In your opinion, what is the main cause/root to psychotic tendencies? We all know that it destroys the individual, as well as having outward effects on others as well. Some people apply it inward and start deteriorating themselves, others turn in outward and destroy the things around them. This is no doubt a problem that most everyone faces at some level, throughout there lives.

Some people are more extreme than others, and we see that...hence suicides, homicides, serial killers, etc. However a lot of cases are hard to see unless you really get to know the individual and can see what makes him tick; the deep part that most people can’t see unless otherwise opened up to a closer person than that of the ‘outside’ world.

You know what I’m talking about know. Know the question is, why? Why do most of us suffer with this? What causes the extreme levels of inward and outward destruction, as opposed to less extreme levels?

this may not be what your looking for but people who become introverted or people that lash out is to some degree, a pruduct of their environment.bad child hood, death of a parent, constantly being picked on.those are some common causes.those may be reasons but not excuses.lots of people have those same problems and are fine with happy families of their own.to some degree, it is about the makeup of the person.call it a chemical imbalance, personality, whatever it is that makes us all different.
what makes this person gay?what makes this other one psycho?what makes this one absolutly normal?

boredom

I am not sure. Its like saying in studies of a psychopath, they have a larger front lobe of their brain, but with hardly any activity. Its like asking, are they crazy because of their malfunctioned frontal lobe, or did them being crazy cause their frontal lobe to be ****ed up. Its hard to say and even harder to answer. Me being a balanced person for the most part, and over coming more hardships than most, I don't think there are any excuses, that its just weak people not being able to deal.

Yea I've actually been thinkin about your statement of weak and not being able to deal.. along with that I was thinking about immaturity in general as well. A lot of those people however that would be labeled into the 'extreme' category are being as strong as they can be and yet still fall short of their grasp on lower levels, not because they dont want to, but because they honestly cant. It's like a hunger that if you don't feed, you will die. Sure it's sad, but it's just how they are. I guess the question of "why" can be debated forever because no one really knows, and everyone seems to be different in this case of cause and effect.

stress!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I liek this theory.

according to some phschologists there are three levels of Psyche. every person has what is referred to as the Id. the Id is first reaction emotion and basic human needs (when your hungry, need sleep, desire) and is our very primal thought. they are usually selfish desires and needs at first. Think of this as a core or seed of our psyche.

next is the Ego. The Ego works as a filter to our Id and uses logic, reason and conscience to take our desire and determine a solution to attain what we want.

The final stage is drawing your conclusion: so as an example.

(hot woman walks past you)
ID: I want to take her and **** her right now
Ego: that would be Rape and Rape is wrong, she has to be willing and you must behave. think of the consequences.
Conclusion: go up and talk to her, try to pick her up then you can have what you want.


Rapist Mentality: (beautiful girl walks by)
ID: take her and **** her now
Ego: .............
Conclusion: wait till she walks in that dark alley.

They call them sexual predators because they are very much like animals. Wolves for instance dont have Ego's. when they are hungry they go and brutally kill a rabbit with no remorse. Its Primal thinking. So some Criminal Psychologists believe that Criminals with Deviant behavior lack this Ego or Filter of reason or empathy and take what they want when they feel the urge. This is why child molesters and rapists say they cant stop and request on occasion the chemical castration treatment.

Whether this lack of Ego is inherant or developed is an argument in its own.

Well matt in the extreme cases the afflicted are without guilt. All of the serial killer's I've read about have felt no guilt when they are killing, they actually are very stimulated by the whole thing. Its like masterbation for them on a huge scale. The anticipation for them is more satisfying than the actual act. Most killers replay their murder over and over again, and already have it mapped out. And serial killers enjoy that one scenario so much, they try to recreate it with other victims which makes the patterns. Its ****ed up, I think everyone has a little bit of insanity in them at least, but its the ability to control it that seperates. But then again, I dont think raping a dead body is an attractive event either, so I am sure for the real sicko's their is more to it.

Kinda like the everyone has some homosexual thoughts, maybe a good relation. When I am not homophobic at all, but neither do I have any homo thoughts. There are some very small differences. How minor of a dna change is there between me, a killer, and a homo?

Well matt in the extreme cases the afflicted are without guilt. All of the serial killer's I've read about have felt no guilt when they are killing, they actually are very stimulated by the whole thing.

Very true. The urge to do it is too great. its liek sex to them and because it takes them years to become and understand these sick urges and desires they have they never change thier methods. When they kill they have to do it right. If they dont they dont "Get Off" and it will be ruined for them.

Like Waylander said they leave Patterns. If you've seen the movie in my Avatar (Red Dragon) you will see that he always has the same targets and always does it a particular way. It took him years to become the effecient organized killer that he is and he cannot change his methods because of uncontrolable primal urges.

I think genetically some of us are more apt to deal with certain situations then others, now add living conditions and life experience plus your own character and you will have an individual that is either negative or an optimist. Self pity is a big factor in people that become imbalance, some live a hard life and are able to stand up to their surroundings and better themselves while others use it as a crutch to live a lower way of life.

I think many of us are not aware that we are in charge of our actions. If a mistake is made we are to learn and step away a bigger person not sit there and drown in self pity.

We are all un-balanced in one time of another... we have all been hurt at one time to the point of not knowing what life is all about and deal with such a severe emotional pain that physical pain seems small... some of us deal with it and some of us try to escape it or punish someone that caused it.

There is no such thing as being normal, you do not know what you are capable of doing in a certain situation. We never know ourselves fully.

Shame is also a factor to violent behavior. People who have been sexually abused and humiliated have been proven to develop violent tendencies.

There is maybe not such thing as normal, but I would like to think that there are Normal parameters that we should all be able to bounce around in, and just stay in between. Making me considered a normal person. By normal I dont want everyone to be the same, just balanced, cohesive even. (Hojak loves the word cohesive)

Being sexually abused can really **** someone up, but I refuse to think that someone can not over come even the most horrible conditions. Its hard to prove that considering how horrible conditions can get however.

I am one of those guys thats completely dependent, been on my own my whole life, have only one income and its mine, every posession I own is from my own work, I don't take medication, and feel that whatever I survive, I will survive again easier for each time that I do. So my opinions are going to be biased, but I have afforded that right.

Let me give you an example...

I would never cause pain to another living being, but if someone were to hurt my children I know for a fact that I would not kill the mother ****er but cause him/her years of agony, torture, pain. Others would let the law handle it, others would just kill the ****er with a gun.

I believe I am one of those that fit in the "normal" category but I am aware of my evil side too.

waylander, i am with you about dealing with situations and being able to over come them.it is basically about self control.me, you, and 99% of all people bounce around in between the normal parameters.i have felt rage as i know you have but we controlled it.some people do not have that self control and i would say that it is nearly impossible to find out why some can control and some can not.
on the new you hear about the bad ****."this guy killed this other guy"they never say 75 million people went about their day and controlled their rage today.it seems like there are huge numbers of people without control and to a point, there are.when it is measured against how many people don't commit these uncontrolled acts, it is actually a small %age.

Agreed. I think that is part of being normal, to not going to extremes unless the circumstance calls for it. A good person would rise to the occasion whether it was good or bad.

I agree rigid, I fear that it is going to be worse with the upcoming generation because I see so many kids who are completely out of control, parents are letting their children walk all over them, and I at the time frame of me wanting to have kids, these *******s are going to be 25-30 and just ready to fulfill their sick tendencies, and I am not wanting to be the parent of a victim. Or anyone I love or myself be victimized. I am pro choice and pro death penalty, and feel strongly about both. Especially the death penalty, I think we should spend a lot less money on the trials of these killers. I would put my resume in quick if the US needed an executioner. I also think we should do it with a gun, you know it costs 300 dollars in electricity to electricute someone? I pay about 50 cents for a bullet.

cost over a million dollars in appeals to execute someone. the 300 dollars aint nothing compared to the millions of trials they get before death.

Kato: I hear what you mean about your children. when the desire is too great you cant contain. its primal urges driving you so that your Ego cant control it. Like starving people who eat dirty sewer rats cause the hunger is driving them mad, they cant control those impulses. If someone hurts your children you fall in a dark place and you go so primal that you can practically taste your child attacker's blood. I say go with it, you cant deny what you are and holding in all that pain makes it worse in the long run and He had it coming.

You are not a beautiful and unique snowflake.

I do believe that is some "Fight Club" is it not?

watch the HBO documentary thing called "the iceman and the psychiatrist" that was quite a scary guy, killed over 100 when he was a young man, then the mafia noticed him bcause of his lack of feeling over killing someone and hired him as one of the most long lived contract killers in history.

Joker said it best.....

http://www.carlcritchlow.com/Resources/joker.jpg
The only difference between me and the rest of the world is ONE... BAD.... DAY....!

- The Jake

I would put my resume in quick if the US needed an executioner.

The ironic part is that you are so against these killers and what they do yet you'd gladly become a killer yourself. You see, there is a fine line between killers and "normal" people.

Originally posted by The Jake
Joker said it best.....

http://www.carlcritchlow.com/Resources/joker.jpg
The only difference between me and the rest of the world is ONE... BAD.... DAY....!

- The Jake

I think that's the creepiest picture I've ever seen. :eek:

Originally posted by casp3r
watch the HBO documentary thing called "the iceman and the psychiatrist" that was quite a scary guy, killed over 100 when he was a young man, then the mafia noticed him bcause of his lack of feeling over killing someone and hired him as one of the most long lived contract killers in history.

just watched it tonight, fascinating

Here's what happens. It's a mix of genetics, and your life experiences. There are plenty of innocent people who are capable of killing. I think I am one, but I was raised with love and caring. On the other hand, people like the Iceman are raised with hate and abuse. So take 2 people with similar genetic makeups, 1 is loved and cared for as a child, the other is beaten and abused. #1 will probably go on to live a normal adult life, and hopefully pass this love on to their children and others. #2 will take the opposite path and unleash their hate on the world. I personally believe it is the evolution of our fears that makes us who we are.

waylander, i am pro choice and pro death penalty as well
wolf, excecuting a criminal found guilty of murder or rape is not the same as what the killers themselves do.i think that putting to death these savages would fall in the parameters of normal

excecuting a criminal found guilty of murder or rape is not the same as what the killers themselves do.i think that putting to death these savages would fall in the parameters of normal

Ah, a double standard. You can convince youself of that and I'm sure you truely believe that. But killing is killing. No matter what the reason. You call them "savages" but yet the reason why they kill could be because of a genetic mutation which they can not help. Some may kill because of social reason or both genetic and social. So some may kill and they can not help it, it's programed into them. But you'd kill them for revenge. If you take away all laws people would be going around killing and raping and you know that. We are all "savages" to a degree.

I believe that it is a combination of chemical unbalances in the brain, and their upbringing as a child and interaction with peers, parents, and siblings. And that damn Marilyn Manson, he is the reason I kill people... uh, hehe.. I mean, he is a good musician...

watch the HBO documentary thing called "the iceman and the psychiatrist" that was quite a scary guy, killed over 100 when he was a young man, then the mafia noticed him bcause of his lack of feeling over killing someone and hired him as one of the most long lived contract killers in history.

I have yet to see this but I want to. Didnt he even have a family?