I don't know why everybody makes a big deal about sales. You could go platinum and have a sub-par album. It should be based on quality of music. I remember there was a time in hip hop if you went gold it was a good thing. Now if you go gold it's a flop. What the **** is up with that????

Basically these dayz rappers and artists go by numbers all they care about is sale numbers and not the quality and materials especially with all the beefs and controversies going on, they know that if they sell good it will keep other rappers mouth shut!!!

If you're a mainstream rapper, it's all about sales.
End of thread.

If you're a mainstream rapper, it's all about sales.
End of thread.

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Sales=Cash, Money makes the world go round. But as far as music I agree and don't care to much about Sales.

Sales=Cash, Money makes the world go round. But as far as music I agree and don't care to much about Sales.

Yup.........pretty much that sums it up.

I don't know why everybody makes a big deal about sales. You could go platinum and have a sub-par album. It should be based on quality of music. I remember there was a time in hip hop if you went gold it was a good thing. Now if you go gold it's a flop. What the **** is up with that????
"You do work, you don't eat, you don't grind you don't shine".....Sales will get you Paid in Full like Madd Hatta.....gold is great if your independent but if "Sony" put 3 million into you and you bring then 700 thousand then there lies a problem playa...

Sales=Cash, Money makes the world go round. But as far as music I agree and don't care to much about Sales.
good post playa...."The Soul Machine" didn't sale **** and that is my ****...

good post playa...."The Soul Machine" didn't sale **** and that is my ****...


People keep saying Nas should release another Illmatic.
Mark my words, if Nas released another Illmatic no one would buy it . Illmatic became popular when the street still had more power over the sales and back when the street wasn't full of kids who grew up on subpar lyrics and stupid cliches.

People keep saying Nas should release another illmatic. Mark my words, if Nas released another Illmatic no one would buy it. Illmatic was released at a time when the street had much more power over the sales and at a time when the streets weren't filled with a bunch of kids that grew up on weak lyrics and the same empty gangsta image repeated over and over again.

People keep saying Nas should release another illmatic. Mark my words, if Nas released another Illmatic no one would buy it. Illmatic was released at a time when the street had much more power over the sales and at a time when the streets weren't filled with a bunch of kids that grew up on weak lyrics and the same empty gangsta image repeated over and over again.
I dont think Nas could another Illmatic anyway. Premo wasnt on Hip Hop is Dead, that was a huge let down for me.

People keep saying Nas should release another Illmatic.
Mark my words, if Nas released another Illmatic no one would buy it . Illmatic became popular when the street still had more power over the sales and back when the street wasn't full of kids who grew up on subpar lyrics and stupid cliches.

Right on...........

Technique said it best:
"so if your message ain't ****, **** the records you sold
cuz if you go platinum, it's got nothing to do with luck
it just means that a million people are stupid as ****."

This rings true for a LOT of 'rappers' nowadays.

Commerical rappers back in the days used to get dissed hardcore. There isnt anyone or hardly anyone dissing them these days or they are called a hater. And no ones wants to be called a hater.

Because the music business is just that...a business.


Name one artist who wouldn't like to make a better living for themselves and their families...

Name one artist who wouldn't like to have a bigger fanbase...

Name one artist who wouldn't want to perform at a sold out arena...


At the end of the day, any artist that isn't handing out their music for free, is out for some kind of profit. Anyone who claims otherwise is a damn lie.

Artists come into the music business knowing that their sole purpose for being in the business, is to raise revenue. Now, we all know, or at least should know, that great music doesn't always equate into sales.


don't know why everybody makes a big deal about sales. You could go platinum and have a sub-par album. It should be based on quality of music

What 'IT' are you referring to...? What people base an album's success on...? It is all subjective to the listener...my favorite album might've been one of your most hated albums, and vise versa. So critical acclaim is simply a matter of one's opinions, which is going to be different for just about every person you ask.

So the only true way to measure an album's success, from a business standpoint, is to measure in the form of record sales, with the logic being that the more people who go out and spend their hard earned money on the music, the more successful they were at releasing something that appealed to the masses, which is every artist, record label, and business person's goal.

Because the music business is just that...a business.


Name one artist who wouldn't like to make a better living for themselves and their families...

Name one artist who wouldn't like to have a bigger fanbase...

Name one artist who wouldn't want to perform at a sold out arena...


At the end of the day, any artist that isn't handing out their music for free, is out for some kind of profit. Anyone who claims otherwise is a damn lie.

Artists come into the music business knowing that their sole purpose for being in the business, is to raise revenue. Now, we all know, or at least should know, that great music doesn't always equate into sales.




What 'IT' are you referring to...? What people base an album's success on...? It is all subjective to the listener...my favorite album might've been one of your most hated albums, and vise versa. So critical acclaim is simply a matter of one's opinions, which is going to be different for just about every person you ask.

So the only true way to measure an album's success, from a business standpoint, is to measure in the form of record sales, with the logic being that the more people who go out and spend their hard earned money on the music, the more successful they were at releasing something that appealed to the masses, which is every artist, record label, and business person's goal.
I'm not bashing an artist for trying to make money that's all fine. I'm saying that rappers should not discredit another person's music because it didn't sell. Which is the main premise for dissing nowadays. Besides the real money comes from touring your album sales basically pay the label back.

Because the music business is just that...a business.


Name one artist who wouldn't like to make a better living for themselves and their families...

Name one artist who wouldn't like to have a bigger fanbase...

Name one artist who wouldn't want to perform at a sold out arena...


At the end of the day, any artist that isn't handing out their music for free, is out for some kind of profit. Anyone who claims otherwise is a damn lie.


But like Vloors said, things were not always like this. Commerical artists used to get dissed; so it is not just a matter of human nature. As for your statement that anyone that is not handing out their music for free is just doing it for money, well let me give you an illustration :). Suppose a multibillionaire offered to give you an extra $100, 000 a year just for taking care of your children. What would you do? Would you say NO! I take care of my children because I love them and i'm not taking any money? There is no way you would say that (or atleast most people wouldn't). Now if you took the money would you be raising your children JUST for money? The point is that someone can be paid for something they love to do. Many rappers, if they had the spare time and the equipment would definately still make music even if they were not paid because they love it. We have to stop justifying materialism; it is a terrible thing for a generation of kids to be raised on.

when the street wasn't full of kids who grew up on subpar lyrics and stupid cliches.


this fraction of a sentence speaks volumes about whose hot today and why. standards are different - lower.

Commerical rappers back in the days used to get dissed hardcore. There isnt anyone or hardly anyone dissing them these days or they are called a hater

commercial rappers still are dissed by the majority. check out keith murrays kickin ass inc mixtape. it's focused on dissing some of todays rappers. good ****, as always, from keith.

commercial rappers still are dissed by the majority. check out keith murrays kickin ass inc mixtape. it's focused on dissing some of todays rappers. good ****, as always, from keith.
who does he come at in his songs.

prodigy and k solo are 2 that come to mind. the whole album is dedicated to ripping up other rappers.

it's a good album.

I'm not bashing an artist for trying to make money that's all fine. I'm saying that rappers should not discredit another person's music because it didn't sell. Which is the main premise for dissing nowadays. Besides the real money comes from touring your album sales basically pay the label back.



Rapper's opinions on other rappers should be taken with a grain of salt anyways. Hip Hop has always been about competing for the best style, and has always promoted being boisterous and arrogant, from its earliest years. And like I stated before, what else could you gauge the success of an album or artist besides sales, without it being subjective to the listener...?




But like Vloors said, things were not always like this. Commerical artists used to get dissed; so it is not just a matter of human nature. As for your statement that anyone that is not handing out their music for free is just doing it for money, well let me give you an illustration :).


Things weren't always like this, and at the same time, Hip Hop has never been nearly as big of a business as its ever been. Sure, commercial artists used to get dissed, and still do, all I'm saying is that the sole purpose of releasing a project at the commercial level ( which basically means anything that you didn't press up and distribute out of your trunk ) is to gain revenue. So sure, people can get paid to do what they love, and that applies to the underground artists, as well as the biggest mainstream acts.


Suppose a multibillionaire offered to give you an extra $100, 000 a year just for taking care of your children. What would you do? Would you say NO! I take care of my children because I love them and i'm not taking any money? There is no way you would say that (or atleast most people wouldn't). Now if you took the money would you be raising your children JUST for money? The point is that someone can be paid for something they love to do. Many rappers, if they had the spare time and the equipment would definately still make music even if they were not paid because they love it. We have to stop justifying materialism; it is a terrible thing for a generation of kids to be raised on.


I can see what you're trying to say, and all I will say about that is that if a rapper comprimises his artistic integrity for financial purposes, then you could label him a sellout. If not, then he's no different than the struggling underground artist. In no way is that justifying materialism.