Trying to build some muscle. Besided good food, what supliment is the best sourse of protein? Pills or shakes.
Anything you think I should know would be appreciated.

whey is great, however you should allways try to get most off your proteins from food.

reflex whey is great in banana. some proteins are palatable but this is the only one that actually tastes good; like banana nesquick

100% Whey from Bodybuilding.com
I gained roughly 15 pounds since I started using it like a month and a half ago.

100% Whey from Bodybuilding.com
I gained roughly 15 pounds since I started using it like a month and a half ago.

15 pounds in 1.5 months?!
so is it steroids or fat?

15 pounds in 1.5 months?!
so is it steroids or fat?

Bulk muscle(muscle, fat, water). I also take Animal Pak vitamins and NOexplode.

I wish I could gain 15 pounds of lean muscle in 1.5 months.

Bulk muscle(muscle, fat, water). I also take Animal Pak vitamins and NOexplode.

lots of water weight right there
you should lose it pretty quickly after you get off though

lots of water weight right there
you should lose it pretty quickly after you get off though

I am actually pretty dry, since I do massive cardio and I did not get any bloats or other side effects of creatine.

only way to get 15 pounds of muscle (even if a few pounds of it is fat) in 6-7 weeks, would be by creatine or nitric oxide and gaining a lot of water to your muscle; since your muscle is mostly made up of water so basically it just swells up

Trying to build some muscle. Besided good food, what supliment is the best sourse of protein? Pills or shakes.
Anything you think I should know would be appreciated.
well actually too much protein can be bad for you. I've read about alot of people on this forum who drink like 3 pro shakes daily and eat high protein foods too, but if you eat high protein foods (nuts, tuna, eggs...etc.) protein supplementation is not needed. hope this helps.
http://www.umass.edu/diningservices/nutrition/protein.html

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I bought a random protein bar this morning and I cant get off the ****in toilet :no:

ultimate nutrition is the way to go.

hahaha that sucks man

Well most of us have a strict diet. And low-far diets can mean low protein. Personally, I have one, maybe 2 protein shakes a day (25g each shake). And that website someone posted is flat out wrong, which is ridiculous because it came from a university. In all fairness, an american university, haha. Protein needs DO increase with activity. We tear alot of muscle doing what we do (not as much as bodybuilders or whatever, since we don't go for STRENGTH so much). I need about 110g of protein a day, and I only weigh 155 pounds.

Too much protein at once can cause some indigestion problems, as protein digestion is tough on the body (well tougher than most other things). Way too much, over a long period of time can cause some adverse affects. But really, having to much protein is not a common problem. You'll usually metabolize most of the extra quick enough (you metabolize some anyways).

Personally I use chocolate power whey. Works for me. Other than that, I just eat right. No substiute for that. Hope that helps,

Trick

hahaha that sucks man

Well most of us have a strict diet. And low-far diets can mean low protein. Personally, I have one, maybe 2 protein shakes a day (25g each shake). And that website someone posted is flat out wrong, which is ridiculous because it came from a university. In all fairness, an american university, haha. Protein needs DO increase with activity. We tear alot of muscle doing what we do (not as much as bodybuilders or whatever, since we don't go for STRENGTH so much). I need about 110g of protein a day, and I only weigh 155 pounds.

Too much protein at once can cause some indigestion problems, as protein digestion is tough on the body (well tougher than most other things). Way too much, over a long period of time can cause some adverse affects. But really, having to much protein is not a common problem. You'll usually metabolize most of the extra quick enough (you metabolize some anyways).

Personally I use chocolate power whey. Works for me. Other than that, I just eat right. No substiute for that. Hope that helps,

Trick

Same for me, I mean I eat cottage cheease and only lean meats but that is not enough, and I go for one or two protein shakes. I use 100 whey protein in chocolate.

The only reason why sometimes too much protein is bad, is if you get more protein than carbs. I forgot the exact and medical reference (brain freeze) but I know if you eat too much protein then your blood and metabolic rate starts to slow down, but if you eat the same amount or more carbs, then you should be fine because the carbs are going to be moving those proteins. Before and after training try to get more carbs than protein, and before bedtime and meals before your about to do nothing (watch a movie, drive, gamble, etc.) than try to get at least the same amount of carbs as you do protein. Protein bars and shakes are the easiest way to get the right mixture or carbs, protein, and fat into a meal. But only get name brand and reliable protein bars; none of those Atkins, Slim Fast, or weird bars that you've never seen before.

A good hint on buying cheap protein bars and protein shake RTDs; at GNC and Vitamin Shoppe they usually have huge discounts, I'm talking 50%-75%, off bars and RTD's that are about to expire 2-4 months from the time you are there. I usually end up finding a dozen or two RTD's for about 90cents each (retail $2.50-$3.50)and a box or two, sometimes three, of protein bars that are about 8-10 dollars each (retail 25-35 dollars). And trust me, there is nothing wrong with them; they still taste like they just arrived and you feel good because its cheaper than that fast food junk but so much healthier.

ya, I've been thinking of a protein/meal bar for use once a week when my schedule doesn't let me eat until a couple hours after I train in the morning. Any suggestions?

The only reason why sometimes too much protein is bad, is if you get more protein than carbs. I forgot the exact and medical reference (brain freeze) but I know if you eat too much protein then your blood and metabolic rate starts to slow down, but if you eat the same amount or more carbs, then you should be fine because the carbs are going to be moving those proteins. Before and after training try to get more carbs than protein, and before bedtime and meals before your about to do nothing (watch a movie, drive, gamble, etc.) than try to get at least the same amount of carbs as you do protein. Protein bars and shakes are the easiest way to get the right mixture or carbs, protein, and fat into a meal. But only get name brand and reliable protein bars; none of those Atkins, Slim Fast, or weird bars that you've never seen before.

A good hint on buying cheap protein bars and protein shake RTDs; at GNC and Vitamin Shoppe they usually have huge discounts, I'm talking 50%-75%, off bars and RTD's that are about to expire 2-4 months from the time you are there. I usually end up finding a dozen or two RTD's for about 90cents each (retail $2.50-$3.50)and a box or two, sometimes three, of protein bars that are about 8-10 dollars each (retail 25-35 dollars). And trust me, there is nothing wrong with them; they still taste like they just arrived and you feel good because its cheaper than that fast food junk but so much healthier.
Problem with that is protein shakes are best used within 60 min of a workout.
Hard to force down extra carbs as well. BTW what do u think the best way to get carbs is?

Problem with that is protein shakes are best used within 60 min of a workout.
Hard to force down extra carbs as well. BTW what do u think the best way to get carbs is?

Brown rice and wholegrain bread.

lately, I've been eating these whole grain flax seed bagels. Honestly, I just eat 'em dry, I find them kinda hard to get down, that or I don't REALLY like the taste. But taste shouldn't really matter if you're serious about training.

Anyways, I really recommend these things. Lots of complex carbs, a small amount of sugar (which you do need), 6g of fibre, 2 of which is soluble, 12 g of PROTEIN, and even some unsaturated fats, including those omega 3's and 6's that everyone seems to love these days.

As a source of carbs, I can't really recommend much better. I find they make a good pre-workout (like 1-2 hours) snack, as they've even got some protein, which is good to have in small amounts before you work out too.

Also, which never fails is good old fashioned dry pasta. It may not be fancy, but honestly, I could eat dry pasta with a chicken breast every day of my life.

Problem with that is protein shakes are best used within 60 min of a workout.
Hard to force down extra carbs as well. BTW what do u think the best way to get carbs is?

I eat a meal an hour before I work out and then I chug down a mass gainer protein shake RIGHT after I work out.

lately, I've been eating these whole grain flax seed bagels. Honestly, I just eat 'em dry, I find them kinda hard to get down, that or I don't REALLY like the taste. But taste shouldn't really matter if you're serious about training.

Anyways, I really recommend these things. Lots of complex carbs, a small amount of sugar (which you do need), 6g of fibre, 2 of which is soluble, 12 g of PROTEIN, and even some unsaturated fats, including those omega 3's and 6's that everyone seems to love these days.

As a source of carbs, I can't really recommend much better. I find they make a good pre-workout (like 1-2 hours) snack, as they've even got some protein, which is good to have in small amounts before you work out too.

Also, which never fails is good old fashioned dry pasta. It may not be fancy, but honestly, I could eat dry pasta with a chicken breast every day of my life.

Where do you get them?

lately, I've been eating these whole grain flax seed bagels. Honestly, I just eat 'em dry, I find them kinda hard to get down, that or I don't REALLY like the taste. But taste shouldn't really matter if you're serious about training.

Anyways, I really recommend these things. Lots of complex carbs, a small amount of sugar (which you do need), 6g of fibre, 2 of which is soluble, 12 g of PROTEIN, and even some unsaturated fats, including those omega 3's and 6's that everyone seems to love these days.

As a source of carbs, I can't really recommend much better. I find they make a good pre-workout (like 1-2 hours) snack, as they've even got some protein, which is good to have in small amounts before you work out too.

Also, which never fails is good old fashioned dry pasta. It may not be fancy, but honestly, I could eat dry pasta with a chicken breast every day of my life.

Sometimes I get Honey Wheat bread products. It still has wheat in it, but the honey gives it some flavor and not much sugar either. I also like Whole Grain Eggo's with blueberries; might sound childish but it tastes good and it's healthy. And you don't have to eat your pasta and bagels dry, you can easily give it some taste with barely any calories or any fattening calories. For bagels you could spread fat-free Philadelphia cream cheese which is almost all protein. As for pasta, you could add in a few different slices of fat free cheese (almost pure protein) while it's still hot so it melts so it's nice and cheesy. I hope that helps make your meals a little easier to swallow and if you need any more examples just let me know.

Sometimes I get Honey Wheat bread products. It still has wheat in it, but the honey gives it some flavor and not much sugar either. I also like Whole Grain Eggo's with blueberries; might sound childish but it tastes good and it's healthy. And you don't have to eat your pasta and bagels dry, you can easily give it some taste with barely any calories or any fattening calories. For bagels you could spread fat-free Philadelphia cream cheese which is almost all protein. As for pasta, you could add in a few different slices of fat free cheese (almost pure protein) while it's still hot so it melts so it's nice and cheesy. I hope that helps make your meals a little easier to swallow and if you need any more examples just let me know.

Thanks, cause I am actually a huge fan of pasta.

Thanks, cause I am actually a huge fan of pasta.

Same here. And pizza as well... I make my own. And I make my own pasta. Oh yeah, to add to the pasta; if you add cheese you can add some lean ham or turkey or shrimp, just depends on the cheeses you choose I guess. But after I mix the cheese in, then I get the meat (which I already cut up in small pieces) and add it into the mix.

Too much protein is big stress on your kidneys, you'll just piss out all the excess.

A lot of guys who build take 100g or more of protein a day only to piss most of it out. It should be 30% of your diet, so make sure you have enough carbs etc to maintan that ratio.

100g is a massive amount. Calculate how many steaks and chicken breasts you have to eat a day to have that much.

Thats way over a dozen eggs.

Sure you gain when you jack up on food and suppliments, but how much of it is lean muscle?

Most guys bulk up, then cut and cut and cut...When you could have just taken it easy and gained lean muscle over a longer period of time...But people like to see results right away..so no wonder...

Dario, those are some good suggestions, you're quite the chef eh? haha. Pesonally, I hate cream cheese. I'll try that low fat/no fat cheese on the pasta though, that'd go good with the pasta and chicken. I live in Toronto, and these bagels are found basically anywhere. They're the "Country Harvest" Brand, but I'm sure other companies make similar products.

And no, you don't piss out extra protein. At least you shouldn't. Proteins don't fit throught the glomerulus in the kidneys. If they are, you have a serious probelm you might wanna get checked out. Yes though, they do still stress the kidneys, elevate blood Ph, cause many problems when present in too high amounts. Kinda like... everything else. As long as you keep intake reasonable, you burn off the excess. I'd rather have more, and burn it off than less. Also though, too much protein metabolizing can also give problems, as many times, it can release to many nitrogen compounds into the blood. Again, as long as you don't have too much, it's fine. A normal sized man, who works out hard twice a day easily needs more than 100g, perhaps not NEEDS, but should have.

Peace,
Trick

O ya, he also had another point, balance is key. 100g of carbs a day is not good with 100g of protein. But if you're getting around 250-300g of carbs a day, 100g of protein should be fine... If you're using it.

Trick

Too much protein is big stress on your kidneys, you'll just piss out all the excess.

A lot of guys who build take 100g or more of protein a day only to piss most of it out. It should be 30% of your diet, so make sure you have enough carbs etc to maintan that ratio.

100g is a massive amount. Calculate how many steaks and chicken breasts you have to eat a day to have that much.

Thats way over a dozen eggs.

Sure you gain when you jack up on food and suppliments, but how much of it is lean muscle?

Most guys bulk up, then cut and cut and cut...When you could have just taken it easy and gained lean muscle over a longer period of time...But people like to see results right away..so no wonder...


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100g is a massive amount?? Pshh. You think people on here that work out, train, and stay in the gym for hours don't need more than 100g of protein? They'd stay small and just start tearing down muscle if they never got more than that. Yeah 100g may be a lot, only if you're on a low-carb diet. I'm pretty sure everyone in here is (or should) be consuming anywhere from 400-800 carbs a day. Anyone who trains and lifts weights every week needs at least 150g of protein, if not more, to fully recover and rebuild their torn muscle. The average body consumes around 25-35g of protein (considering if you ate at least 35-50g) per metabolism cycle, and your metabolism cycle starts over every two hours. If you eat properly and end up eating more carbs than protein at the end of the day, it would only be better to consume at least 30g of protein per meal about 5 times a day.

If you still think 100g of protein is too much (like other American:lol1: Universities), then I will gladly like to give you some articles arguing that people that lift weights and train need at least 1g of protein per body pound, if not more.

Dude, it's useless arguing.

In the summer, when all I did was play ball and work out, having 150g of protein a day made me grow like a turkey on growth hormones. I'm 6'1" 210lb now. Taking double the amount of protein would do **** all but hurt my kidneys.

If I wanted to maintan muscle mass and stay as active I'd be fine with a much lesser amount.


Honestly I dont give a **** what those articles say. I studied the subject, and the human body is by far the source of MOST misconceptions in the world. New studies come out every day, proving wrong the **** of the last 20 year.

I will pick a university study over some article 100% of the time.

And another reason to there being no point in arguing is because I see guys supplimenting like mad, with all the creative/protein this that bull**** and having **** all results...Placebo more then anything. It's a multi billion dollar industry, no **** they are going to pay so someone releases articles saying how creatine etc is going to magicaly make you grow.

The bottom line is that suppliments such as creatine make a difference only on high leves, when you need to make that last lift that will make a tiny differnce in your game. Not if your a guy 160lb and want to gain 20lb of muscle.

And then there are guys who just work out hard, eat properly and gain muscle. Without all that bull****.

Hmmm, I went from 135 in december of 2005 to 162 in February of 2007(I was 165, but I started cutting up already) With the right supplemetns, correct diet and good training routine. Supplements helped me a lot since I was always a hard gainer. Good vitamins, fish oil and good proteins are what helped me a lot.
Also about univercity studies, most of them are sponsored by one or another bodybuilding company and are also very biased, you gotta try a million things before you find one thing that works for you. If only eating food and certain sport routines helped you gain weight and size, then great for you.

Hmmm, I went from 135 in december of 2005 to 162 in February of 2007(I was 165, but I started cutting up already) With the right supplemetns, correct diet and good training routine. Supplements helped me a lot since I was always a hard gainer. Good vitamins, fish oil and good proteins are what helped me a lot.
Also about univercity studies, most of them are sponsored by one or another bodybuilding company and are also very biased, you gotta try a million things before you find one thing that works for you. If only eating food and certain sport routines helped you gain weight and size, then great for you.

a frat boi protein shake once a day can do wonders

I donno man, I work in university labs, and never have I seen any of my peers approached by some company to be bribed or whatever. There are REALLY strict rules about that. Basically a zero tolerance policy in any decent university. Companies (gatorade for example) have their own scientists. There are research companies. I can understand if you wouldn't trust them, especially the former, but universities aren't under any influence. And that "stat" was from a cafeteria, not a doctor. Anyone stressing their muscles a lot needs a lot of protein. Some more than others, but especially if you want those fibers to come back bigger, you need that extra protein. I'm not gonna start some retarded internet argument, but I'd recommend you double check your facts man. Any serious athlete cannot have a casual diet

Peace,
Trick

O, and university studies ARE articles man. Trust me, I've written enough to know. And when you read them, they can read just like "normal" articles. If you trust university articles so much (which you should), then I recommend looking a few up. PubMed is a great database which a lot of my peers use. I'd give it a look if you're looking for info.

Dude, it's useless arguing.

In the summer, when all I did was play ball and work out, having 150g of protein a day made me grow like a turkey on growth hormones. I'm 6'1" 210lb now. Taking double the amount of protein would do **** all but hurt my kidneys.

If I wanted to maintan muscle mass and stay as active I'd be fine with a much lesser amount.


Honestly I dont give a **** what those articles say. I studied the subject, and the human body is by far the source of MOST misconceptions in the world. New studies come out every day, proving wrong the **** of the last 20 year.

I will pick a university study over some article 100% of the time.

And another reason to there being no point in arguing is because I see guys supplimenting like mad, with all the creative/protein this that bull**** and having **** all results...Placebo more then anything. It's a multi billion dollar industry, no **** they are going to pay so someone releases articles saying how creatine etc is going to magicaly make you grow.

The bottom line is that suppliments such as creatine make a difference only on high leves, when you need to make that last lift that will make a tiny differnce in your game. Not if your a guy 160lb and want to gain 20lb of muscle.

And then there are guys who just work out hard, eat properly and gain muscle. Without all that bull****.

All I got to say is I wonder why the men who eat more protein come out bigger and stronger than the ones who don't. And I try to get at least 200g of protein a day (more on my cheat days) and I never had a problem with my kidney (I don't think I ever had).

To start off, you do know that your muscles are made up of protein and water? Every time you lift or exercise your muscles tear down. If you don't aim for at least 30g of protein per meal than you'll never get the strength and size gains you can potentially get. And protein helps more than just repairing muscle breakdowns, it increases protein synthesis (so you can absorb even more protein), positive nitrogen balance, and prevents and fights catabolism. Protein is the building block of any muscle gains. I don't how yall lift weights, but I know if I didn't get the protein I need included with my training routine, I would just lose muscle from catabolism. And to use those proteins at full potential, you're going to need eat lots of carbs. Unless you're barely eating any carbs, than you're kidneys should not hurt because of protein.

The more you lift weights and engage in rigorous physical activity, the more protein and carbs you'll need; plain and simple. The average bodybuilder consumes around 300-500g of protein per day. I'd expect a boxer to get at least half of that if they want to get the full strength gains from their training.

If you still don't believe me, get a work-out partner that is exactly as strong as you. Work out together with him for 1-3 months with the same routine and you consume less than your "massive amount of 100g of protein" and let your friend consume 150-200g of protein and see who gets stronger and bigger in the given time.