i'm getting frustrated because of my inability to get rid of a gut. if i flex hard i have a 6 pack, but if i let go a gut still hangs out.

i've been eating pretty well. sometimes i stray away but for the most part i eat pretty good stuff. chicken, fish, some steak, cutting down on the rice, eating more apples, only wheat bread, tons of water, only diet soft drinks, etc...

3-4x a week i do cardio on the cross trainer. i warm up for about 20-30 minutes then i do 30 minutes of intervals....2 minutes of easy resistance then 2 minutes of harder resistance. i lift, and i do ab workouts.

still this damn gut hangs out. do i need to intensify the cardio and make the resistance tougher? instead of more time doing intervals, should i do a tougher resistance for less time? so i do more real running instead of the cross-trainer (which i like because it has less impact on my joints)?

for the most part i'm naturally pretty skinny....5'10 and 162. basically every part of my body is thin...except the gut. i know it's the last fat to go away.

any recommendations on what i should do differently?

theres always liposuction.

I had this exact problem and I solved it with a psyllium-husk colon cleanse. I lost about 8 lbs and 3-4" off my waist in just a couple of weeks. Fair warning: the stuff that will come out of you is really freaking gross.

Thread on detox diets is here (http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76248&highlight=psyllium) ; my progress starts about six posts in.

i'm getting frustrated because of my inability to get rid of a gut. if i flex hard i have a 6 pack, but if i let go a gut still hangs out.

i've been eating pretty well. sometimes i stray away but for the most part i eat pretty good stuff. chicken, fish, some steak, cutting down on the rice, eating more apples, only wheat bread, tons of water, only diet soft drinks, etc...

3-4x a week i do cardio on the cross trainer. i warm up for about 20-30 minutes then i do 30 minutes of intervals....2 minutes of easy resistance then 2 minutes of harder resistance. i lift, and i do ab workouts.

still this damn gut hangs out. do i need to intensify the cardio and make the resistance tougher? instead of more time doing intervals, should i do a tougher resistance for less time? so i do more real running instead of the cross-trainer (which i like because it has less impact on my joints)?

for the most part i'm naturally pretty skinny....5'10 and 162. basically every part of my body is thin...except the gut. i know it's the last fat to go away.

any recommendations on what i should do differently?

Run

Do a few miles in the morning. A few miles at night. You will notice a massive difference within 2-3 weeks.

Stay away from liquor and beer, no other vices either.

Drugs do the same thing in other ways. People that use Cocaine binge and don't eat for days...their bodies go into starve mode and they store fat in their midsection. Weed smokers get the munchies and accidentally eat 5,000 calories in one day unknowingly.

I know nobody admits wants to admit their guilty pleasures....but I'd hazard to guess most of us here aren't as health conscious as we think we are.

Oh and um, run.

Forget jogging, run liners on a tennis court as fast as you can over and over. Make sure you don't cheat and bend down to touch the lines.

Make sure you dont have a weak core

I have the same problem, it's the last place fat will leave a man's body, but the first place that fat will be stored.

In order to burn fat.....you have to get your heart rate in the target zone. To do that....is to maintain excruciating activity for a long time. ****......hitting the bag with a ridiculous amount of punches in bunches non stop for a long time is as good a workout as you can get in my best estimation. Especially if you're moving laterally side to side. I'm talking about throwing power punches and really committing to combinations over and over.

In other words....you just need to work your ass off.

actually boxing's not that good for weight maintenance.
even if you get your legs into your punches, it's still not enough to really burn a ton of calories- that's why you see so many fat heavyweight pros who train 5 or 6 hours 5 times a week.

i'd say most boxers are actually joggers as far as weight management goes, the jogging doing much more to keep them fighting trim than their training.

from my own personal experience, when i focus exclusively on cardio and weights, i have an easier (although not "easy") time maintaining weight.

Part of your fat storage problem is genetic, part hormonal, and part in how well your diet handles your body's insulin requirements.

That last little bit is usually the hardest part to get off. I wouldn't try getting there through starvation, it may work for a few days, but afterwards your bf% will ****e a bit. I'd really suggest being more strict on how you do the 5 meals a day thing.

run in the morning and do situps at night.enough said.

WATER TABLETS (DIURETICS)

Water tablets are used to help your kidneys remove extra fluid. they are best taken in the morning; taking them at night could keep you running to the toilet in the night. there are two main tablets used:-BUMETANIDE and FRUSEMIDE. they are usually taken in the morning and possibly at lunchtime as well. Side effects can include dizziness or feeling sick - try taking the tablets with food.


METOLAZONE is a more aggressive water tablet used occasionally. When used it can be taken daily or just a few days a week depending on you. Side effects can include dizziness or feeling sick - try taking the tablets with food.

I am going to disagree with the above recommendation for diuretics. Diuretics will increase your "cut," but at the cost of dehydrating you. They can be dangerous if they are misused.

If your problem is, as you stated in your original post, that you can have a six-pack when you flex but when you relax your gut sticks out, you may have a bunch of crap (literally) inside that's pushing your abs out from the inside. If that's the case, then no amount of cardio or situps will remedy this; you may need to clean it out.

How old are you?

I am going to disagree with the above recommendation for diuretics. Diuretics will increase your "cut," but at the cost of dehydrating you. They can be dangerous if they are misused.

If your problem is, as you stated in your original post, that you can have a six-pack when you flex but when you relax your gut sticks out, you may have a bunch of crap (literally) inside that's pushing your abs out from the inside. If that's the case, then no amount of cardio or situps will remedy this; you may need to clean it out.

How old are you?

To be honest I don't know a huge amount about them and how dangerous they may be, I just threw it up there as a possibility. I know some sports stars have talked about the benefits, certainly in a short-term capacity anyway.

To be honest I don't know a huge amount about them and how dangerous they may be, I just threw it up there as a possibility. I know some sports stars have talked about the benefits, certainly in a short-term capacity anyway.

No problem. They can be very effective if they're used under the care of an experienced trainer. I just don't think that excessive water weight is his problem; at least, it doesn't sound like it from his description.

I am going to disagree with the above recommendation for diuretics. Diuretics will increase your "cut," but at the cost of dehydrating you. They can be dangerous if they are misused.

If your problem is, as you stated in your original post, that you can have a six-pack when you flex but when you relax your gut sticks out, you may have a bunch of crap (literally) inside that's pushing your abs out from the inside. If that's the case, then no amount of cardio or situps will remedy this; you may need to clean it out.

How old are you?

I turn 27 in a couple months.

thanks 4 the recommendations.

actually boxing's not that good for weight maintenance.
even if you get your legs into your punches, it's still not enough to really burn a ton of calories- that's why you see so many fat heavyweight pros who train 5 or 6 hours 5 times a week.

i'd say most boxers are actually joggers as far as weight management goes, the jogging doing much more to keep them fighting trim than their training.

from my own personal experience, when i focus exclusively on cardio and weights, i have an easier (although not "easy") time maintaining weight.

Part of your fat storage problem is genetic, part hormonal, and part in how well your diet handles your body's insulin requirements.

That last little bit is usually the hardest part to get off. I wouldn't try getting there through starvation, it may work for a few days, but afterwards your bf% will ****e a bit. I'd really suggest being more strict on how you do the 5 meals a day thing.
might be true. i was told that more calories get burned from doing exercises that use larger muscle groups of the body eg- leg muscles for running, cycling etc.

might be true. i was told that more calories get burned from doing exercises that use larger muscle groups of the body eg- leg muscles for running, cycling etc.

Current exercise science holds that burning fat requires low-intensity exercise for long periods of time. Walking fast (4 miles per hour or so) for an hour is an excellent fat burner. You want your heart rate in the 120-140 bpm range for over 40 minutes, depending on your age; the older you are, the lower that heart rate should be. At my age (36), I'm aiming for 120-125. That's a brisk walk for me. There are plenty of calculators online to determine your optimum heart rate for burning fat.

It's not merely an equation of calories burned; if you burn calories too aggressively, then once your glycogen (sugar) stores are depleted, your body will turn catabolic and start breaking down muscle. What you want to do is exercise until your glycogen levels are depleted -- typically 20 minutes or so; sometimes as much as 40 minutes depending on diet, metabolism, and how recently (and what) you've eaten. If you continue to exercise moderately after this point your body will burn fat.

An evening at the boxing gym -- 90 minutes to 2 hours at 800+ calories per hour -- is a very catabolic workout. You go from burning glycogen right to burning muscle at that rate.

Pork Chop is correct that boxers' morning jogs do more for weight management than for cardio conditioning.

Just as a side note man, fruit is good, no question there. Getting your simple sugars from fruits is highly recommended. BUT they are still simple sugars. Despite what your granny told you, there IS no difference between the sugar in an apple and that in a cookie(Apples do however have glucose,fructose, and then glucose-fructose [sucrose, which is "sugar") Now ya, the sugar is not refined. Refined sugar is worse for you in other ways, true. But when that glucose molecule (well pyruvate for any bio-nerds out there) enters your mitochondia, it looks the same, be it from apple, cookie, whatever. Loading up on sugars will create fat. Simple as that. Also, make sure you have lots of lean muscle to store glycogen (sugar) in its good form. Finally, eat small meals through out the day. It's a bit of a long story, but basically your body will deposit less fat that way. Good luck with it man.

And fraidy cat's right, a bowel problem is not out of the question, do you have any abdominal pains?

Fraidy, how bad did the Psyllium taste and does it come in pill form...? I've seen it before, and I'm sure I could use it. But just not sure if I can stomach it.

Fraidy, how bad did the Psyllium taste and does it come in pill form...? I've seen it before, and I'm sure I could use it. But just not sure if I can stomach it.

The psyllium I got is apple flavored. It has a faint green-apple taste, kind of sour. Not bad when mixed with water, though when I mixed it with organic apple juice it tasted great. Unflavored psyllium sucks ass. It tastes horrible. Don't take it as a pill; it has to mix with water and thicken in order to work.

According to numerous articles in Men's Health (take it as you might) the most effective way of increasing you metabolism, thus reducing body fat, is lots of interval training. Can do any lenght or time. I can vouch for this from recent personal experience also. I have been stuck at about 175,6,7 for a few months now. I usually ran for 30 minutes in the morning and boxed for a couple of hours in the afternoon. Recently, I stopped doing the 30 minute runs which I did at moderate pace and switched to only interval training. I will run hard for a given lenght of time (100m, 400m, 3 minutes, whatever) and then jog at a quick but not super fast pace for a minute or so. I started this last Monday and today I am down to 168. The reason this works is it stresses your body out and your body can never get use to the training which is what usually happens with the daily 30 minute runs. Another benefit of this style of training is that is mimicks what you are doing in the ring. Long 30 minute runs work on your aerobic capacity; however, much of boxing is anaerobic (high intensity bursts of speed followed by short rest periods) and this style of training works on your anaerobic capacity (or how well your body can use and transport oxygen). I have again only been doing this for a little over a week; however, today I did the longest session of mitt work that I have ever done at once-BY FAR. Also, it you are pressed for time, you may want to try a metabolic enhancer-just be careful. Need to drink lots of water and some have banned substances that may get you in trouble if you ever have to do a piss test after a fight. Hope this help-I am no doctor-but it has worked well for me.

According to numerous articles in Men's Health (take it as you might) the most effective way of increasing you metabolism, thus reducing body fat, is lots of interval training. Can do any lenght or time. I can vouch for this from recent personal experience also. I have been stuck at about 175,6,7 for a few months now. I usually ran for 30 minutes in the morning and boxed for a couple of hours in the afternoon. Recently, I stopped doing the 30 minute runs which I did at moderate pace and switched to only interval training. I will run hard for a given lenght of time (100m, 400m, 3 minutes, whatever) and then jog at a quick but not super fast pace for a minute or so. I started this last Monday and today I am down to 168. The reason this works is it stresses your body out and your body can never get use to the training which is what usually happens with the daily 30 minute runs. Another benefit of this style of training is that is mimicks what you are doing in the ring. Long 30 minute runs work on your aerobic capacity; however, much of boxing is anaerobic (high intensity bursts of speed followed by short rest periods) and this style of training works on your anaerobic capacity (or how well your body can use and transport oxygen). I have again only been doing this for a little over a week; however, today I did the longest session of mitt work that I have ever done at once-BY FAR. Also, it you are pressed for time, you may want to try a metabolic enhancer-just be careful. Need to drink lots of water and some have banned substances that may get you in trouble if you ever have to do a piss test after a fight. Hope this help-I am no doctor-but it has worked well for me.

i posted a similar post to this with the interval running and how it mimicks what you do in the ring and your right it is great for burning fat,but you did put it in more detail than i did anyway good post man.

i'm getting frustrated because of my inability to get rid of a gut. if i flex hard i have a 6 pack, but if i let go a gut still hangs out.

i've been eating pretty well. sometimes i stray away but for the most part i eat pretty good stuff. chicken, fish, some steak, cutting down on the rice, eating more apples, only wheat bread, tons of water, only diet soft drinks, etc...

3-4x a week i do cardio on the cross trainer. i warm up for about 20-30 minutes then i do 30 minutes of intervals....2 minutes of easy resistance then 2 minutes of harder resistance. i lift, and i do ab workouts.

still this damn gut hangs out. do i need to intensify the cardio and make the resistance tougher? instead of more time doing intervals, should i do a tougher resistance for less time? so i do more real running instead of the cross-trainer (which i like because it has less impact on my joints)?

for the most part i'm naturally pretty skinny....5'10 and 162. basically every part of my body is thin...except the gut. i know it's the last fat to go away.

any recommendations on what i should do differently?




Rocky Marciano never had much of a gut during the course of his boxing career. (What happened after his career was over is another matter!) Good old fashioned boxing training will trim off the fat and get you fit enough to fight 12 hard rounds. It is entirely possible that you are overly conscious of your midsection. Perhaps you should think more about getting in shape and less about becoming a magazine model. Boxers don't need to be pretty, they just have to fight 12 rounds without boring the fans. You are pretty enough already.

The psyllium I got is apple flavored. It has a faint green-apple taste, kind of sour. Not bad when mixed with water, though when I mixed it with organic apple juice it tasted great. Unflavored psyllium sucks ass. It tastes horrible. Don't take it as a pill; it has to mix with water and thicken in order to work.



Thanks man. Its inspiring reading your posts !

@tuffenoughboxer

Good post !

people are saying 2 different things....i dont know who to listen to any more.

people are saying 2 different things....i dont know who to listen to any more.

You need to read the entire thread carefully.

There are three reasons your gut hangs out.

1.) Lack of muscle tone ("swayback.") The original poster says that he exercises regularly and does ab workouts, so this is likely not the problem.

2.) Abdominal fat. The original poster says that he is 5'10" and 162 lbs and has a 6-pack when he flexes. A 6-pack would not be visible, flexing or not, under a layer of abdominal fat, so this is likely not the problem, either.

3.) Intestinal buildup and bloating, pushing the stomach muscles out from within. I believe this to be the problem, from his description. And the fix for this is safe and healthful regardless. I believe that he should do the fiber cleanse while continuing on his exercise routine.

This does not seem to be an issue regarding excess fat accumulation. As such, I don't believe that exercise alone will solve the problem that he has described.

nah, i got you...i understand whats going on....

im saying as far as jogging goes.....some people say a long slow paced run is better for burning fat/calories....and some people say the opposite.

The key is longevity... if you're tryin' to burn those calories. The interval training they're talkin' about is good, but they still do it for quite a while. For example, running for half an hour, mixing between jogs, runs and sprints, is gonna be more beneficial than just a normal 30 minute "Run". It keeps your heart rate changing.

Rocky Marciano never had much of a gut during the course of his boxing career. (What happened after his career was over is another matter!) Good old fashioned boxing training will trim off the fat and get you fit enough to fight 12 hard rounds. It is entirely possible that you are overly conscious of your midsection. Perhaps you should think more about getting in shape and less about becoming a magazine model. Boxers don't need to be pretty, they just have to fight 12 rounds without boring the fans. You are pretty enough already.

:D

I don't box, well not seriously, just for fun/shape. If I was serious about boxing then I'd care less about my physique/looks.

You need to read the entire thread carefully.

There are three reasons your gut hangs out.

1.) Lack of muscle tone ("swayback.") The original poster says that he exercises regularly and does ab workouts, so this is likely not the problem.

2.) Abdominal fat. The original poster says that he is 5'10" and 162 lbs and has a 6-pack when he flexes. A 6-pack would not be visible, flexing or not, under a layer of abdominal fat, so this is likely not the problem, either.

3.) Intestinal buildup and bloating, pushing the stomach muscles out from within. I believe this to be the problem, from his description. And the fix for this is safe and healthful regardless. I believe that he should do the fiber cleanse while continuing on his exercise routine.

This does not seem to be an issue regarding excess fat accumulation. As such, I don't believe that exercise alone will solve the problem that he has described.






Interesting analysis.

I had a few colonic irriations back in the 1980's. The guy doing them dropped dead, and I don't think anybody replaced him in this area. Anyway, there is an unbelievable amount of sludge in a person's colon that can remain there for years. Might be the reason for high rates of colon cancer these days.

According to numerous articles in Men's Health (take it as you might) the most effective way of increasing you metabolism, thus reducing body fat, is lots of interval training. Can do any lenght or time. I can vouch for this from recent personal experience also. I have been stuck at about 175,6,7 for a few months now. I usually ran for 30 minutes in the morning and boxed for a couple of hours in the afternoon. Recently, I stopped doing the 30 minute runs which I did at moderate pace and switched to only interval training. I will run hard for a given lenght of time (100m, 400m, 3 minutes, whatever) and then jog at a quick but not super fast pace for a minute or so. I started this last Monday and today I am down to 168. The reason this works is it stresses your body out and your body can never get use to the training which is what usually happens with the daily 30 minute runs. Another benefit of this style of training is that is mimicks what you are doing in the ring. Long 30 minute runs work on your aerobic capacity; however, much of boxing is anaerobic (high intensity bursts of speed followed by short rest periods) and this style of training works on your anaerobic capacity (or how well your body can use and transport oxygen). I have again only been doing this for a little over a week; however, today I did the longest session of mitt work that I have ever done at once-BY FAR. Also, it you are pressed for time, you may want to try a metabolic enhancer-just be careful. Need to drink lots of water and some have banned substances that may get you in trouble if you ever have to do a piss test after a fight. Hope this help-I am no doctor-but it has worked well for me.

Yeah that's pretty good.

I'm trying something similar, run-walk 1-2 miles in the morning, then going to the exercise bike for 20 minutes. Evening I lift weights and don't eat after 7.

bunch of good solutions mentioned

bunch of good solutions mentioned

I think this guy should be the one giving advice, ha ha!!

Whenever I see a little bit of excess fat forming around my stomach I go on a veggie diet for a few days and loose it all, but I do have very good metabolism.

It's all quite simple. Its discipline and hard work.


Can you manage to eat veggies and fruit ALL day (few have the will to do it for more then a day or two) ? Low calorie intake and exercise will burn all that fat off because the body NEEDS the energy. If you keep eating, then your body will use food in your stomach for energy and never get to burn up the fat.

Personaly took courses in exercise science, spoke to numerous people who are majors in this field and its all quite simple. There is a huge industry out there for "fat loss" and new bull**** is invented everyday.


Wanna loose fat? Eat food very low in calories three times a day. Have a brocolli head, some bannanas and apples, a hard boiled egg.

Because you will not intake enough calories to support your bodies needs it will go to your fat and use that for energy.

A lot of people start to eat healthy thinking they will loose weight. Well sure you will, but most of the time those diets arent that much less in calories. The fact that youll have 500 calories less in a day then you previously would, will do ****-all for your fat loss.


More Calories in then out = weight gain
More calories out then in= weight loss.
Its that simple.

I know this will seem like a cliche...but i have this same problem too. i have been doing massive amounts of cardio along with working all of my major muscle groups for the past four weeks, and i have cut down my body fat % a lot, but i still have this area at the top of my abs where this fat wont go away. i run intervals for 10-14 miles a day, exercise bike for 5 miles and do oblique and rectus abdominal workouts daily, but it wont go away!...im confused...

Dieting promotes obesity according to the Journal of Obesity.....

I've been told b4 that one of the best ways to burn excess fat from this are is going for a run wear a plastic bag round ur stomach (a cheap version of the sweat suit). Any truth in this? I was told that it's because u obviously sweat more so dehydrate urself faster and burn fat instead of water.

I've been told b4 that one of the best ways to burn excess fat from this are is going for a run wear a plastic bag round ur stomach (a cheap version of the sweat suit). Any truth in this? I was told that it's because u obviously sweat more so dehydrate urself faster and burn fat instead of water.

Sorry but that makes no sense at all.
Water contains no calories- your body cannot use water for energy, therefor your body wouldn't be burning it.

the only argument i can see for a sweat suit is that it keeps your core temperature up, so your body has to work harder to pump blood away from your core in order to cool it off. this is why working out in extreme heat is so much harder than working out in the cold.

You can burn a few extra calories with this, the perceived effort is a lot higher when you're fighting against overheating, and you can even lose a few pounds of water weight through sweating- but it does have it's drawbacks. You need to be very careful that you don't overheat or get too dehydrated, like Martin Lawrence did a bunch of years back when he went into a coma trying to lose weight for Blue Streak.

^ well i know it wasnt for big moma's house LOL

the colon cleansing stuff and psyillum husk didn't really work, so i guess I'm healthier than i thought and don't carry that excess crap.

I've been exercising frequently with the cardio and doing some weight lifting as well...I'm losing some weight and getting slightly more defined.

The gut is still there but there's some improvement. Later in the day part of the reason it sticks out more since I drink about 1.5 liters of water at work and another liter or so after work.

Down to 155 lbs from the low 160s.