View Full Version : Is foreman afraid of holmes!
brownpimp88 01-03-2007, 01:04 PM I am beginning to think that foreman was indeed dodging larry holmes. From 1978-1985, he was the dominant champ in the heavyweight division and big george never bothered to come out of retirement back then and expose larry. By the time george finds out larry has retired, he decides to finally make his comeback, kinda odd isnt it. Larry Holmes keeps saying that george intentionally tries to avoid holmes and never brings him up when talking about the all time greats. He also claims that from 87-94, george was handpicking all of his opponents and never even bothered to fight larry. They were supposed to fight in 99 and 2004 and supposedly george was the one that pulled out.
I would pick larry to beat him if it goes past the 4th round. He was the more skilled boxer and could have stopped him later in the 9th or 10th round just like he did against shavers. George is slower than tyson, so larry doesnt have to worry about the bobbing and weaving tactic to get inside his reach.
Southpaw Stinger 01-03-2007, 01:14 PM Holmes is a bitter man ain't he. He still wants to fight Foreman apparently but it would be a bit of a sad sight to see two overweight guys in their late 50's going at it. Foremans making millions off his grills and has achieved all he wants to achieve.
Foreman was retired when Holmes was dominant and during that time George never planned to box again. He came out of retirement because he needed to raise cash and he was also looking to regain the title. during the late 80's and early 90's fighting Holmes would not have made sense as Foreman only had a few more fights left in him, he wanted to preserve these fights for championship efforts only.
George is slower than tyson, so larry doesnt have to worry about the bobbing and weaving tactic to get inside his reach.
why would george bob and weave? lol George would just barge in and pound holmes.
Holmes reach is 81" and Georges is 82" Holmes is 6'3" and George is 6' 3½ so I don't see what reach has to do with it.
Yaman 01-03-2007, 01:20 PM Lets not forget about Shavers and Quarry..he disgustingly ducked them aswell. Tyson ducked old george aswell. Article proves it!! See, its 100% true about these guys ducking eachother, because there are Articles about it. Articles are proof. Forget about interviews etc.
Foreman ducked more than one fighter according to BS's posters..
brownpimp88 01-03-2007, 01:21 PM Holmes is a bitter man ain't he. He still wants to fight Foreman apparently but it would be a bit of a sad sight to see two overweight guys in their late 50's going at it. Foremans making millions off his grills and has achieved all he wants to achieve.
Foreman was retired when Holmes was dominant and during that time George never planned to box again. He came out of retirement because he needed to raise cash and he was also looking to regain the title. during the late 80's and early 90's fighting Holmes would not have made sense as Foreman only had a few more fights left in him, he wanted to preserve these fights for championship efforts only.
why would george bob and weave? lol George would just barge in and pound holmes.
Holmes reach is 81" and Georges is 82" Holmes is 6'3" and George is 6' 3½ so I don't see what reach has to do with it.
I think larry would have outboxed him and foreman knew it. Foreman handpicked guys like cooney and bert cooper, he knew larry would have beaten him.
Southpaw Stinger 01-03-2007, 01:23 PM Lets not forget about Shavers and Quarry..he disgustingly ducked them aswell. Tyson ducked old george aswell. Article proves it!! See, its 100% true about these guys ducking eachother, because there are Articles about it. Articles are proof. Forget about interviews etc.
Foreman ducked more than one fighter according to BS's posters..
everyone ducked someone at some point. thats no surprise.
Southpaw Stinger 01-03-2007, 01:26 PM I think larry would have outboxed him and foreman knew it. Foreman handpicked guys like cooney and bert cooper, he knew larry would have beaten him.
again it's all hear say. I personaly think Foreman would have overwhelmed Holmes much in the same way Tyson did but only in a slower manner. Foremans straight right on his comeback was a marvel and Holmes never did get over that right hand vulnerabilty.
as I've said, Foreman was looking to quickly get a title shot so a fight with Holmes made no sense at that time.
hemichromis 01-03-2007, 01:50 PM 42 yearold foreman Vs 42 yearold holmes
(time when both fought holyfield)
i think holmes may have the slight advantage here because he hadn't spent 10 years out of boxing and his style would trouble foreman and i think he could keep him at range
Dempsey 1919 01-03-2007, 01:56 PM Lets not forget about Shavers and Quarry..he disgustingly ducked them aswell. Tyson ducked old george aswell. Article proves it!! See, its 100% true about these guys ducking eachother, because there are Articles about it. Articles are proof. Forget about interviews etc.
Foreman ducked more than one fighter according to BS's posters..
Again, why would he duck Shavers, when he fought murderous punchers like Joe Frazier, and Ron Lyle. (Well, maybe Frazier shouldn't count since he had to fight him in order to get the title) But if he was afraid of Shavers, then shouldn't he be afraid of Lyle as well, who was a more dangerous fighter? And since he fought and destroyed Ken Norton, what reason would he have for ducking Quarry? Quarry was a stupid fighter, who almost always fought the wrong gameplan. Undoubtedly, he would try to brawl with Foreman and get layed out within three rounds.
Dempsey 1919 01-03-2007, 01:58 PM everyone ducked someone at some point. thats no surprise.
Yeah. Evan Ali admitted to ducking George Chuvalo in 1963 after watching him fight Mike DeJohn. But he did eventually fight and beat him three years later, didn't he?
Yaman 01-03-2007, 02:19 PM Again, why would he duck Shavers, when he fought murderous punchers like Joe Frazier, and Ron Lyle. (Well, maybe Frazier shouldn't count since he had to fight him in order to get the title) But if he was afraid of Shavers, then shouldn't he be afraid of Lyle as well, who was a more dangerous fighter? And since he fought and destroyed Ken Norton, what reason would he have for ducking Quarry? Quarry was a stupid fighter, who almost always fought the wrong gameplan. Undoubtedly, he would try to brawl with Foreman and get layed out within three rounds.
I can make the same explenations for fighters like Tyson and others, who are accused of the same things with no proof to back it up. Just some retarded little monkey trying to get a quick bucks writing an article that came out of the back of his ass. You know what i mean. I just hate the way people are biased for Foreman.
SABBATH 01-04-2007, 11:25 PM Foreman's return to boxing coincided with Tyson winning the heavyweight championship. Foreman thought he could beat Tyson and reclaim the heavyweight crown and he also wanted to raise money for his community centre in the process. His 1987 return to the ring had nothing to do with Holmes retiring.
brownpimp88 01-04-2007, 11:38 PM Foreman's return to boxing coincided with Tyson winning the heavyweight championship. Foreman thought he could beat Tyson and reclaim the heavyweight crown and he also wanted to raise money for his community centre in the process. His 1987 return to the ring had nothing to do with Holmes retiring.
Yeah but he didn't bother fighting the easton assasin from 78-85 cuz he thought he would have lost.
Tysonisgod 01-05-2007, 12:15 AM who gives a ****? i think it would have been a boring fight anyway, foreman would try to knock him out, both would get tired and prob jst look at each other most of the fight, it would look like a roy jones stand off but even slower lol plus foreman would win lol
Emon723 01-05-2007, 02:44 AM I agree, to add more to your posts, further proof is when foreman at 45 became the oldest HW champ by knocking out Moorer in 94', the next year, big george defend the IBF title against an unranked opponent axel schultz and Holmes, two weeks earlier barely lost a close decision to McCall for the WBC belt, had holmes won, I still dont think foreman would ever stepped in the ring with Holmes.
Southpaw16 01-05-2007, 02:52 AM I really don't think that Foreman was ducking Holmes. At the time that Foreman came out of retirement, Mike Tyson was the new champ and at that time, he looked way way more intimidating that Holmes. Mike Tyson would have been a great style matchup for Foreman, and I think that old George would have had a great chance at beating him, but still, it is ludicrous to think at that time that Foreman would be afraid of Holmes and not afraid of Tyson.
I think that Foreman versus Holmes would have looked quite similar to Foreman versus Moorer. Holmes would win most of the rounds, but the whole fight big George would be measuring him and looking for the knockout shot, and eventually would find it.
Also, as has been mentioned, the main reason why Foreman had decided to come back was because he was running out of money from running a community center out of his own pocket.
AKATheMack 01-05-2007, 08:35 AM Lennox and Vitali both ducked me they retired right after I hurt myself before I had a chance to go pro.:lame:
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