Are there any? Is there anyone that thinks it worth while helping the poor and seeing to it that everyone has access to edutcation and health care?

I am a socialist at heart

Thank you for answering Bzob. You're a shining example to everyone else.

Just becareful not to posion yourself next time

I'm canadian. Does that count.

It sure does, I think that you count as double. Yay for Canada

Creed, it does seem these days that those core issues are forgotten, with all the political turmoil going on. Greed rules the day, at least among a large percentage of the US population. We are getting farther and farther away from wanting to use our resources for helping the country as a whole. The "haves" care less about the "have-nots" every day. Sad times.

Originally posted by computer fogie
Creed, it does seem these days that those core issues are forgotten, with all the political turmoil going on. Greed rules the day, at least among a large percentage of the US population. We are getting farther and farther away from wanting to use our resources for helping the country as a whole. The "haves" care less about the "have-nots" every day. Sad times.

Could not have said it better myself. The American Dream has been replaced by American Greed.

I think its funny you spelled education wrong......

Me too

Thanks Zen420. I'm not even talking about corruption, graft, or the Mafia with this thought. I'm not complaining about Republicans or Democrats or Jews or Arabs. It's our lack of community concern towards our country (and world, and species, and planet while I'm at it) as a whole. I think Creed was lamenting this in his post. I was trying to say that it's sad how we (ordinary citizens) have gotten so used to the terrible injustices and suffering that so many people are subject to every single day. Once we learn to carry on with our own personal lives oblivious to this, the whole matter gets less and less important to us. Each generation has less of a sense of community, the basic concern for others. It's leading us to a very bad place.

i think it boils down to our goals in life. me, personally i have no problem dedicating my entire life out towards the help of others. other people see it differently.
they see it as "well i'm only gonna live once so i might as well get mine."
unfortunately they usually find out too late that even if they obtain all of their own personal desires that they still remain empty inside.

qualities such as respect, loyalty, trust, love, care and honesty are but a dead withered cause nowadays.
but that gives us NO EXCUSE WHATSOEVER to conform to the ****ball ways of this world. i will never sell out my character no matter how much **** i'm dished.

I hope you have lots of children and friends, Purity, and your values rub off on them.

no children yet. gotta make me $$ first. only then i can focus on raising our future dictator of the world

It comes down to beliving what you are told or trying to decided things for yourself.

There seems to be a common belief that poor people are lazy or stupid. This is not true at all.

How many rich people ride a bus for 60 mins, work 2 jobs, 80 hours a week and go with about 4 hours sleep 6 or 7 days a week?

Its not simply about picking yourself up out of the gutter anymore. You just can't beat someone down, say "Oh, sorry about that" and think everything is ok. People need help to over come things like that.

The country and the planet as a whole are better off when fewer people are living in poverty. The trend toward tax cuts and less funding toward social programs is a sad trend. The people that get the most out of these tax cuts are the people that need it the LEAST.

The only people that enjoy being on welfare are the people that are scaming it. You aren't going to stop them with the majority of the cuts and test and other degrading things that goverments seem to be doing these days. Honestly though, I don't think most people care. Throwing poor people off welfare and onto the streets seems to be the sport of choice for most rich white men.

Why do some people think that having more poor people, having more homeless people is a good thing? It gets them more money, but in the end they lose so much more. Are you going to feel safe having your kids go out at night? Are you going to be able to feel safe not having 3 or 4 locks on your door? Do you want to live in a town that has a locked gate and armed guards posted at the walls? And what kind of world are you going to hand over to your grand kids? If its like this now, imagine how its going to be in 20 years? 40 years? You are going to have family in the future think of them too.

I am starting to rant and there is more I want to say. I'll say it in another post sometime down the road.

- Creed


p.s forgive the spelling mistakes

**** poor people!
**** their excuses!
**** their rants and raves and "OH GOD THE WORLD SCREWETH ME OVER SO!!!"

we live in the best times possible. no matter what country you guys are posting from, you all have one thing in common:
YOU CAN CONTROL YOUR OWN DESTINY

poor people are ****ing lazy ******* who never got off their asses to make something of themselves. either that or they just conformed to the art of survival and let LIFE drag them down.

either way, there's NO ****ING EXCUSE.

i've been to the bottom, crawled out, been thrown back down, and repeated the cycle over and over and over and over again before making it.

the only ones who can't make it are the WEAK. hmmmm, i like that so i think i'll say it again:
THE ONLY ONES WHO CAN'T MAKE IT ARE THE WEAK.
and crying about government policies, economic situations, and pastime experiences are just another way for the WEAK to reassure themselves of their very own denial

I am not talking about becoming rich or anything like that purity, There are a lot of people that aren't going to make it in this world. There are a lot of people that aren't going to matter.

I am talking about the basics of life. To be able to afford a place to live, to be able to afford basic health care. Food, health care and shelter shouldn't be out of ANYONES reach.

The sad fact is, they are.

How sad is it its easier to afford a gun or a computer and the internet than to have health coverage for your kids?

Thats the problem with the world

it's a problem that's existed since day and will NEVER be solved. you can't be everything to everyone. all you can do is be true to yourself and those you interact with.

if i were living in a 3rd world ****ed up country i would do ANYTHING in my power to bring me and my family into a free country. i would dedicate my life to it.
in the end, i'm 99% sure that i would be able to do it. but EVEN if i couldn't..........as long as i died trying, then i die a happy man.

so there you have it. worst case scenario. and what one can do with it.

You do nothing because the solution isn't totaly clear? The problem seems so massive so you do nothing? It CAN be solved.

Its just that it would take a long time and a lot of hard work. Its so easy to say our social problems can never be solved. The fact is, if everyone works together, they can be

to solve the world's poverty. ok. you claim it....how you plan on doing it???

and even IF you find an answer.....think about it:
plenty of people are given the opportunity to get out of their ****piles but instead crawl right back into them.
so if you have some magical solution to get them out of it....would you really want these irresponsible people to be put in a "spoiled rotten" situation???

**** that. i still believe in the fact that EVERYBODY controls their own destiny

everyone should have the same basics in life. Thats all

I am not saying that we can fix it so that EVERYONE makes it big in this world.

I am just saying we CAN fix it so that people don't have to worry about dying on the streets.

which brings us back to my point:

LIFE AIN'T FAIR

this is not a new concept. it's something that everybody has had to come to grips with sometime or another.
just remember that it's not where you stand but it's in which direction you move.

Life isn't fair? Your right, its not.

However, it could be A LOT better. If people were willing. They aren't, and thats the tragity

Since were talking politics ill interject


All Liberals should die

some people are willing. some aren't. some are just a little bit and so on....

and that's why you have different classes. this, too, has existed since day one

Originally posted by Christopher Chaos
Since were talking politics ill interject


All Liberals should die

You would actually be surprised how many convervitises have that opinion. Thats actually one of thier main arguments. That just because I think everyone should be able to aford thier basic needs that I should die.

Thank you very much sir

i wasnt aiming anything directly towards anyone on this forum if u post here ur ok with me

Originally posted by Creed
I think everyone should be able to aford thier basic needs


they should and they CAN. those don't won't.

Purity, I think you should be sterilized and held in solitary confinement for life. :)

You want a leftist Liberal? There goes computer fogie right there. haha

I am for helping people less fortunate.

Originally posted by Purity
they should and they CAN. those don't won't.

Do you know the details behind the school shooting in flint michigan? If you do, then you should know that someone working 80 hours a week wasn't able to afford her rent and that directly lead to the shooting.

well boo ****ing hoo for that person.

i know about that story. there's PLENTY of kids who were raised in ****ty environments. my mother raised both me and my cousin all by herself as a single parent 21 years old.
at the same time she put herself through full time school AND started her own graphic designing business. income-wise, she EASILY qualified for welfare but refused to collect it. she still spent time with me and my cousin and cared for us as best as she could.

now let's take a look at the realities of your bull**** story. the mother who was evicted was an obvious dumb****. aside from leaving a loaded ****ing gun in the house for her 6 year old to smuggle into school, it is IMPOSSIBLE to work 80 hours a week and not be able to afford rent. but even if so, FIND A HIGHER PAYING JOB. and, cmon now! a young single mother with 3 ****ING KIDS.
HELL--OOOO!!!!! couldn't you have gotten the hint after the 1st one???
hmmmm, let's see....i have a low paying job and can barely afford to live, and now i have a baby and that's gonna cost even MORE money. well ****! whaddya say we pump another 2 out!!

she's probably got ****ed up shopping, drug, alcohol, and gambling problems where she squandered off all her money on too.

and before you go painting your beautiful norman rockwell picture, understand that any kid who is 6 YEARS OLD and has no problem shooting a fellow student over a playground scuffle OBVIOUSLY is not being too cared for at home. his whore mom probably forgot he even existed half the time.

i'm all for helping less fortunate people too waylander. but i do it cause God tells me to. also because, i was once in their shoes and i remembered how much i appreciated the VERY VERY VERY little amounts of help i recieved.
but i am NOT about to show any ****ing sympathy for the weak.

so, once again, i shall conclude:
**** that mother
**** that son
**** weak people who childishly take their own misfortunes out on the rest of the world.

I guess thats where we disagree.

It is possible to work 80 hours and not being able to afford your rent. It has to be, because she WAS getting evicted.

BTW, the gun was not found at her house, but the uncles house where the childern were staying while she looked for a new place to live.

i didn't say HER house, i said THE house. i know the uncle left it but it aint the uncle's kid. it's the MOTHER'S. and she is ultimately responsible for it.

just that you get evicted doesn't mean that you can't afford the rent. 99% of time it's because you're too ****ing stupid to know how to handle your money.

if this woman really loved her kids then she wouldn't have put them in a position to be homeless.
if this woman really loved her kids then she wouldn't have raised them in a household that built the kinda values into them that greenlight the killing of fellow classmates.

and don't give me that "oh, we live in the ghetto and see such horrid things on the streets that pollute our minds" bull**** speech either.

PLENTY of kids live in the ghetto and how many of them are shootin up classmates???
usually these shootings happen in middle-class suburbia. and it's always from families who pay absolutely NO attention to the kids whatsoever and don't even bother noticing that their kid's self-esteem is lower than an underage tijuana hooker.

this cunt probably put her cigarettes out on the kid's chest everyday

Since we are talking about politics I would just like to say that if everyone would be aware how almost everyone are being screwed by the 0.01 % of the population that controls 90 % (sligthly exaggerated numbers but not far from the truth) of all companys, there would be revolution for sure. Sometimes I just get so upset that I want to stand up and scream because people just dont know. The problem is it is hard to explain it to common people. I also belive USA is a disgrace for the democracy. Everything is so "legally corrupted".

well that .01% controls it cause that .01% is a lot smarter than the other 99.99%

and since we've now grown accustomed to crying over how "the man" is oppressing everyone, understand that you're either part of the problem, part of the solution, or part of the scenery.

in democracy, you are given a choice to do whatever you want in your life. you can make it to the top if you want.
and if you don't wanna then that's fine too.....just don't go *****ing that the government and corporate america is dragging you down. only ****in babies do that and their miserable lives will reflect their pathetic fears of controlling their own destinies.

Originally posted by Purity
well that .01% controls it cause that .01% is a lot smarter than the other 99.99%



Hmm. this is not correct. In many cases the these .01% controls it beacuse their parents were among the .01%

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Originally posted by sloppyenglish
Hmm. this is not correct. In many cases the these .01% controls it beacuse their parents were among the .01%

some but not none. most of em earn their way to it. a lot of them do some pretty chicken**** tactics to get their as well.

but if you don't like it then do something about it. earn your way there, do it without selling your soul, and then make some changes.

if you don't plan on doing something about it then you have no right whatsoever to complain about it.

HANG ALL LIBERALS.