Hey everyone. Im new to this forum. Im 19, been training to box for a bout 6 months now, sparred once. I scanned through every 170 pages of threads you have here. Not a whole lot was relavant to a skinny guy like me.

I am 6'0, 132 lbs. Not my choice, I am just a freak of nature and I honestly dont see myself gaining a decent amount of weight, I really would like to just focus on making my body the best it can at around 130-135ish.

As of now my training consist of:

30 push ups, 3 sets.
Flat bench press, about 90 lbs. 10 reps, 3 sets (not my max lol)
dumbell curls, 35 lbs 3 sets of 10 reps.
Heavy bag.

Then a protien shake, but im starting to give up on gaining much wieght.


Overall I want to have the biggest bang for my buck wieghting what I do. I would like to gain some muscle and look good while doing it.

TO MY QUESTIONS!!!

Does my current training sound legit?
For a person my size, will push-ups benefit me much?
Does a person of my figure have a good advantage in the ring?
What other training could I do to gain strength and get ripped?
Any other special circumstances I should know wieghting so little in this sport?

PS. I do not have a gym, just a bench and some free weights.

THANKS ALOT EVERYONE!


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quite a lot of these tall skinny guys about lately.

chances are you'll fill out in your early 20's bud, eat healthy and train hard and let your body worry about the weight. if your body still refuses to gain weight go and see your GP, you might be lacking a certain hormone.

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You look very fit. IMO. You've got muscle; you're not emaciated, and you don't look weak. Frankly, you look pretty strong. Train hard, eat well, and let your body do what it's going to do.

Some of us thick-through-the-chest guys (I have a 44" chest at 5'9") in this sport would KILL to have a body like yours. Work on your distance game and consider it a gift. You're young; safe money says the mass will come eventually whether you want it to or not. When I was 18, I was 5'7" and 120 lbs. I'm now 36 years old, 2 inches taller, and 60 lbs. heavier -- I have to fight like hell to stay below Light Heavyweight.

EDIT: Looking at your pic some more -- triceps, pecs, obliques, and your neck are all pronounced and have good definition, considering your overall size. You have wicked-low bodyfat but I don't think you're dangerously thin. . . unless a guy my size hits you. :boxing:
Seriously, though -- I'd work in some Omega-3 fatty acids: eat more fish and eat a handful of almonds or walnuts every day if you can. If by some divine blessing your bodyfat stays that low you could -- COULD -- develop joint problems when you're older.

Square those shoulders up. No shame in being tall.

its not all about protein shakes.. you need to eat 3 times what you currently eat..

For a person my size, will push-ups benefit me much?
At your size, I'd worry more about endurance than power. Push-ups will benefit you in both but you little guys need a ton of endurance 'cua you throw far more punches than us big boys.

Does a person of my figure have a good advantage in the ring?
HELL, YES. Reach, baby.

What other training could I do to gain strength and get ripped?
Squats. Work on perfecting your form -- don't worry about the weight -- and eat lots of protein. If I were you, I'd throw out all the other weight training and just hit the squat cage twice a week for about six months, get 8-10 hours of sleep per day, and eat like a horse. This is in addition to boxing.

Any other special circumstances I should know wieghting so little in this sport?
Yeah. You're a lucky bastard. Welcome aboard. Can we call you "Stretch?"

Fraidy I'm with you. I'm sick of being a 44" chested 5'9" midget who weighs 190 (not in fighting shape but not a total lardass) and could drop to 168 at best. I would kill to be like 160 and 6'1" or 6'2".

And I'm only 23, when I get into my 30's it's gonna be a struggle to avoid becoming a cruiserweight/heavyweight.

The thin and lanky have the advantage in boxing. They have it easy, not the stocky strong looking guys.

Fraidy I'm with you. I'm sick of being a 44" chested 5'9" midget who weighs 190 (not in fighting shape but not a total lardass) and could drop to 168 at best. I would kill to be like 160 and 6'1" or 6'2".


You sound like you have exactly my physique. Below 165 is a serious battle for me -- my last fight, once I made Middleweight I ate soup, salad with vinegar, and toast for 2 meals a day for over a week just to stay there. (EDIT: Not that it mattered; I puked so much the day of the fight I nearly made Welterweight.) It sure was great to see the look on his face when I stepped in the ring, though. My taper was so pronounced I blocked out the sun.

"That guy's a Middleweight?"
"Yup. Don't get hit."
:owned:

I want to get to 165 walking around this year. HAH! I crack myself up. :grumble:

/hijack

Thanks alot fellas.

I have heard that my reach is an advantage, but I have only spared with 1 person, my exact build. So it has been hard for me to judge how my figure is going to treat me against others. I cant wait to get in the ring more often.

Being that weight and feeling healthy alot of people would kill for in boxing.
Drop the curls cause they'l do nothing for you in boxing, you wanna be eating 6-8 times a day.
If your going to lift weights stick with compound movements like Bench, Squat, Deadlift, Military Press and Barbell/Dumbell Rows.

I was 5'11 and 128lbs for along, long time. I am up to 135 now so I am in the same range as you.. haha. Anyway, most of the weight training you can do at our weight will only make you gain weight that you don't need. We already have the leverage and speed to hit fast and hard. :) The more your muscles are used through punching the more force you will be able to exert through them because they will remember the specific movement. I bet when you hit kids your own weight they say you hit pretty hard, huh? I usually get it.. and how's your ingame anyway? Other then a weak uppercut and a savage left hook I'm pretty much useless. When someone gets inside on me I usually pull a Foreman and push them way, way away from me with my right forearm. Speaking of forearms, do you have long forearms? I think most of us tall skinny kids have rediculously long forearms which greatly favors the amateur tight-like guard of ours. I know that was alot of questions.. haha but it's cool to find someone that has the same build as my own.

I was 5'11 and 128lbs for along, long time. I am up to 135 now so I am in the same range as you.. haha. Anyway, most of the weight training you can do at our weight will only make you gain weight that you don't need. We already have the leverage and speed to hit fast and hard. :) The more your muscles are used through punching the more force you will be able to exert through them because they will remember the specific movement. I bet when you hit kids your own weight they say you hit pretty hard, huh? I usually get it.. and how's your ingame anyway? Other then a weak uppercut and a savage left hook I'm pretty much useless. When someone gets inside on me I usually pull a Foreman and push them way, way away from me with my right forearm. Speaking of forearms, do you have long forearms? I think most of us tall skinny kids have rediculously long forearms which greatly favors the amateur tight-like guard of ours. I know that was alot of questions.. haha but it's cool to find someone that has the same build as my own.


Everyone keeps telling me that weights will make me gain weight, but its never worked like that for me, maybe thats only for heavy weights, and maxs'?

About my ingame, ive only spared once, and never used my ingame. Having the reach I did, my game consisted of 1-2's.

And Yeah, id say I have longer fore arms.




Anyone here do this exercize, might be called "punch outs"? Pretty much it's taking a 5-10 lbs dumbell and throwing a punch. It def makes me burn.

Hey everyone. Im new to this forum. Im 19, been training to box for a bout 6 months now, sparred once. I scanned through every 170 pages of threads you have here. Not a whole lot was relavant to a skinny guy like me.

I am 6'0, 132 lbs. Not my choice, I am just a freak of nature and I honestly dont see myself gaining a decent amount of weight, I really would like to just focus on making my body the best it can at around 130-135ish.

As of now my training consist of:

30 push ups, 3 sets.
Flat bench press, about 90 lbs. 10 reps, 3 sets (not my max lol)
dumbell curls, 35 lbs 3 sets of 10 reps.
Heavy bag.

Then a protien shake, but im starting to give up on gaining much wieght.


Overall I want to have the biggest bang for my buck wieghting what I do. I would like to gain some muscle and look good while doing it.

TO MY QUESTIONS!!!

Does my current training sound legit?
For a person my size, will push-ups benefit me much?
Does a person of my figure have a good advantage in the ring?
What other training could I do to gain strength and get ripped?
Any other special circumstances I should know wieghting so little in this sport?

PS. I do not have a gym, just a bench and some free weights.

THANKS ALOT EVERYONE!


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In boxing ur size and weight will be more advantage than not. Longer height and reach than ur oppenents. But if ur phisique is really bothering u, eat plenty Protien, a gram per pound of ur weight so thats 132grams of protien a day! For serious gains. Eat egg whites, Fish, white meats, hit the weights room and watch the growth! A lot of peeps think weight trainning could harm ur boxing tho, if i was u id just stick with what ur doing coz while ur skinny u dont look particuarly weak or anything and as i said before the lighter u are the smaller ur oppenents will likely be giving u better reach and height advantages

Everyone keeps telling me that weights will make me gain weight, but its never worked like that for me, maybe thats only for heavy weights, and maxs'?


You need to take in a ton of protein and calories to bulk up. Recent science has shown that 150g of protein consumed within 24 hours after a workout results in an average of 20g -- a pound is 453 grams, so we're talking .04 lbs! -- of muscle gain.

Take that equation and run with it for a moment. A pound is 450 grams. That means that taking in 150g of protein -- that's five chicken breasts -- per day, keeping your muscles under constant repair (i.e., working out every day), it would take you about 3 weeks of working out daily and eating 150g of protein per day -- in addition to your maintenance calories (3,000 per day if you're working out that hard; maybe more!) -- to build ONE POUND of solid muscle. Look at a 1-lb. steak; that's what you're building. If you eat a lot of fat and carbs, you can LOOK bigger, but gaining lean muscle is a slow and labor-intensive process.

Most boxers don't eat enough, or train correctly, to make the kind of gains that they're so afraid of. That is a simple, undeniable fact. There's a myth among many boxers that if you do one set of squats and drink a protein shake you'll wake up the next morning looking like a WWF star. Those kinds of gains take YEARS. Go to www.bodybuilding.com and look through the "post your progress" thread, and see what six months or a year of dedicated bodybuilding does.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/forumdisplay.php?f=29

From that forum, here's a pic of a kid with an ectomorphic build like yours, after NINE MONTHS of bodybuilding -- and these are gains he's proud enough to brag about -- he gained 10 lbs. of muscle:

http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/3684/feb15sept27ri6.jpg
His thread:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=1008743

One other thing I want to throw in, and that is that boxing training is highly catabolic, i.e., it throws your body into a state where it has to feed on itself -- once your glycogen stores are depleted (after about 20 minutes of cardio) your body kicks over into protein catabolism if you're outside of "the fat burning zone," which is about the exertion level of a brisk walk. We don't work out at a brisk walk; we do the equivalent of 1 or 2 hours of windsprints every day. Plus, healing from bruises and blunt trauma increases catabolism. Catabolism equals death to a bodybuilder, which is why they avoid intense aerobic and high-intensity anaerobic exercise like a boxing workout; boxers, however, live in a catabolic state.

There will always be a few genetic freaks who gain muscle faster than the rest of us; what I've posted is a generalization based on recent findings. And it holds up with my personal experiences in bodybuilding, which I pursued for about four years back in my 20's.

Eat. Lift. Don't worry about getting huge. It won't happen fast enough for it to be a problem. Certainly not for you, at your age and build. I promise.

You need to take in a ton of protein and calories to bulk up. Recent science has shown that 150g of protein consumed within 24 hours after a workout results in an average of 20g -- a pound is 453 grams, so we're talking .04 lbs! -- of muscle gain.

Take that equation and run with it for a moment. A pound is 450 grams. That means that taking in 150g of protein -- that's five chicken breasts -- per day, keeping your muscles under constant repair (i.e., working out every day), it would take you about 3 weeks of working out daily and eating 150g of protein per day -- in addition to your maintenance calories (3,000 per day if you're working out that hard; maybe more!) -- to build ONE POUND of solid muscle. Look at a 1-lb. steak; that's a considerable amount. If you eat a lot of fat and carbs, you can LOOK bigger, but gaining lean muscle is a slow and labor-intensive process.

Most boxers don't eat enough, or train correctly, to make the kind of gains that they're so afraid of. That is a simple, undeniable fact. There's a myth among many boxers that if you do one set of squats and drink a protein shake you'll wake up the next morning looking like a WWF star. Those kinds of gains take YEARS. Go to www.bodybuilding.com and look through the "post your progress" thread, and see what six months or a year of dedicated bodybuilding does.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/forumdisplay.php?f=29

From that forum, here's a pic of a kid with an ectomorphic build like yours, after NINE MONTHS of bodybuilding -- and these are gains he's proud enough to brag about -- he gained 10 lbs. of muscle:

http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/3684/feb15sept27ri6.jpg
His thread:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=1008743

One other thing I want to throw in, and that is that boxing training is highly catabolic, i.e., it throws your body into a state where it has to feed on itself -- once your glycogen stores are depleted (after about 20 minutes of cardio) your body kicks over into protein catabolism if you're outside of "the fat burning zone," which is about the exertion level of a brisk walk. We don't work out at a brisk walk; we do the equivalent of 1 or 2 hours of windsprints every day. Plus, healing from bruises and blunt trauma increases catabolism. Catabolism equals death to a bodybuilder, which is why they avoid intense aerobic and high-intensity anaerobic exercise like a boxing workout; boxers, however, live in a catabolic state.

There will always be a few genetic freaks who gain muscle faster than the rest of us; what I've posted is a generalization based on recent findings. And it holds up with my personal experiences in bodybuilding, which I pursued for about four years back in my 20's.

Eat. Lift. Don't worry about getting huge. It won't happen fast enough for it to be a problem. Certainly not for you, at your age and build. I promise.

Good post. But why the Hell do they always appear orange in photo 2!?

Good post. But why the Hell do they always appear orange in photo 2!?

:owned:

I dunno. Orange is in, I guess.

One thing I wanted to add: note how "huge" he is after gaining 10 lbs of muscle. Man, I bet he can hardly move, he's so massive. If I got that huge, I wouldn't be able to box. I'd be far too bulky and muscle-bound. :rolleyes:

:owned:

I dunno. Orange is in, I guess.

One thing I wanted to add: note how "huge" he is after gaining 10 lbs of muscle. Man, I bet he can hardly move, he's so massive. If I got that huge, I wouldn't be able to box. I'd be far too bulky and muscle-bound. :rolleyes:

Lol! I used to hit the weights and box, didnt find it a problem at all. And when i start back in the next few weeks i intend to get back on the weights! I personally think its a very dated theory not to lift weights but if the guy who started the thread wants to take full advantage of his natural phisique id just go easy on the lifting

I personally think its a very dated theory not to lift weights

A lot of boxers appear to be allergic to iron.

If Floyd Mayweather trains with weights its safe to say that the weight lifting thing is all a myth.

The best boxer in the world weight trains in his camp. Think about it...

Oh yeah consider your build a gift when it comes to boxing, and if you really wanted to gain weight you could.

WTF this kid looks no bigger in the 2nd then the first picture hes not big hes skinnier looking in the 2nd pic how can you say hes massive? and bulky are you him>?

WTF this kid looks no bigger in the 2nd then the first picture hes not big hes skinnier looking in the 2nd pic how can you say hes massive? and bulky are you him>?

Dude. That's sarcasm. It's like the funny kind of joke, only different.

What I am implying is that even on a kid this skinny, ten pounds of muscle is not a considerable difference -- unlike what many on this board would have you believe: "If you gained ten pounds of muscle you'd be too bulky / big / buff / inflexible to box!"

i would kill to have stats like that.

im the same height, but 50 lbs more :eek:

i didnt read other responses, but i would get to a gym, learn to box, and try to maintain weight and get lots of power. so hit that bag :)

The only solution is steroids














or lots of food

finally someone skinnier than me

Thanks alot for that info, so one steak is enough for a day? Because I honestly do not have the time or appietite to eat 5 chicken breast a day. Is thier a chart out thier with the meat, and protien?

Thanks alot for that info, so one steak is enough for a day? Because I honestly do not have the time or appietite to eat 5 chicken breast a day. Is thier a chart out thier with the meat, and protien?

Ive got 1 in a magazine sum where, i'll try and dig it out for u later but theres always loads of **** on protien and diets in the muscle mags, Mens Health, Flex, Iron man ect, The guys in the mags are giant freaks but the info and tips are all there! Dont worry u wont end up like them!

Thanks alot for that info, so one steak is enough for a day? Because I honestly do not have the time or appietite to eat 5 chicken breast a day. Is thier a chart out thier with the meat, and protien?

I'm really sorry; I didn't write that part very clearly. What I meant to say is that one big steak is what a pound of muscle looks like -- one big steak is how much muscle you'd gain by eating 5 chicken breasts a day for a month in addition to working out and eating your regular diet.

Whey protein is your best bet for getting big amounts of protein, fast. Don't go over 60-80 grams of protein per meal; you'll just crap it out.

My preferred morning and evening protein boost is here -- it adds about 80 grams of protein to my diet per day:

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1979442&postcount=9

I hope this clears some stuff up.

I'm really sorry; I didn't write that part very clearly. What I meant to say is that one big steak is what a pound of muscle looks like -- one big steak is how much muscle you'd gain by eating 5 chicken breasts a day for a month in addition to working out and eating your regular diet.

Whey protein is your best bet for getting big amounts of protein, fast. Don't go over 60-80 grams of protein per meal; you'll just crap it out.

My preferred morning and evening protein boost is here -- it adds about 80 grams of protein to my diet per day:

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1979442&postcount=9

I hope this clears some stuff up.

What protien do u use? shake wise i mean. I was using Nitro Tech before i stopped the gym, it seemed to work well. Think i'll get that when i start back, also Cell Tech Creatine, i mite get that again too. Any advise other wise?

What protien do u use? shake wise i mean. I was using Nitro Tech before i stopped the gym, it seemed to work well. Think i'll get that when i start back, also Cell Tech Creatine, i mite get that again too. Any advise other wise?

JMO, here:

I don't like creatine; it gives me a headache and makes me sick to my stomach. Your mileage may vary. It does work -- I get a good pump and more energy -- I just prefer not to take it. Boxing with a headache sucks.

I buy my whey at Costco, some generic brand. It was 2.5 lbs. for $17.95 the last time I bought it. It comes in bags. I bought 2 bags of it so I haven't had to buy it in a few months. I don't think the brand matters as much as the companies want you to believe it does. I stay away from anything that has Aspartame or Sucralose or any artificial **** in it. The extra few calories from regular sugar or maltodextrin (I avoid high fructose corn syrup; I believe it's the single worst thing you can consume short of MSG, transfats, and/or fried pork brains) -- is worth it to me to not put that other crap in my body. BTW, recent science has proven that high fructose corn syrup makes your liver GENERATE fat. :eek: That's in addition to ****ing up your metabolism and adding empty calories that you'll store as fat if you don't burn.

I use whey and a multivitamin, and that's it for supplements for me. I would love to find a cheap, unflavored whey protein that I could mix into pancakes, oatmeal, etc.

Thanks alot for that info, so one steak is enough for a day? Because I honestly do not have the time or appietite to eat 5 chicken breast a day. Is thier a chart out thier with the meat, and protien?

dude...are you annorexic?...how the hell can't you eat 5 chicken breasts in one day. If you want to gain weight all the working out in the world wont help you unless you eat. You should be eating small meals every 3 hours and be ingesting about 1.5grams of protein per pound you weigh.

JMO, here:

I don't like creatine; it gives me a headache and makes me sick to my stomach. Your mileage may vary. It does work -- I get a good pump and more energy -- I just prefer not to take it. Boxing with a headache sucks.

I buy my whey at Costco, some generic brand. It was 2.5 lbs. for $17.95 the last time I bought it. It comes in bags. I bought 2 bags of it so I haven't had to buy it in a few months. I don't think the brand matters as much as the companies want you to believe it does. I stay away from anything that has Aspartame or Sucralose or any artificial **** in it. The extra few calories from regular sugar or maltodextrin (I avoid high fructose corn syrup; I believe it's the single worst thing you can consume short of MSG, transfats, and/or fried pork brains) -- is worth it to me to not put that other crap in my body. BTW, recent science has proven that high fructose corn syrup makes your liver GENERATE fat. :eek: That's in addition to ****ing up your metabolism and adding empty calories that you'll store as fat if you don't burn.

I use whey and a multivitamin, and that's it for supplements for me. I would love to find a cheap, unflavored whey protein that I could mix into pancakes, oatmeal, etc.

It duznt give me a headache but u clearly know ur **** my friend, thanks for the tips! :biggthump

you could easily school guy and KO them man

try to use it before you advantge is gone. but you got a long body need to train you gut and make it steel so guys who get inside wont hurt you much

Kid_Achillis you look like a skinny guy not the bulky one

well to add something to this: about 4 months ago I was about 6 feet and 135. Now I'm around 160 (one week I can be 165, the other 155). Basically I just made sure I ate enough, maybe too much, and was diligent with the weights and the heavy bag. However, this all came at the expense of cardio. I might be able to move the bag like I couldn't imagine before, my stamina has decreased accordingly. And while all the heavy bag practise has me my punches better, and I guess "crisper", the weight is slowing me down, I'm just not as quick as I used to be. Now my plan is to hit the cardio pretty well while hopefully staying at around 160. Now if that works, that'll be good, but I may end up basically just where I started from, just a little bigger. That'll be a few months thing, but I'll let you know how it goes. Also, I'm about 19 1/2, and I kind like "grew out" over the last few months as well, so my build has also naturally gotten a little bigger. Around 20 most people start thickening out if they haven't already. So I'd wait for that before you really try to gain weight. Take your time, just work on the boxing for now, thats what you gotta start early, if you need to gain weight, you should be able to later, technique can take years. I've always been a tiny mutha, I guess till now, but I've been at least passivly learning to box since I was 4 (haha, my dad was a boxer), and even in my tiny days I could hold my own. Worry about your skills first, then the weight. If you want, I'll let you know about my progress to see if this whole weight gain thing has worked for me.

Peace,
Trick

dude...are you annorexic?...how the hell can't you eat 5 chicken breasts in one day. If you want to gain weight all the working out in the world wont help you unless you eat. You should be eating small meals every 3 hours and be ingesting about 1.5grams of protein per pound you weigh.

#1. Chicken is bland as ****, and I like a variety of meats.
#2. Im on the move, work, school, ect... dont have time to cook all that.

If you want, I'll let you know about my progress to see if this whole weight gain thing has worked for me.

Id appreicate it.

#1. Chicken is bland as ****, and I like a variety of meats.
#2. Im on the move, work, school, ect... dont have time to cook all that.




Chicken isnt bland if you use marinades, cook it in pastas and such. Also you dont need to just eat chicken, you can eat all sorts of other foods but your going to have to eat more than 1 meal a day.

Im in school too, i work and still manage to find time to train 5 days a week and eat healthy, making sure your able to eat 6-8 meals a day takes about an extra 10-15 minutes in the morning before you go out its really simple..

personally, I think Tuna works really well aswell

personally, I think Tuna works really well aswell

def agreed.

I used chicken just as a measuring stick. Personally, I love smoked salmon. Any kind of protein will work.

I used chicken just as a measuring stick. Personally, I love smoked salmon. Any kind of protein will work.

yeah smoked salmon is amazing. But the big problem is this kid just needs to get an appetite

How'd flip skinny get banned? He was here for like a day

How'd flip skinny get banned? He was here for like a day

Yeah he been here for like a day or 2 and he gets banned wut he do? And the American Spirit dude!? By the way wut sort of **** gets u banned?

I think it was from something he said about Iraq

Really? Wow...

I think it was from something he said about Iraq

Who flip skiiny? talkin about iraq

Count your blessings. Corrales is 6' and 135 pounds. I've met the guy. Just work out and don't worry about your weight. You are a lucky SOB.....

Count your blessings. Corrales is 6' and 135 pounds. I've met the guy. Just work out and don't worry about your weight. You are a lucky SOB.....

Actually he's 5'11'' and he cuts A LOT of weight and comes in weighing at jr. middle by fight time. But yeah..