoted himself to focusing on spectacular finishes with "the Smash", he made himself a one-armed, one dimensional slugger....and no fighter with that many limitations is ever going to dominate a division.

He had the ability to be so much more than he was.

kayjay
02-01-2007, 08:52 PM
Sabbath thanks for the Youtube sparring session. Ruddock looked better in it than he did here:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=v7NHwKXG9vU&mode=related&search=

Emon723
02-01-2007, 09:27 PM
Yes, i've also seen this, never thought until now that Holmes and Ruddock did spar against each other. I remember an article about another 90s heavyweight contender alex stewart, who sparred with michael spinks and helped him prepare for a rematch with Holmes.

Franko
02-02-2007, 05:50 AM
U can buy his FULL career for about £20- $38, I'll give u the hook up if u want
This guy duz any fight u want for 50pence, u can make ur own complimation dvds, its who i get most of my **** from

Let me know who this guy is please mate. I'm mostly after Ike Ibeabuchi, and Edwin Valero fights. Pretty much got everything else.

hemichromis
02-02-2007, 12:48 PM
Ruddock more or less damned himself when he abandoned "boxing" for slugging. He had good skill, great ability, and great power; but when he devoted himself to focusing on spectacular finishes with "the Smash", he made himself a one-armed, one dimensional slugger....and no fighter with that many limitations is ever going to dominate a division.

He had the ability to be so much more than he was.

he would have got away with it had he had a good chin

Brassangel
02-02-2007, 05:06 PM
Originally posted by SABBATH
Ruddock used to be more of a boxer with a great left jab. Check out his fight with Mike Weaver. He was a different fighter than the one that Tyson fought. After the Weaver fight Ruddock split with his trainer George Chuvalo and soon thereafter developed into a one shot power puncher and I never saw that great jab again.

In 1986 Ruddock was brought in to Larry Holmes training camp to help Holmes prepare for his rematch with Michael Spinks. Rudock was brought in because of his excellent jab which was Spinks' anticipated main weapon against Holmes. A press release at that time said Ruddock was fired because Holmes was having too much difficulty dealing with Ruddock's jab.

Here's a decent clip of a Holmes-Ruddock sparring session. Watch how good Ruddock's jab was.

Great info. Tyson was also a different fighter in 1986 than he was in the 90's. Nonetheless, both displayed decent skill, while eventually reverting to a slugfest, with the rematch probably being more entertaining than the first. Ruddock also showed some of that skill in the late rounds of their second meeting where he actually fended Tyson off pretty skillfully, a la Douglas. In return, Tyson showed rare form-of-heart and stamina by strategically taking the end of the fight. I think it was a good display for both men who had watched their best moments and greatest opportunities go by.

Nonetheless, Ruddock was definitely a sharper boxer early on, so I am agreeing wholly with your statement. He definitely would have been a welcome addition to an era of otherwise paltry collapse.

Brassangel
02-11-2007, 04:11 PM
This is poor quality, but here's a clip of Ruddock sparring with Holmes. Ruddock looked really good, especially in the 2nd round.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPIXnEuqNZA&NR