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American_Ninja
01-23-2007, 11:32 AM
First, some all-time and almost greats:

Felix Savon (358-17)
Teofilo Stevenson (302-20)
Laszlo Papp (301-12-6)
Terry Norris (291-4)
Virgil Hill (250-11)
Mike McCallum (240-10)
Kennedy McKinney (214-13)
Pernell Whitaker (201-14)
John Mugabi (195-5)
Vitali Klitschko (195-15)
Leon Spinks (181-9)
Sugar Ray Leonard (165-5)
Danny Romero (127-5)
Wilfredo Benitez (123-6)
Harry Arroyo (120-15)
Nino Benvenuti (119-1)
Jose Napoles (113-1)
Mark Breland (110-1)
Kid Chocolate (100-0)
Muhammad Ali (100-5)
Vinny Pazienza (100-12)
Meldrick Taylor (99-4)
Michael Carbajal (94-9)
Michael Spinks (93-7)
Tony Zale (87-8)
Sugar Ray Robinson (85-0)
Carlos Monzon (79-7)
Hector Camacho (75-4)
Maurice Blocker (73-3)
Roger Mayweather (64-4)
Simon Brown (63-2)
Willie Pep (62-3)
Yoko Gushiken (62-3)
Naseem Hamed (62-5)
Ingemar Johansson (61-10)
Alexis Arguello (58-2)
Wilfredo Gomez (58-2-1)
Henry Armstrong (58-4)
Marvin Hagler (55-1)
Felix Trinidad (51-6)
Joe Louis (50-4)
Azumah Nelson (50-2)
Michael Moorer (48-16)
Ray Mancini (43-7)
Ezzard Charles (42-0)
Nigel Benn (41-1)
Floyd Patterson (40-4)
Ricardo Lopez (37-1)
Benny Lynch (35-2)
Carlos Zarate (33-0)
Iran Barkley (30-4)
Edwin Rosario (30-2)
Vito Antuofermo (29-1)
Bobby Czyz (24-2)
Chiquita Gonzalez (23-0)
Jesse James Leija (23-5)
Chris Eubank (19-7)
Rocky Marciano (9-4)

Some current champions and contenders:

Oscar De La Hoya (223-5)
Jeff Lacy (209-12)
Evander Holyfield (160-14)
Wladimir Klitschko (134-6)
Zab Judah (110-5)
Erik Morales (108-6)
Diego Corrales (105-12)
Acelino Freitas (74-2)
Rosendo Alavarez (66-12)
Kassim Ouma (60-3)
Marco Antonio Barrera (56-4)
Ike Quartey (50-4)
Vivian Harris (45-5)
Juan Manuel Marquez (44-2)
Manuel Medina (40-6)
Jorge Arce (37-3)
Montell Griffin (36-5)
Antonio Margarito (21-3)
James Toney (20-2)
Jean-Marc Mormeck (13-2)
Nikolai Valuev (12-3)

The reverse can also be true for relatively modest amateur boxers. Future greats Julio Cesar Chavez (14-1), Roberto Duran (13-3), Buddy McGirt (54-9), James Toney (20-2), and Larry Holmes (19-3) are examples of men who perfected their craft in the pro rings. Ironically, they did so on the undercards of Olympic medalists they would later eclipse. While Chris Eubank (19-7), being a later starter to boxing while living in the States, perfected his craft in the gym over here before going back to Europe and becoming one of the most successful European boxers of all-time.

Run
01-23-2007, 11:33 AM
Yeah Wlad's amateur record was crazy, but Oscar's was ridiculous.

TheBeast07
01-23-2007, 11:37 AM
Benn lost less than Ali,

Rule Britannia!

Run
01-23-2007, 11:41 AM
Benn lost less than Ali,

Rule Britannia!

He also fought half as many amateur fights and against British street folk.

TheBeast07
01-23-2007, 11:44 AM
Benn only lost 2.5%, Ali nearly 5%.

I know who the better boxer is and what country he comes from

American_Ninja
01-23-2007, 11:50 AM
Benn only lost 2.5%, Ali nearly 5%.

I know who the better boxer is and what country he comes from

Pleeeease......How dare you compare Benn to the Greatest. Wanker!

ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY
01-23-2007, 11:56 AM
Please be advised...AGAIN... I would say all or 99 pct. of these records are NOT ACCURATE.... I KNOW THIS FOR FACT.. number one, amateur boxing records are very rarely kept accurately and there is no ruling body that keeps stats... even with American amateurs... the records are not kept.. you can't go to the National office and get the records and there is no fightfax for them, either... the national office only keeps track of national tournaments, that's it..... and take Benitez for example... he turned pro at 14... he didn't have 130 or so amateur fights at that time, OK??....... Most of the amateur recoerds you see reported are LITERALLY some reporter asking a guy and the fighter making a guess..I know a kid who I know for a FACT had at least THIRTY losses in his amateur career over a ten year span... he was reported to the crowd (in the program), though, at a tournament as having a record of something like 145-4.....because they ASKED HIM and he just made a number up. That happens all the time, believe me.

BuddyChacon
01-23-2007, 12:09 PM
The Benitez record made me suspicious also. Sugar Ray Robinson also was defeated as an amateur. What was your Amateur record Scully? Best guess.

The Wire
01-23-2007, 12:26 PM
Benn only lost 2.5%, Ali nearly 5%.

I know who the better boxer is and what country he comes from
lol he's gotta be an alt!

No one would say Nigel Benn was better than Ali if they even had a fleeting knowledge of boxing.

American_Ninja
01-23-2007, 12:53 PM
Please be advised...AGAIN... I would say all or 99 pct. of these records are NOT ACCURATE.... I KNOW THIS FOR FACT.. number one, amateur boxing records are very rarely kept accurately and there is no ruling body that keeps stats... even with American amateurs... the records are not kept.. you can't go to the National office and get the records and there is no fightfax for them, either... the national office only keeps track of national tournaments, that's it..... and take Benitez for example... he turned pro at 14... he didn't have 130 or so amateur fights at that time, OK??....... Most of the amateur recoerds you see reported are LITERALLY some reporter asking a guy and the fighter making a guess..I know a kid who I know for a FACT had at least THIRTY losses in his amateur career over a ten year span... he was reported to the crowd (in the program), though, at a tournament as having a record of something like 145-4.....because they ASKED HIM and he just made a number up. That happens all the time, believe me.

How bout Duran and Chavez? They had very few amatuer fights it says.

BuddyChacon
01-23-2007, 12:57 PM
How bout Duran and Chavez? They had very few amatuer fights it says.

Duran's record could be correct. I read somewhere he lost his first 3 straight as an amatuer.

American_Ninja
01-23-2007, 01:02 PM
I can see your point John. But don't they verify all fights in Golden Gloves and Olympics? So like you said up until that point they could say anything. Then when they go into recognized tournaments the fights would be recorded with some agency. Personally, I would keep track of all my fights. Maybe not each opponents name but every W and L

American_Ninja
01-23-2007, 01:41 PM
First, some all-time and almost greats:

Felix Savon (358-17) 387-21......................
Teofilo Stevenson (302-20) 302-22
Laszlo Papp (301-12-6)
Terry Norris (291-4)
Virgil Hill (250-11)
Mike McCallum (240-10)
Kennedy McKinney (214-13)
Pernell Whitaker (201-14) Correct
John Mugabi (195-5)
Vitali Klitschko (195-15)
Leon Spinks (181-9)
Sugar Ray Leonard (165-5)
Danny Romero (127-5)
Wilfredo Benitez (123-6)
Harry Arroyo (120-15)
Nino Benvenuti (119-1)
Jose Napoles (113-1)
Mark Breland (110-1)
Kid Chocolate (100-0)
Muhammad Ali (100-5) 99-8
Vinny Pazienza (100-12)
Meldrick Taylor (99-4)
Michael Carbajal (94-9)
Michael Spinks (93-7)
Tony Zale (87-8)
Sugar Ray Robinson (85-0)
Carlos Monzon (79-7)
Hector Camacho (75-4)
Maurice Blocker (73-3)
Roger Mayweather (64-4)
Simon Brown (63-2)
Willie Pep (62-3)
Yoko Gushiken (62-3)
Naseem Hamed (62-5)
Ingemar Johansson (61-10)
Alexis Arguello (58-2)
Wilfredo Gomez (58-2-1)
Henry Armstrong (58-4)
Marvin Hagler (55-1)
Felix Trinidad (51-6)
Joe Louis (50-4)
Azumah Nelson (50-2)
Michael Moorer (48-16)
Ray Mancini (43-7)
Ezzard Charles (42-0)
Nigel Benn (41-1)
Floyd Patterson (40-4)
Ricardo Lopez (37-1)
Benny Lynch (35-2)
Carlos Zarate (33-0)
Iran Barkley (30-4)
Edwin Rosario (30-2)
Vito Antuofermo (29-1)
Bobby Czyz (24-2)
Chiquita Gonzalez (23-0)
Jesse James Leija (23-5)
Chris Eubank (19-7)
Rocky Marciano (9-4) Correct
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Mike Tyson 48-6
Shane Mosley 250-16
Lennox Lewis 94-11
Ricky Hatton 73-7
Kostya Tszyu 270-12
Floyd Mayweather Jr. 84-6
Some current champions and contenders:

Oscar De La Hoya (223-5) Correct
Jeff Lacy (209-12)
Evander Holyfield (160-14) Correct
Wladimir Klitschko (134-6)
Zab Judah (110-5)
Erik Morales (108-6)
Diego Corrales (105-12)
Acelino Freitas (74-2)
Rosendo Alavarez (66-12)
Kassim Ouma (60-3)
Marco Antonio Barrera (56-4)
Ike Quartey (50-4)
Vivian Harris (45-5)
Juan Manuel Marquez (44-2)
Manuel Medina (40-6)
Jorge Arce (37-3)
Montell Griffin (36-5)
Antonio Margarito (21-3)
James Toney (20-2)
Jean-Marc Mormeck (13-2)
Nikolai Valuev (12-3)
Roy Jones Jr. 121-13
Chris Byrd 275- ?
The reverse can also be true for relatively modest amateur boxers. Future greats Julio Cesar Chavez (14-1), Roberto Duran (13-3), Buddy McGirt (54-9), James Toney (20-2), and Larry Holmes (19-3) are examples of men who perfected their craft in the pro rings. Ironically, they did so on the undercards of Olympic medalists they would later eclipse. While Chris Eubank (19-7), being a later starter to boxing while living in the States, perfected his craft in the gym over here before going back to Europe and becoming one of the most successful European boxers of all-time.

I added a few names and updated the records. The more modern fighters records are more accurate.

BuddyChacon
01-23-2007, 02:18 PM
I added a few names and updated the records. The more modern fighters records are more accurate.

Tyson has been reported at 24-5 or something like that also. Sugar Ray Robinson is known to be wrong since Billy Graham beat him. I have seen boxing books from the forties with whole chapters on Graham as an amatuer. He was supposed to win titles left and right when he turned pro. De La Hoya went undefeated for like 5 yrs or so as an amatuer I know losing once before the Olympics in 92.

ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY
01-23-2007, 03:02 PM
yup. In Sugar Ray's book he himself talks about Graham beating him so there goes the 85-0 theory. They keep track of GG tourneys, olympics etc BUT they dont keep track of your record..they just keep track of each individual tournament.. they are annual tournaments so a lot goes on in between. The only guy who I know has a verifiable record is Breland's 110-1... Darryl Anthony beat him in 1981... if anybody else beat him i'm sure SOMEONE would have mentioned it by now

jabsRstiff
01-23-2007, 03:05 PM
I had the privilege of seeing a lot of Mark Breland's amateur fights, thanks to the excellent coverage given to amateur boxing back in the early 80's.
Let me tell you, knowing Breland was going to be fighting was every bit as exciting as a fight between some of the better pros.
Breland fought everyone from around the world, & usually KO'd them in spectacular fashion.

Phantasm
01-23-2007, 03:47 PM
I've always wondered how Savon and Stevenson would have done if they would have gone pro. I think I read somewhere that Ali thought Stevenson would have been an all time great.

BuddyChacon
01-23-2007, 03:50 PM
I've always wondered how Savon and Stevenson would have done if they would have gone pro. I think I read somewhere that Ali thought Stevenson would have been an all time great.

Savon was knocked out numerous times as an amateur and his chin wouldn't have held up.

jabsRstiff
01-23-2007, 03:55 PM
Gotta remember....
Savon & Stevenson were full grown men KOing guys around the 20 year-old mark.

ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY
01-23-2007, 04:13 PM
You are right about Breland as an amateur..when he was on network TV on the weekends it was like a big fight involving a top pro... I mean, his New York City GG title win was shown on ABC!! Back then the top amateurs were STARS and Mark scored some wicked knockouts along the way.

jabsRstiff
01-23-2007, 04:24 PM
You are right about Breland as an amateur..when he was on network TV on the weekends it was like a big fight involving a top pro... I mean, his New York City GG title win was shown on ABC!! Back then the top amateurs were STARS and Mark scored some wicked knockouts along the way.



John....

I remember they were trying to hype up a kid named Ron Essett. They ran a story on him in Bert Sugar's Boxing Illustrated, & his peple claimed he was the biggest hitting amateur out there.
I was pretty psyched when I tuned into an ABC show, & saw that Essett would be facing Breland. Breland knocked him out, I think in the second round.
That was just an amateur fight, with no kind of title or tourney on the line.

Damn....I'm almost tearing up, thinking back to those days !
"USA vs. The World In Amateur Boxing"....."Sugar Ray Leonard's Golden Gloves".....
Seeing chubby lil' Craig Payne upsetting Teo Stevenson....
Steve McCrory, Paul Gonzalez, the Canadians- DeWitt & O'Sullivan...

GEOFFHAYES
01-23-2007, 04:28 PM
Ron Essett was disgraceful against Eubank in that open-air event (pro), he was intimidated by Eubank's presence and too scared to throw a punch.

I heard Essett came very close to making the Olympic team though in '84, only losing close decisions to Frank Tate and Virgil Hill at Olympic Trials - both went on to win Olympic Gold's.

jabsRstiff
01-23-2007, 04:37 PM
Ron Essett was disgraceful against Eubank in that open-air event (pro), he was intimidated by Eubank's presence and too scared to throw a punch.

I heard Essett came very close to making the Olympic team though in '84, only losing close decisions to Frank Tate and Virgil Hill at Olympic Trials - both went on to win Olympic Gold's.



Considering Breland, Tate, & Hill were all in different weight classes......that just doesn't sound right. You're talking about about a leap through several weight classes, in a very short time.

ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY
01-23-2007, 05:00 PM
Ron is a good friend of mine and was a GOOD puncher. He won the North American title in 1983 at 147 and he also won the National Golden Gloves in 1984 at 156 pounds with a decision in the finals over future world champ William Guthrie. At 147 he was stopped by Breland.

GEOFFHAYES
01-23-2007, 05:04 PM
What was wrong with him against Eubank? Was he depressed or something or ill? That was honestly embarassing - Eubank was awful (even ridiculous) when he had to looking for an opponent, and Essett just ran away alnight and barely threw anything so it made for a terrible fight.

jack_the_rippuh
01-23-2007, 05:14 PM
What was wrong with him against Eubank? Was he depressed or something or ill? That was honestly embarassing - Eubank was awful (even ridiculous) when he had to looking for an opponent, and Essett just ran away alnight and barely threw anything so it made for a terrible fight.

Billy "The Preacher" Graham worships satan.

Phantasm
01-23-2007, 05:19 PM
Gotta remember....
Savon & Stevenson were full grown men KOing guys around the 20 year-old mark.

You are absolutely right. Forgot to consider that. Same thing with lots of the russian fighters...the cuban and russian fighters had tons of amateur experience. However, I do know that there was much hype about Stevenson and he was relatively young during that time.

Shame how our amateur program has gotten so bad.

Jim_Davis
01-23-2007, 06:36 PM
Rocky Marciano (9-4)

LOL

Good old Rocky.

RockyMarcianofan00
01-23-2007, 06:39 PM
Don't know if anyone pointed this out yet but Marciano's amateur record was 8-4 not 9-4

not that it makes a beg difference

ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY
01-23-2007, 10:09 PM
I was 57-13 as an amateur with 12 stoppages from 1983 to 1988... I kept my amateur record EXACTLY ...I have every detail... names, places, dates, venues, everything. My best year statistically was 1987 when I went 17-1 (with the lone loss coming in the finals of the 1987 National Golden Gloves Tournament of Champions

American_Ninja
01-23-2007, 11:33 PM
I was 57-13 as an amateur with 12 stoppages from 1983 to 1988... I kept my amateur record EXACTLY ...I have every detail... names, places, dates, venues, everything. My best year statistically was 1987 when I went 17-1 (with the lone loss coming in the finals of the 1987 National Golden Gloves Tournament of Champions

70 fights in 5 years, that seems like a lot of fights, but only 3 rounders.
What's the most fights that you or anyone else has had in 1 day or week?

Super_Lightweight
01-23-2007, 11:45 PM
My uncle was like 350-9 and was rated number one in the states for a time.

American_Ninja
01-24-2007, 12:00 AM
My uncle was like 350-9 and was rated number one in the states for a time.
Who is your uncle?

ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY
01-24-2007, 10:22 AM
Yea, I wanna' know who the uncle is, too :) As for me...I had FIVE fights in one week on two occassions (at the national Golden Gloves)...I also fought three times in one night one time and twice in a day another time.

Super_Lightweight
01-24-2007, 12:03 PM
Who is your uncle?

Tommy Kimmons...he reffed the 3rd Jones-Tarver fight and Jeff Lacy's recent fight, as well as some other notables.

joeytrimble
01-24-2007, 12:03 PM
yeah whos this uncle thats got more wins then delahoya byrd and every other boxers whos in the running for most amature fights ever

whos this warrior uncle ...and aint you the same kid who said your uncle is a ref too? ... damn you must have a hell of a boxing family !

uppercut_84
01-24-2007, 12:08 PM
Tommy Kimmons...he reffed the 3rd Jones-Tarver fight and Jeff Lacy's recent fight, as well as some other notables.

His got a record of 350-9 and he ends up becoming a ref?

You sure it wasn't more like 35-9?

Super_Lightweight
01-24-2007, 12:11 PM
whos this warrior uncle ...and aint you the same kid who said your uncle is a ref too? ... damn you must have a hell of a boxing family !

It's the same guy.

His got a record of 350-9 and he ends up becoming a ref?

You sure it wasn't more like 35-9?

Uhh, yes, I'm quite sure. He joined the military and never really did much in the pros, and then started his own business when he got out.

uppercut_84
01-24-2007, 12:14 PM
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=259516

Is that him? He had 1 professional fight and got knocked out.

ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY
01-24-2007, 12:22 PM
350-9? As an amateur..but he wasnt a top rated , national level amateur? I think, from my experience, that sounds VERY unlikely

BuddyChacon
01-24-2007, 12:25 PM
350-9? As an amateur..but he wasnt a top rated , national level amateur? I think, from my experience, that sounds VERY unlikely

He said he was ranked number 1 in the nation before. Some guys just spend too long in the Amatuers and excell there like Dezi Ford.

ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY
01-24-2007, 12:26 PM
Well, I could find out pretty easily :) Lemme check.

BuddyChacon
01-24-2007, 12:31 PM
Super lightweight is usually straight up about things.

Super_Lightweight
01-24-2007, 02:23 PM
350-9? As an amateur..but he wasnt a top rated , national level amateur?

He WAS a top-rated amateur, is what I said.

Super_Lightweight
01-24-2007, 02:25 PM
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=259516

Is that him? He had 1 professional fight and got knocked out.

I'm not sure if that's him, but he had a few pro fights so that is incomplete date if so. He was pretty old and weary by the time he went pro though, after having had so many amateur fights and starting his own business.

ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY
01-24-2007, 02:54 PM
I am just saying my man... I would have to think I would have heard about him somewhere along the line... IF he was a top rated amateur AND had that many wins with so few losses it would stand to reason he won National tournaments... yet I have never even heard of his name as an amateur. What year was he born, when did he box amateur?

Dye
01-24-2007, 03:54 PM
who is the #1 ranked middleweight in the amatuers right now

ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY
01-24-2007, 04:59 PM
Middleweight/165 lbs/75 kg
1. Shawn Estrada, E. Los Angeles, Calif. (325)
2. Edwin Rodriguez, Worcester, Mass. (320)
3. Jonathan Nelson, Little Rock, Ark. (255)
4. Daniel Jacobs, Brooklyn, N.Y. (250)
5. Shawn Porter, Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio (200)
6. Nick Brinson, Geneva, N.Y. (100)
7. Maurice Slade, Tracy, Calif. (75)
8. Fernando Guerrero, Fruitland, Md. (75)
9. Jesus Berrelleza, Fontana, Calif. (75)
10. Damar Singleton, Toledo, Ohio (50)
10. Richard Hargraves, San Francisco, Calif. (50)

Dye
01-24-2007, 05:00 PM
Middleweight/165 lbs/75 kg
1. Shawn Estrada, E. Los Angeles, Calif. (325)
2. Edwin Rodriguez, Worcester, Mass. (320)
3. Jonathan Nelson, Little Rock, Ark. (255)
4. Daniel Jacobs, Brooklyn, N.Y. (250)
5. Shawn Porter, Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio (200)
6. Nick Brinson, Geneva, N.Y. (100)
7. Maurice Slade, Tracy, Calif. (75)
8. Fernando Guerrero, Fruitland, Md. (75)
9. Jesus Berrelleza, Fontana, Calif. (75)
10. Damar Singleton, Toledo, Ohio (50)
10. Richard Hargraves, San Francisco, Calif. (50)

thanks ICE, were you ever ranked #1?

joeytrimble
01-24-2007, 05:04 PM
hey dynamite you ever watch chris byrds dismantaling of ross puritty?

Dye
01-24-2007, 05:18 PM
hey dynamite you ever watch chris byrds dismantaling of ross puritty?

nope sure havent and dont plan on it

Dye
01-24-2007, 05:19 PM
ICe, i feel dumb now, i just remebered you were a World Amatuer Champion LOL so i guess you were #1

Super_Lightweight
01-25-2007, 10:25 AM
Well you simply cannot have heard of everyone. He fought in the 70s and at very low weights...I believe he was at 92 lbs when he was 12 or so. Not sure where he was in his upper teens.

THE REAL NINJA
01-25-2007, 11:45 AM
Also one of Marciano's amature fights which was a loss is thought to have been a pro fight by some . Unless new info has came out .

BuddyChacon
01-25-2007, 11:47 AM
Well you simply cannot have heard of everyone. He fought in the 70s and at very low weights...I believe he was at 92 lbs when he was 12 or so. Not sure where he was in his upper teens.

You have no history of lying that I am aware of. I believe you.

THE REAL NINJA
01-25-2007, 11:57 AM
Well you simply cannot have heard of everyone. He fought in the 70s and at very low weights...I believe he was at 92 lbs when he was 12 or so. Not sure where he was in his upper teens.

Maybe he had some tough man type fights in there. I believe you as far as him being a good boxer and all but like they said the numbers are just so high .

ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY
01-25-2007, 02:21 PM
I was rated as high as #3 in the USA (I was # 4 at the time I turned pro) and I defeated the #1 and #2 in the world. I was NOT the world champion as an amateur, I beat the world champion (Darin Allen) but we didnt fight for his world title. It doesn't really work like that in the amateur ranks.

Super_Lightweight
01-26-2007, 01:36 PM
Maybe I can find an old magazine of his where it shows the amateur ratings from back in the 70s. Right now I am at college though so it will be a while. Maybe yall can remind me to ask him for it.

American_Ninja
01-26-2007, 02:04 PM
Yea, I wanna' know who the uncle is, too :) As for me...I had FIVE fights in one week on two occassions (at the national Golden Gloves)...I also fought three times in one night one time and twice in a day another time.

Damn, So how did you do on those 5 in one week and 3 in one night?

ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY
01-27-2007, 10:54 AM
I fought three times in one night in a state tournament (1984)... twice in one day at the PAL Nationals (1986)...and twice I had five fights in one week at the National Golden Gloves tournament (1987 and 1988)

American_Ninja
01-27-2007, 11:59 AM
I fought three times in one night in a state tournament (1984)... twice in one day at the PAL Nationals (1986)...and twice I had five fights in one week at the National Golden Gloves tournament (1987 and 1988)

Hey John, question for ya. Fighters who have like say 1 pro fight and are fighting on ESPN, how much do you think they make, as opposed to non TV fights? 500$, 1000$?

Dye
01-27-2007, 01:36 PM
I was rated as high as #3 in the USA (I was # 4 at the time I turned pro) and I defeated the #1 and #2 in the world. I was NOT the world champion as an amateur, I beat the world champion (Darin Allen) but we didnt fight for his world title. It doesn't really work like that in the amateur ranks.

well thats stupid, you beat him you should have got the championship. amatuer boxing sucks

ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY
01-27-2007, 05:24 PM
average 4 round fight for a average guy starting out, he makes 100 per round plus travel money

Emon723
01-28-2007, 02:08 AM
dLH was america's lone gold medalists in barcelona, I think one of dela hoya's amateur losses came from the same guy he beat in the finals of 92' olympics, was his name randolph from germany??

Dye
01-28-2007, 02:09 AM
dLH was america's lone gold medalists in barcelona, I think one of dela hoya's amateur losses came from the same guy he beat in the finals of 92' olympics, was his name randolph from germany??

yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! knocked him out with his eyes closed

BuddyChacon
01-28-2007, 02:12 AM
dLH was america's lone gold medalists in barcelona, I think one of dela hoya's amateur losses came from the same guy he beat in the finals of 92' olympics, was his name randolph from germany??

That is correct he was undefeated for 5 years until losing to Randolph which he did avenge in the games.