Aside from the bull**** ending, how do you think he did in the match?
Where do you see him going now?
Could he become an actual middleweight threat if he trains more at this weight class?
Or could he go down to welter and rule there?

I thought he did well in the match vs Hopkins. All these people saying he got his ass kicked are trippin.

I dont think he should stay at middle. Its not a natural place for him to be and the last couple of fights have shown us that. I give Oscar props for at least moving up in wieght in his career to find the toughest challenge. I think Oscar should fight 1 or 2 more fights around welter and call it a career. I would like to see Trinidad and Wright. Not too interested in a 3rd Mosley fight.

Aside from the bull**** ending, how do you think he did in the match?
Where do you see him going now?
Could he become an actual middleweight threat if he trains more at this weight class?
Or could he go down to welter and rule there?
no chance on middleweight...

I thought he did well in the match vs Hopkins. All these people saying he got his ass kicked are trippin.

I dont think he should stay at middle. Its not a natural place for him to be and the last couple of fights have shown us that. I give Oscar props for at least moving up in wieght in his career to find the toughest challenge. I think Oscar should fight 1 or 2 more fights around welter and call it a career. I would like to see Trinidad and Wright. Not too interested in a 3rd Mosley fight.
From what I saw, I thought he did well against Hopkins.
Perhaps if he trains more and gets a chance to settle into that weight and be comfortable with it, he could make some noise there.
Maybe another fight with Hopkins and actually win this one then set up their third match.

He held his own against Hopkins in my eyes. He wasn't being battered or punished in the ring like so many thought he would but he was on his way to losing a decision. I have no problem with the end of the fight. It was a good bodyshot that hurt him and he couldn't recover. The people who say he didn't want to mess up his movie star looks and all that have to remember he is a fighter and I'm sure if he wanted a movie career he wouldn't have taken this fight or even become a boxer in the first place. You can clearly see that he wanted to get up but just couldn't.

You got to be crazy if you think De La Hoya would get a chance to fight Hopkins again. The guy says he's going to be out of the ring before he turns 41....that's 16 more months..

DLH is not a middleweight, but he fought like a true fighter and you cant hate on him for that.

As far as his future

He would be a heavy favorite over Spinks at 147 and would aslo be a favorite over Winky at 154.

DLH is not a middleweight, but he fought like a true fighter and you cant hate on him for that.

As far as his future

He would be a heavy favorite over Spinks at 147 and would aslo be a favorite over Winky at 154.
Even though he is not a true middleweight, couldn't he still hold his own in that division if he trained more and had a chance to be comfortable in that weight class?
Everyone thought he would look badly against Hopkins but he held his own.
What do you think would happen if DLH got settled into that weight class and went after Sturm again?

DLH is not a middleweight, but he fought like a true fighter and you cant hate on him for that.

As far as his future

He would be a heavy favorite over Spinks at 147 and would aslo be a favorite over Winky at 154.

I dont know if he would be favored against Wright, but I agree he would be a heavy fav over Spinks.

I think that Winky would be able to beat De La Hoya pretty easily actually, but I think that Oscar is a better boxer then Spinks and has more power then Spinks does to boot- it would be a blowout in Oscar's favor in that fight.

He would be favored against Wright. I wouldn't make him a big favorite but I think he can beat Winky in a close fight because Winky tends to be too defensive.

a fully motivated DLH Beats Winky easy in my opnion. Winky has been called underrated for so long he has become shamelessy overrated. Winky up until Mosley had lost ever time he had ever stepped up.

DLH couldn't handdle the size and strenght of Hopkins, but Winky is not a big strong pressure fighter he is a slick boxer and DLH can outbox him

hang up the gloves, he has nothing more to prove. :(

no chance on middleweight...


no one has a chance at Middleweight, That Div will belong to J. Tayor

hang up the gloves, he has nothing more to prove. :(
At this point i dont kare who De La Hoya is fighting - he lost a lotta respect in that fight last other nite from me personally.

I do give respect to his acting sat nite tho. GREAT PERFORMANCE! MAN HE SHOULD BE NOMINATED TO AN EMMY! BRAVO! BRAVO!

PEACE

no one has a chance at Middleweight, That Div will belong to J. Tayor
Even if the "Great" Roy Jones Jr went down there? :rolleyes:

Oscar's days as middleweight are done, he goes back to junior middle and would give Winky a very good fight (and lose to a superior skilled fighter).

Even if the "Great" Roy Jones Jr went down there? :rolleyes:


Humm, that would be a good one, the only person i can see beating J. Taylor is Tarver. but just like roy thats 2 different weight classes. but no one in the Div right now can handle Taylor.

Harry Connick Jr is awesome bro! Saw him in concert in Los Angeles about 12 years ago. As for DLH, I think he should stick it out in the middleweight division. Give it another go at Hopkins and if he loses then he should reevaluate his career.

Harry Connick Jr is awesome bro! Saw him in concert in Los Angeles about 12 years ago. As for DLH, I think he should stick it out in the middleweight division. Give it another go at Hopkins and if he loses then he should reevaluate his career.
****ing lucky bastard! :p
I haven't had a chance to see him live yet.

That's what I was thinking.
I think it's why DLH didn't do so well and was taken out by a weak body shot.
His body wasn't as hard as it should have been.
He managed to hold his own against Hopkins for a while though.
Which means if he just trains more and has time to settle in, he could do well in that division.

These are my thoughts of Oscar De La Hoya. Hopkins was so big and tough, every fighter Oscar De La Hoya fights from now on will feel easy to him.

I thought DLH proved once again he is true class, even though he lost it was an even fight until the body shot in the ninth.
Not only did he prove his pedigree, but he showed that Nard is finaly starting to age. DLH still has a career ahead of him, Nard maybe 1 or 2 fights depending on opponent.

"DeLaHollywood" will become an actor of Bruce Jenner-esque proportion! :cool:
Hopkins fights STURM...gets jabbed to death and retires as an all time champion. :)

"DeLaHollywood" will become an actor of Bruce Jenner-esque proportion! :cool:
Hopkins fights STURM...gets jabbed to death and retires as an all time champion. :)



You speak highly of sturm, He showcased a great fight on the 5th of June...

You preach that he would beat bernard hopkins, Well do you think he would in hopkins prime???? Just curious?


I havent seen much of sturm except in the De La Hoya fight and he looked pretty good. I would like to see him in some better matchups

Ikeke and Taylor are 2 guys I would REJOICE over Felix Sturm fighting.

There is no way Sturm has the capablities to beat Bernard prime or present. He gave Oscar a good fight but that was Oscars first fight as a middleweight and Oscar didn't even train seriously.

There is no way Sturm has the capablities to beat Bernard prime or present. He gave Oscar a good fight but that was Oscars first fight as a middleweight and Oscar didn't even train seriously.


STURM gave DLH a thorough beating. He was cheated out of an EASY victory. He administered far more punishment to DLH overall than Hopkins did. You haven't the SLIGHTEST idea about DLH's preparation for the fight so please keep your yapper void of lame excuses for Oscar. STURM is going to jab Hopkins' head off and make him look OLD. The end.

Ikeke and Taylor are 2 guys I would REJOICE over Felix Sturm fighting.


STURM is Hopkins' MANDATORY!

P.S. Has Hopkins really ever had a "prime"?

STURM is Hopkins' MANDATORY!

P.S. Has Hopkins really ever had a "prime"?



Good point on hopkins prime lol...He has a few shotty fights and then one megafight and then some low caliber opponents again and another megafight....


Hopkins stated he wants to make a 20th title defense and then go for the big fights....Hopkins has never been one to avoid mandatories, will definatly be interesting if the sturm fight came off. I would hope hopkins wouldnt lose just to see jones vs hopkins though.

STURM gave DLH a thorough beating. He was cheated out of an EASY victory. He administered far more punishment to DLH overall than Hopkins did. You haven't the SLIGHTEST idea about DLH's preparation for the fight so please keep your yapper void of lame excuses for Oscar. STURM is going to jab Hopkins' head off and make him look OLD. The end.

Excuse me but it doesn't take a genius to realise that Oscar was not happy with his performance OR his preparation for that fight. He knew he could have done better and the rest of the world did too. Sturm put up a valiant effort with his jab and i give him credit for it but that wasn't a focused Oscar. I don't care if you think i'm making excuses, that is a fact. In all honesty i thought Sturm had JUST won that fight but only by a point or two but at the end of the day the judges get the final decision. Sturm looks promising and he may put up a challenge in the middleweight division BUT only when Bernard retires in my opinion.

STURM won the fight 8-4 in rounds. My old man who is a complete Delahoya FANATIC called me during the last round to tell me Oscar got trounced. When they announced the decision he was shocked and agreed with the crowd who screamed "BULL****"! Oscar couldn't focus because he was getting a ramrod jab stuffed down his kisser every 5 seconds. STURM is going to beat Hopkins handily over the distance.....

STURM won the fight 8-4 in rounds. My old man who is a complete Delahoya FANATIC called me during the last round to tell me Oscar got trounced. When they announced the decision he was shocked and agreed with the crowd who screamed "BULL****"! Oscar couldn't focus because he was getting a ramrod jab stuffed down his kisser every 5 seconds. STURM is going to beat Hopkins handily over the distance.....

:) I admire your loyalty towards Sturm but it's not going to happen ever. Bernard will be victorious if they ever meet.

I have no loyalty to STURM. I do have quite a sweet tooth for winning though! Remember this Wez: hope with yer heart but bet with your head!

I have no loyalty to STURM. I do have quite a sweet tooth for winning though! Remember this Wez: hope with yer heart but bet with your head!

:D Spoken like a true gambler, in this case though i would be betting with my head by routing for Bernard and my heart.

The executioner will be victorious
http://www.szorito.hu/galeria/kiskep/926.jpg

Everyone thought he would look badly against Hopkins but he held his own.


Who's everyone? Half of boxingscene.com thought De La Hoya would win and a 2-1 underdog doesn't indicate that 'everyone' thought he'd look bad. This might be a minor point, but I see people already trying to revise history. Folks that thought DLH was the far superior boxer are now amazed that he was able to even compete with the man. Huh? What happened to all the comments about the hand and foot speed that was supposed to befuddle the old, slow-footed Hopkins?

Anyways, Oscar has options but him and Arum have to be much more flexible at the negotiating table to make them happen.

Who's everyone? Half of boxingscene.com thought De La Hoya would win and a 2-1 underdog doesn't indicate that 'everyone' thought he'd look bad. This might be a minor point, but I see people already trying to revise history. Folks that thought DLH was the far superior boxer are now amazed that he was able to even compete with the man. Huh? What happened to all the comments about the hand and foot speed that was supposed to befuddle the old, slow-footed Hopkins?

Anyways, Oscar has options but him and Arum have to be much more flexible at the negotiating table to make them happen.
Before the media started hyping the event.
Everyone said how Hopkins would do this and that and we would see an early KO.

Are you implying that you and half the board picked DLH because of media hype?

Are you implying that you and half the board picked DLH because of media hype?
I noticed that alot of the members backed DLH after the hype.
I've never really cared for Hopkins so I picked DLH from the start.
Since I only had two choices. :p

Oscar doesn't need to be in the middleweight division. He's too easily outpowered there. He couldn't hurt Sturm, and he was physically weak in comparison to Hopkins (fast as hell though, but still weak). I think Oscar should go back down and fight. There doesn't seem to be much of a future in the middleweight division for him, I don't think. If he is going to stay in the middleweights (which, I hope he doesn't), I would like for him to give Sturm a rematch.

me personally, i think he did well against hopkins for the first 3 rounds. in the 4th you could see he was starting to slow down, he didn't end with any fluries after that( his round stealing strategy), like the previous rounds.... but he's way to rich now to have that edge, and i don't care what anyone else says. when you got a **** load of cash, the last thing you really want to do is fight, you can talk about history and glory, honor, and all that. but you really lose the fighting edge, that hunger that makes you a balls out fighter when your rich, look at all the things he's accomplished in the ring (and out). maybe avenging his lost to tito would give him some fuel, but thats about it...

he really doesn't have anything to prove to anybody anymore, he's a great fighter and was a great champ, his plate is still full with boxing, just not with him in the ring anymore, as a fighter...

one example of a fighter who saw some cash and couldn't keep his edge was Vernon Forrest........

There is no way Sturm has the capablities to beat Bernard prime or present. He gave Oscar a good fight but that was Oscars first fight as a middleweight and Oscar didn't even train seriously.
Oscar couldn"t deal with the reach of the middleweights.

Hooked you up Dr Cynical with some good Karma points on your last thread. :p

oscar is tha greatest he is young and has lot of time

me personally, i think he did well against hopkins for the first 3 rounds. in the 4th you could see he was starting to slow down, he didn't end with any fluries after that( his round stealing strategy), like the previous rounds.... but he's way to rich now to have that edge, and i don't care what anyone else says. when you got a **** load of cash, the last thing you really want to do is fight, you can talk about history and glory, honor, and all that. but you really lose the fighting edge, that hunger that makes you a balls out fighter when your rich, look at all the things he's accomplished in the ring (and out). maybe avenging his lost to tito would give him some fuel, but thats about it...

he really doesn't have anything to prove to anybody anymore, he's a great fighter and was a great champ, his plate is still full with boxing, just not with him in the ring anymore, as a fighter...

one example of a fighter who saw some cash and couldn't keep his edge was Vernon Forrest........ Like Fernando Vargas said " It's hard to get up 5 in the mornin' to run 5 miles when you sleep in silk pajamas" and folks that is the real reason why OSCAR DE LA HOYA DID NOT GET UP and instead chose to pound the canvas. It's true I or we weren't the ones that got hit on that area but I really think that Oscar found a way to quit he just plain and simply didn't wanna fight. Forget the bodyshot for a second. Something about the early rounds too, I myself was thrown off with Oscar's strategy, but in my eyes he sure had a funny way of showing that he was the aggressor if you have the chance to review the "boring" fight whenever he would lead and do some of those flurries, I don't think he was really committed on landing anything, its as if he did 'em not to be on the offense but more to defend himself. Am I making sense here? Sorta similar as to when Roy Jones Jr. fought Tarver the second time. The best way for me to analogize it is , it's like someone pulling their guns out first, but hesitant to pull the trigger. I'd like to hear your guy's feedback. One funny image I have when Oscar De La Hoya threw those flurries against Bernard Hopkins, it looked like a man swinging his arms wildly because he's being swarmed by mosquitoes(lol) again someone defending themselves not someone going on the attack!

rsl....

I saw everything you described. You are dead-on.

The people on here who are calling that fight "tactical", "scientific", or a "boxing match" are either Oscar fans or people who really don't know the meaning of the words in quotes, when applied to this sport.

oscar is one of tha greatest hall of famers
he went from a ****in featherweight to middle weight
n u guys all think he should retire
i think he shouldnt and ya i dont think he should have a 3rd with mosley because we all know they robbed oscar
i think a rematch with tito
then wright,then sturm, then hopkins again

Oscar couldn"t deal with the reach of the middleweights.


i agree wez
and thats why i think oscar should have a few matches against like other middleweights like robert alllen or william joppy,
u dont go to tha undisputed middleweight champ rite away

oscar is one of tha greatest hall of famers
he went from a ****in featherweight to middle weight
n u guys all think he should retire
i think he shouldnt and ya i dont think he should have a 3rd with mosley because we all know they robbed oscar
i think a rematch with tito
then wright,then sturm, then hopkins again

TELL THEM BRO. REMIND ME, HOW MANY BELTS HAS HE WON?

TELL THEM BRO. REMIND ME, HOW MANY BELTS HAS HE WON?
Why did you resurrect this thread?

DLH won't be a dominating figure in the MIDDLE WEIGHT DIVISION so he might as well stay at 147 where he can compete at his best.

And I have posted this and I'll post it again, if he is planning to fight ever again he shouldn't be mentioning ALL HIS INJURIES or otherwise he should go straight to retirement.

a fully motivated DLH Beats Winky easy in my opnion. Winky has been called underrated for so long he has become shamelessy overrated. Winky up until Mosley had lost ever time he had ever stepped up.

DLH couldn't handdle the size and strenght of Hopkins, but Winky is not a big strong pressure fighter he is a slick boxer and DLH can outbox himI was skimming through this thread looking for some other post that I wanted to respond to and I ran into this idiot's post. LMAO... This dude is so cross - eyed from staring at DLH's taquito. I know this is an old post, but did he type what I think he just typed(ROFL).

First off, he says, "Winky ain't a strong pressure fighter, and more of a slick boxer".

Umm... Exactly how old is this fool, and have you seen DLH vs. WHITAKER? Now everybody knows, that Winky isn't in the same mold that PERNELL was, however Winky today and years back would kick the crap out of DLH! And it ain't even up for debate PERIOD.

Man, against DLH, Winky will box, pressure, lean, and SMACK the sh*t out of DLH. For however long DLH is willing to take a beating. I'll say this, it might be difficult... Knowing DLH, he's got them golden track shoes he borrowed from Michael Johnson(lol).

Here's some proof...

- DLH has shown that he doesn't have the aptitude to fight
southpaws(please don't bring CAMACHO sr. as your weapon,
you're only lowering yourself further)

- DLH has shown he can't handle a solid jabber w/ reach.
See- STURM)

A guy w/ a world-class jab, great defense,
and a S-O-U-T-H-P-A-W stance to boot. FAWGET 'BOUT IT!