Naseem Hamed
Marco Antonio Barrera
Manny Pacquiao

And not necessarily in that order.....

are you kidding me?

Top 3 All Time at 126

1. Willy pep
2. Sandy Saddler
3. Salvador Sanchez

Hamed is in the lower half of the top ten or 10-15 range

When you make a poll for "Best Ever", please get yourself an iota of wisdom on the actual history of the division. Not just the last 20 years.

Thank you.

When you make a poll for "Best Ever", please get yourself an iota of wisdom on the actual history of the division. Not just the last 20 years.

Thank you.

Ok Mr. Wise Man of Boxing. So who are your bets?

Well, I'd say jose up there has a pretty sensible take on things. I might even go as far to say that Saddler was the best ever, but Pep was right there as well.

It sure as hell isn't Hamhead or Marquez, O Slanty-eyed One

Well, I'd say jose up there has a pretty sensible take on things. I might even go as far to say that Saddler was the best ever, but Pep was right there as well.

It sure as hell isn't Hamhead or Marquez, O Slanty-eyed One


Point taken. But with or without the crash,
Willie Pep was one of the greatest.
I rest my case, my list is for the best featherweights
of the last quarter century.

Last quarter century is Sal Sanchez.......and then everyone else.

yip jose isnt far off the mark but where the friugg is azumah nelson on your list?

you can put him down as a vcertianty to bounce pacmans head off the ropes til he was sick.

Jeez the bloke wins one fight agianst a jaded bareera and luckily gets a draw. How ignorant and you mention him in the same breath as Sanchez, Pep, sandler, nelson even Barerra and morales have a greater claim to be on there than Pacman he simply hasnt done enough at the weight.

yip jose isnt far off the mark but where the friugg is azumah nelson on your list?

you can put him down as a vcertianty to bounce pacmans head off the ropes til he was sick.

Jeez the bloke wins one fight agianst a jaded bareera and luckily gets a draw. How ignorant and you mention him in the same breath as Sanchez, Pep, sandler, nelson even Barerra and morales have a greater claim to be on there than Pacman he simply hasnt done enough at the weight.


Eusebio Pedroza was a greater featherweight than either Pac, Barrera, or Morales.

Sanchez & Nelson are the two best of the last 25 years, with Eusebio right behind them.


I agree Azumah Nelson would have smacked the three modern-day guys silly.

cheers Jabs you know what this constant Pacman over-hyping is turning me off from a fighter Ive always liked.

get some perpective guys he should have lost against marquez, in my opinion was given a total boxing lesson all but 3 rounds and you wanna hope he comes up with a plan B against Morales cos he is gonna get his ass whooped if not.

As for pedroza yeah of course, though as a kid the only time I saw him box was losing to our own great featherwight Barry Mcguigan who would have given Pacman murders as well. And Naz.

honest sometimes you'd think boxing has only been around 5 years :rolleyes:


im off to light my open fire pour a scotch and smoke my pipe all you young uns are makeing my head hurt :D :D :D

(taking the p*ss im not old at all, well unless 31 is old.)

Look, there were featherweights before 1970. I know that is hard to believe but it is worth knowing, Because 2 of the best fighters EVER were featherweights and fought during this time.

1-Willie Pep
2-Henry Armstrong
3-Sandy Saddler

seems we are all singing from the same hymn sheet as it were!
pacman all time my arse. :D

Barrera
Morales
Lopez

Spinks

NOOOOO Dude. Sorry. You are not correct.

Spinks

NOOOOO Dude. Sorry. You are not correct.



Matter of opinion.

But REASON should enter into it.
Do you know what Armstrong and Pep did?

Matter of opinion.

i have to say spinz is right here, it wouldnt be my list but at least Barrerra and Morales have legitmate claims to be there or there abouts, i personally would have em out side the top 5 but only just.

marquez and pacman dont belong on this list.

Erik Morales' days as a featherweight were NOTHING spectacular !

His fights with Guty Espadas, Chi, & Barrera...were all unconvincing. You could even say he lost all 3.
His most impressive fight at 126 was against a 122lber, Paulie Ayala.
What else was there, AT THAT WEIGHT ?

I think he's a phenomenal fighter....but he belongs NOWHERE on any all-time 126lb list.

The victories/accomplishments aren't there, period.

that too is valid though there is also an argument that he fought the best in his only three fights at feather and prevailed.]

but not up there with the likes of sanchez et al, no.

Later.....

The pool table is calling to me.....

shame thought there was some interesting chat going on there. :(

I don't think Morales or Barrera would crack my top 10. Featherweight is one of the deapest divisions of all-time.

I think Manny Pacquiao will hav a chance to be one of top three greatest ever if he cleans up the division. When I say this, he should validate his win over Barrera(which I think is not yet shot, just happened that style-wise he is tailor-made for Pacman), beat Marquez convincingly in a rematch, beat Chi, move up to fight Morales then go back to featherweight and fight up and coming featherweights like Larios, Guzman, Juarez, etcc... Even Rafael Marquez can compete at featherweight when the time comes. Just an opinion brothers, what you think?

I'll give you Sanchez, and possible Barrera but Hamed, Manny and Marquez, come on, in the history of the division you can do better than that, I see somebody has mentioned the great Willie Pepp no doubt he's up there!

I see that many are doubting the eligibility of Pacman
as one of the division's top honchos. Understandable since
he has just been campaigning in the division for less than 2 years.
I agree with jose paulo up there. Manny's upcoming fights will
affirm his stature. And I have no doubt that he will prove
naysayers wrong.

1- Sandy Saddler
2- Salvador Sanchez

I see that many are doubting the eligibility of Pacman
as one of the division's top honchos. Understandable since
he has just been campaigning in the division for less than 2 years.
I agree with jose paulo up there. Manny's upcoming fights will
affirm his stature. And I have no doubt that he will prove
naysayers wrong.

you may be right but he needs to be lot bloody better than he has been.

his technique in the marquez fight was lamentable, outside a big left he had sweet f.a. hopping in and out like a rabbit on amphetemines and getting tagged on the way in all the time does not constitute a great sylist, he will never be one of those.

I predict pacman will not be joining the likes of Pep Sandler Sanchez and Nelson, look at their achievments, Pacman is well over hyped at present. A good world champ yes of course, but a potential all time great Im not so sure.

dont get me wrong I like pacman, exciting, strong and a big puncher but come on , he relies on his whack and being able to hurt discourage and get his shots off first. These guys were masters of the art pac has only just made it to junior school in comparison.

It has become "blasphemy" to criticize the late Salvador Sanchez, but....here goes.


He's become overrated.
Was he great ? YES.....but, look at his title defenses.

Sanchez NEEDED an aggrressive foe in front of him in order to shine.
He looked almost odinary against guys like Pat Ford, Ruben Castillo, Pat Cowdell, Juan LaPorte, & Rocky Garcia.
Why ? Because these guys didn't just wade in, ala Little Red & Wilfredo Gomez, running into shot after shot.

Sanchez, ultimately, beat everyone in front of him....& that's what is most important. But, he was indeed flawed.

good spot jabs, though I wouldnt sty Azumah came at you in straight lines and he beat him (just and at late notice). There is no perfect fighter, the ing of a great is even when a style gives you nightmares or you are having an off night you find a way to win. :cool:

I am a Filipino and an avid Pac Man Fan, Manny has just fought 3 times in this division (and you got to remember he started at flyweight), 2 of them against the best that this division has offer and I believe he did well....

I think you guys should give him few more fights, the rematch with marquez will prove a lot and I do believe that he will prove himself to be one of the best feather if he will stay at this weight, just wait and see....

Maybe to you guys he is over hyped but for us who seen him fight since his teens, we know he is the real deal, give him more fights then judge him....

I have not seen a fight of Pepp or Sandler but I already heard their names but as a kid I LIKED SEEING SALVADOR SANCHEZ FIGHT IT WAS ALL ACTION AND I THINK HE IS ONE OF THE BEST FEATHER....

good spot jabs, though I wouldnt sty Azumah came at you in straight lines and he beat him (just and at late notice). There is no perfect fighter, the ing of a great is even when a style gives you nightmares or you are having an off night you find a way to win. :cool:


JPW....

I think a more mature Nelson would have defeated Sanchez.

Nelson developed into such a well-rounded fighter.

possible mate, its a close one to call s we never got to see how Salvador developed either, he was only 24 when he died, he had at least another 5-6 years in him all things going well. But they didnt.

sad. tragic in fact.

what is for sure both Azumah and salvador both deserve to be right up there in the all time lists.

possible mate, its a close one to call s we never got to see how Salvador developed either, he was only 24 when he died, he had another 5-6 years in him.

sad. tragic in fact.


I think Sanchez was already in his prime, at the time of his death.

again possible mate, but we dont know do we........not sure you physically peak at 24 but he certainly started out very young and as we know the amount of wars takes a greater toll on boxers than age in many cases.

pacman
barrera
salvador sanchez

:)

wind up alert ;)

again possible mate, but we dont know do we........not sure you physically peak at 24 but he certainly started out very young and as we know the amount of wars takes a greater toll on boxers than age in many cases.


exactly...look at Benitez & Pipino Cuevas.


Young men, old fighters.

yip! and Stanley Ketchel, Mike Tyson, and to an extent Floyd Patterson

Here's the bottom line. If you don't have Sandy Saddler in your top feathers of all time...you don't know boxing. Period.

Italian.

I agree.

bingo!!!!! guy did stop pep 3 out of 4 times they met! :eek:

Not to run it into the ground. The guy was an absolute terror in that division during the late 40' and early 50's. The record kinda speaks for itself, 145-16 with 103 ko's!!

And he was the first feather to beat Pep. Saddler put an awful beating on anybody.

yip they also got through some fights in those days, 3 -4 a month not a year. Incedible really when you think about it.

nice chat fellas so far enjoyed it :cool:

cheers Jabs you know what this constant Pacman over-hyping is turning me off from a fighter Ive always liked.

get some perpective guys he should have lost against marquez, in my opinion was given a total boxing lesson all but 3 rounds and you wanna hope he comes up with a plan B against Morales cos he is gonna get his ass whooped if not.

As for pedroza yeah of course, though as a kid the only time I saw him box was losing to our own great featherwight Barry Mcguigan who would have given Pacman murders as well. And Naz.

honest sometimes you'd think boxing has only been around 5 years

im off to light my open fire pour a scotch and smoke my pipe all you young uns are makeing my head hurt

(taking the p*ss im not old at all, well unless 31 is old.)


Like previously said if the hype turns you off then Booohoo, the hype might just be true.
I do have some perspective about the JMM fight. Boxing ****ing lesson you guys crack me up lol :D Boxing Lesson was DLH-Tito, Leonard-Hagler, Chavez-Whitaker. Once that flatfooted sleeping pill won 4-5 rounds in a row it was automatically over and everyone shuts their eyes :rolleyes: .

Oh yah Naz would have murdered Pac LOL. :D Lay off the scotch pops :D

you may be right but he needs to be lot bloody better than he has been.

his technique in the marquez fight was lamentable, outside a big left he had sweet f.a. hopping in and out like a rabbit on amphetemines and getting tagged on the way in all the time does not constitute a great sylist, he will never be one of those.

I predict pacman will not be joining the likes of Pep Sandler Sanchez and Nelson, look at their achievments, Pacman is well over hyped at present. A good world champ yes of course, but a potential all time great Im not so sure.

dont get me wrong I like pacman, exciting, strong and a big puncher but come on , he relies on his whack and being able to hurt discourage and get his shots off first. These guys were masters of the art pac has only just made it to junior school in comparison.

You can't really make an assumption on a fighter's potential by watching a couple of his fights. I've followed his his whole career and see a lot more. He has a lot and I mean A LOT to do before he can become a great but defeating MAB convincingly and drawing Marquez in his 2nd and 3rd fight in the division is a damn good start. And his schedule just gets tougher from here on out. He certainly has the will and teh heart of a great. Time will tell if he can actually make it.

Saddler definately was a beast and should be no lower than #3 all-time. However, don't automatically claim that he was better than Willie Pep simply based on their meetings. Pep was no longer at his peak when they fought, mainly due to a plane crash he was in. Doctors doubted that he would even walk again, let alone fight.

Still, even past his best, he was able to beat Saddler, though very narrowly and barely hanging on, in their rematch. Pep ranks #1 in my book.

JPW....

I think a more mature Nelson would have defeated Sanchez.

Nelson developed into such a well-rounded fighter.

it would have been great to see both of them fight again, he died 2 weeks after the fight with nelson at the age of 23. Who knows what he could have done if he had not died.

well, i have to say the best feather i have seen is barrera. that i have seen!! for the best, it's very tough. u have to mention saddler, pep and sanchez in the top 3. i think salvador sanchez could have been the greatest, but he unfortunately died way, way too young!! so i can't really put him at no. 1. top 3 yeah!! but that list is a joke on top to chose from. whoever put that there needs more boxing history lessons. hamed the greatest!! ha ha ha. bull****!! how about putting on ur list sandy saddler, willie pep, Tony Canzoneri, Henry Armstrong, Azumah Nelson and wilfredo gomez. that's just a few. i know im missing some also! u could put barrera, and morales in there, but not pacquiao or marquez. not yet atleast. hamed u can put in there too, but i think he would get picked apart by some of the greats. so i think he is not in the top 10. probably between 10 and 15. who knows!!

it would have been great to see both of them fight again, he died 2 weeks after the fight with nelson at the age of 23. Who knows what he could have done if he had not died.

yeah, but remember, sanchez was young himself!! he was only 22 or 23 when they fought i think!!

It's hard to judge who was the better of Saddler and Pep because
Saddler was the bigger puncher, they're top 1 and 2, any order, a prime
Henry Armstrong, and then Azumah Nelson

When discussing all-time featherweights, a lot of names are said, namely Pep, Saddler, Armstrong, Sanchez, Nelson, etc. And rightfully so, because they were tremendous fighters. However, there are a few that never seem to be mentioned, but i feel deserves some props.

Eusebio Pedroza – defended the featherweight title a record 19 consecutive times, defeating the likes of Royal Kobayashi, Rocky Lockridge, Ruben Olivares, and Juan LaPorte. An extremely rough and tough fighter, who easily ranks as one of the dirtiest of all-time.

Alexis Arguello – his accomplishments (only 4 title defenses) aren’t as eye catching as others, but if you saw him fight at 126, you’d easily see that he was one of the best fighters of all-time. The way he disposed of Jose Legra, Ruben Olivares, among many was brutal. He wasn’t fast, but he was economical, deadly with his fists, and pretty much a perfect offensive fighter.

Probably all of the following fighters aren’t very well known, but they should be ranked among the greatest featherweights.

Johnny Kilbane – holds the featherweight record for the longest uninterrupted title reign, ruling the division for 11 years and 4 months.

Abe Attell – compiled a record of 104-15-18. His record looks like the who’s who of the turn of the century featherweights, posting wins over George Dixon and Johnny Kilbane, newspaper decisions over Battling Nelson, Owen Moran, Ad Wolgast, and Charley White.

The list goes on and on with George Dixon, Terry McGovern, Wilfredo Gomez, Jim Driscoll, Vicent Saldivar, Tony Canzoneri, Kid Chocolate, Naseem Hamed, etc. This division is so rich with talent that it’s extremely difficult to create a definitive list. However, the consensus 1 and 2 are pretty much Pep and Saddler.

When discussing all-time featherweights, a lot of names are said, namely Pep, Saddler, Armstrong, Sanchez, Nelson, etc. And rightfully so, because they were tremendous fighters. However, there are a few that never seem to be mentioned, but i feel deserves some props.

Eusebio Pedroza – defended the featherweight title a record 19 consecutive times, defeating the likes of Royal Kobayashi, Rocky Lockridge, Ruben Olivares, and Juan LaPorte. An extremely rough and tough fighter, who easily ranks as one of the dirtiest of all-time.

Alexis Arguello – his accomplishments (only 4 title defenses) aren’t as eye catching as others, but if you saw him fight at 126, you’d easily see that he was one of the best fighters of all-time. The way he disposed of Jose Legra, Ruben Olivares, among many was brutal. He wasn’t fast, but he was economical, deadly with his fists, and pretty much a perfect offensive fighter.

Probably all of the following fighters aren’t very well known, but they should be ranked among the greatest featherweights.

Johnny Kilbane – holds the featherweight record for the longest uninterrupted title reign, ruling the division for 11 years and 4 months.

Abe Attell – compiled a record of 104-15-18. His record looks like the who’s who of the turn of the century featherweights, posting wins over George Dixon and Johnny Kilbane, newspaper decisions over Battling Nelson, Owen Moran, Ad Wolgast, and Charley White.

The list goes on and on with George Dixon, Terry McGovern, Wilfredo Gomez, Jim Driscoll, Vicent Saldivar, Tony Canzoneri, Kid Chocolate, Naseem Hamed, etc. This division is so rich with talent that it’s extremely difficult to create a definitive list. However, the consensus 1 and 2 are pretty much Pep and Saddler.


Talking about Hamed...Any Naz fans out there have any idea what's in the works for him in the near future ?

continued retirement, i chat with his ex promoter from time to time he would be extremely surprised to see Naz actually back in training.

he is finished.


p.s. great post CPLE

Here's the bottom line. If you don't have Sandy Saddler in your top feathers of all time...you don't know boxing. Period.

Sadler was an excellent fighter, however his victories over Pep must be noted by the fact that Pep had been in a near fatal plane crash and was told that he would be lucky to walk again let alone box, even in this state Pep managed to beat sadler once, therefoe my opinion Pep wsas the grand master of the feathers, you can argue the toss of who comes in what order after that but you have to look at: Gomez, Nelson, pedroza, Barrera, Morrales, Sadler and Sanchez. To even think that Hamed could be considered is woeful (and i'm British) - i'd have him outside my top 10, Pac has only a couple of fights at the weight and marquez is stretching it by anybodies imagination.

good stuff nice to see the cream floating to the top guys! :cool:

I see that the feather division historically is one of the deepest and most competitive division and still is at present a lot of guys I remember from my youth sanchez, arguello, nelson, pedroza, and just recently barerra & morales are all great fighters and I am happy that this early Manny's name is being mentioned along side these greats....

This early I can see Pac Man is the first Asian to crack Top 10 or Top 15 all time Feather and has a chance to be at the top if and when he beats Marquez on their rematch and can unify the 4 major belts....

thge top of what? the top of the feathers present day cos he beats marquez, fair enough, the top all time if he does this, sorry but NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO :eek:

thge top of what? the top of the feathers present day cos he beats marquez, fair enough, the top all time if he does this, sorry but NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO :eek:

Well JPW top all time if he beats Marquez and unify the belts, remember JMM only have 2 there are still two champions to go....and maybe you can also add to dominate the division a few more years after unifying the division.....

How's that can I get one YES.....

well thats a bit different mate, i thought you were saying he would be all time numero uno if he beat marquez and unified the belts, of course if he dominates for years to come he will have earned the right to be up there, but seeing as he struggled to get a draw (i though he Lost by a round or two) last time out, doesnt hold a belt at present at the weight, do you not think you are jumping the gun somewhat? There sure are a hell of a lot of ifs 'n buts n maybe's.

Ive stated before I like Pacman but this constant over elaboration of his present status is based on one victory over an ageing barerra at featherweight.

hardly an strong argument to put him in the midst of the greats mentioned above in this thread. In fact without being rude to you, its plain nonsense. ;)

I guess I could not get a yes from you, but maybe not now, but in the future when Manny has proven his true worth, you will see then...

but for me and millions of Filipino like myself its not nonsense he is the Peoples Champion taken from the previos KIng of the Feather, Manny has all the right to be mentioned along the greats mentioned above maybe not in the Top 3 at this point, but I am sure in the Top 15 or 20, you can't just put anybody to face two of the best present time feather and give them the worst beating of their life (and Barerra got old during the fight with PacMan coz of Manny's left straight not because he is old,plus your ifs, buts and maybes will be answered after PacMan-Dinamita II).....

MATE HONEST Im no hater, just tryng to put into perspective.

but rather than be negative cos I can see youre a big fan , he is a good fighter, he is exciting and Im glad you have a good boxer to champion its good for the sport and always good to chat with fans form around the world even if we dont agree all the time!

enjoy mate I wish pacman luck, who knows maybe he will come over here and take on harrison or vice versa , look forward to talking to you further about the progress made in the very near future! Reckon for now we have to agree to disagree but thats cool!!! :cool:

JPW I am true fan thats how I am but that fight I LOVE TO SEE HAPPEN IN THE NEAR FUTURE, Real Deal vs Pac Man, that will be one good fight and we know who we will be routing for me for Pac and you for Real D., but I prefer it to be stage in UK or in the US, not to easy to stage a fight in Manila....

I guess I could not get a yes from you, but maybe not now, but in the future when Manny has proven his true worth, you will see then...

but for me and millions of Filipino like myself its not nonsense he is the Peoples Champion taken from the previos KIng of the Feather, Manny has all the right to be mentioned along the greats mentioned above maybe not in the Top 3 at this point, but I am sure in the Top 15 or 20, you can't just put anybody to face two of the best present time feather and give them the worst beating of their life (and Barerra got old during the fight with PacMan coz of Manny's left straight not because he is old,plus your ifs, buts and maybes will be answered after PacMan-Dinamita II).....

I respect your loyalty to Manny, but he is no where near the top 15 or 20 featherweights of all-time. His only major accomplishments were beating Barrera and narrowly escaping Marquez with a draw. Perhaps someday he'll be mentioned among the greatest ever, but not right now. That would be an injustice to the fighters that truly deserve it.

I'm not too sure of the all time GreatS in this division . . . only the top FIVE at present. I'll go with the rings P4P list.

Manny Pacquiao
JuAN Marquez
Marco Antonio Barera
Harrison
In jin CHI :cool:

I respect your loyalty to Manny, but he is no where near the top 15 or 20 featherweights of all-time. His only major accomplishments were beating Barrera and narrowly escaping Marquez with a draw. Perhaps someday he'll be mentioned among the greatest ever, but not right now. That would be an injustice to the fighters that truly deserve it.


I agree to that . . . not yet . . . not now . . . it's still way too early. Manny has only 3 fights in the division . . . one tune up fight, against MAB and against JMM.

MR. CPL point taken, i dont want to do injustice to the past legends who have already proved there worth, but maybe not yet, but I am sure that Manny will prove himself and in the future will deserve to be mentioned along side the greatest ever....

and now I have to agree also with Mr. PSO not yet all time, but Manny had only 3 fights in the division and proved that he is a present day feather weight great......

I only ask from you guys to give him few more fights to show his greatness.....

this is one of the best threads ive ever had the pleasure of being involved in, good work guys have some karma biznez!

knowledgable, respectful and enjoyable, cheers :cool:

this is one of the best threads ive ever had the pleasure of being involved in, good work guys have some karma biznez!

knowledgable, respectful and enjoyable, cheers :cool:

To JPW, jose, cple, jomapac, pso junior (and yes, even Homicide Hank): I've learned a lot more about the division than before this thread was started. Stirred a hornet's nest for not including the likes of Pep, Saddler, Armstrong, Nelson, etc on my poll (ok, I'm guilty :(). But hey, this is my own opinion, and you've said your pieces on it. Lots of sensible posts from you guys. Also goes to show lots of interest on the featherweights. Keep the discussion going !

Thanks to you Asian Storm to start this thread, and for JPW, CPLE, PSO to straigthen my perspective, now I learned that my Champion Pac has long way to go to be mentioned along side the all time best feather like my previous idols Sanchez & Arguello, but I am sure in the future he will be, but for now I will settle for present day feather weight great....

I'll follow this thread closely and hope to learn more....

well he may yet go on to equal those achievments, who knows!
this could end up being a thread that never dies :cool: :D

MR. CPL point taken, i dont want to do injustice to the past legends who have already proved there worth, but maybe not yet, but I am sure that Manny will prove himself and in the future will deserve to be mentioned along side the greatest ever....

and now I have to agree also with Mr. PSO not yet all time, but Manny had only 3 fights in the division and proved that he is a present day feather weight great......

I only ask from you guys to give him few more fights to show his greatness.....


Absolutely . . . the first was a tune up fight . . . the second fight he took out the p4p BEST IN THE DIVISION. The third he sent down the IBF/WBA champion 3 times in the canvas although it turn out to be a draw . . . . and give Manny just few more fights and it will justify his name being mentioned among the best. It's not the numbers that counts it's the quality of opposition . . . the numbers? It will only show and justify his consistentcy.

Peace BRO!

How Does Manny Beat One Good Fighter And Get Called The Best?

JPW and Asian storm . . . thanks for the compliments . . . I share MY OPINIONS and what I know then I check other threads and get what I need to know . . . that's how I increase my knowledge and understanding of this sport. ;)

kb8mvp, Manny beat the King of the Feathers and in doing so became present day King, the best, he drew his last fight with Marquez who has a claim on the title of King of the Feathers, but until Manny is beaten by anothr feather he is KING....

AMEN to that

well he may yet go on to equal those achievments, who knows!
this could end up being a thread that never dies :cool: :D


Any Juan Manuel Marquez fans out there? We haven't heard from you guys yet on this thread :)

kb8mvp, Manny beat the King of the Feathers and in doing so became present day King, the best, he drew his last fight with Marquez who has a claim on the title of King of the Feathers, but until Manny is beaten by anothr feather he is KING....


MAN U GUYS NEVER QUIT, HE BEAT MAB ON A BAD DAY. BET ANYTHING THE REMATCH LOOKS NOTHING LIKE TE FIRST FIGHT. THEN HE TIED WITH A GUY THAT SHOULDNT BE CONSIDERED AS ONE OF THE BEST EVER JMM.PAC HAS A LONG WAY TO GO BEFORE HE IS EVEN KING OF THE DIVISION MUCH LESS ONE OF THE ALL TIME GREATS.MARQUEZ EXPOSED HIM IN R 2-12 WONT BE LONG BEFORE HE GETS CAUGHT GOING IN AND KO'D. THE GUY HAS ONE PUNCH IN HIS ARSENAL,I WOULD CONSIDER MARQUEZ AS A WAY BETTER FIGHTER AND HIGHER ON THE LIST THAN MANNY MUCH MORE COMPLETE FIGHTER THAN HIM. HE NEEDS TO BEAT 3-4 TOP GUYS TO GET CONSIDERATION,AND I LIKE MANNY BUT THE BEST WERE SANCHEZ AND NELSON.

MAN U GUYS NEVER QUIT, HE BEAT MAB ON A BAD DAY. BET ANYTHING THE REMATCH LOOKS NOTHING LIKE TE FIRST FIGHT. THEN HE TIED WITH A GUY THAT SHOULDNT BE CONSIDERED AS ONE OF THE BEST EVER JMM.PAC HAS A LONG WAY TO GO BEFORE HE IS EVEN KING OF THE DIVISION MUCH LESS ONE OF THE ALL TIME GREATS.MARQUEZ EXPOSED HIM IN R 2-12 WONT BE LONG BEFORE HE GETS CAUGHT GOING IN AND KO'D. THE GUY HAS ONE PUNCH IN HIS ARSENAL,I WOULD CONSIDER MARQUEZ AS A WAY BETTER FIGHTER AND HIGHER ON THE LIST THAN MANNY MUCH MORE COMPLETE FIGHTER THAN HIM. HE NEEDS TO BEAT 3-4 TOP GUYS TO GET CONSIDERATION,AND I LIKE MANNY BUT THE BEST WERE SANCHEZ AND NELSON.

Manny can only improve as he campaigns in the division.
After he beats JMM again, and Barrera (on a good day), and
Morales then I'm pretty sure you'll start believing in him more.

kb8mvp, you are right we will never quit, to us he is present day King of the Feathers until he is beaten, JMM the only other fighter who has a claim on this title did not beat him...

I am keenly waiting for the PAC-JMM II to finally put an end on this argument of present day King of the Feathers....

kb8mvp, I also agree that Sanchez is one of the best Feather of all time, seeing him fight on TV as kid, I thought he was invincible & unbeatable at that time .....

naseem the prince hamed

naseem the prince hamed

techn9ne, I wish your boy returns to the ring soon.
I would love to see a Barrera-Hamed II !!!

HE BEAT MAB ON A BAD DAY. BET ANYTHING THE REMATCH LOOKS NOTHING LIKE TE FIRST FIGHT.

On a bad day? How so? Stop making excuses for your boy, mab got a beatdown simple as that and he dont even deserve a rematch, no one wanna see a one-sided fight (again).

On a bad day? How so? Stop making excuses for your boy, mab got a beatdown simple as that and he dont even deserve a rematch, no one wanna see a one-sided fight (again).


HA ! great going there ninjai858 :D

what Pac fans are forgeting is that Pac didn't beat JM Marquez either.

However niether one deserves to be in any conversation about all time greats at 126.

Don't leave off Wilfredo Gomez. While he got beat by Salvador Sanchez, still he ramains among those at the top.

Don't leave off Wilfredo Gomez. While he got beat by Salvador Sanchez, still he ramains among those at the top.


Gomez ?

He didn't even have one single successful defense of his 126lb crown.
He beat LaPorte for the title (an impressive win), & then was destroyed by Azumah Nelson.

Gomez doesn't even come close.

But, for what it's worth, he's unquestionably the greatest 122lber in history.

Gomez ?

He didn't even have one single successful defense of his 126lb crown.
He beat LaPorte for the title (an impressive win), & then was destroyed by Azumah Nelson.

Gomez doesn't even come close.

But, for what it's worth, he's unquestionably the greatest 122lber in history.


What do you guys think of Alexis Arguello ?
Was a hell of fighter in his time too....

Gomez is an all time great at 122 not 126.

Arguello is top ten all time at featherweight easy

Gomez is an all time great at 122 not 126.

Arguello is top ten all time at featherweight easy


Yeah, thought so too (re: Arguello)

Alexis Arguello is also one of my favorites and its nice that his name is being mentioned as one of the best feather of all time, but I could not erase in my mind the picture of him getting beat up by Aaron Pryor, I think Arguello was going up on weight on that fight...

Manny Pacquiao

Alexis Arguello is also one of my favorites and its nice that his name is being mentioned as one of the best feather of all time, but I could not erase in my mind the picture of him getting beat up by Aaron Pryor, I think Arguello was going up on weight on that fight...

Yeah, its always difficult to witness a losing fight of
a great boxer. That's why the ideal is that a boxer retires at the top of their game (hmmm..that would be a good thread to start :) will do so in a while). If Michael Jordan did not
return after his first retirement, then he would easily be the
greatest ball player ever, without any arguments whatsoever..Don't you think so basketball fans ?

Hey guys, anyone there know how I can add choices to my Best Featherweight Poll up there? I need to add the names of such
greats as Pep, Saddler, Armstrong etc. to make the list more venerable ... HELP !!

Asian Strom you are right that its better to retire while you are on top of your game but in basketball only your legacy is diminished in boxing the fighter loose at lot more....

I also have to ask, is there any doubt MJ is the greatest ball player ever, just like Ali came back from retirement and beat everybody and won his 2nd Heavy Weight Championship proving his greatness, MJ also did that, return and won the championship that his team lost without him....

Alexis Arguello is also one of my favorites and its nice that his name is being mentioned as one of the best feather of all time, but I could not erase in my mind the picture of him getting beat up by Aaron Pryor, I think Arguello was going up on weight on that fight...

Pryor-Arguello took place at jr. welterweight past Arguello's best days. He was still a very capable and dangerous opponent, just not at his best. That fight shouldn't diminish Arguello's featherweight rating.

cple its good to hear that for Arguello....

as a kid I was already rooting for Filipino Fighters, fighting around the world and one prospect named Andy "Hawian Punch" Ganigan (he is actually a Fil-Am) was knocking everybody out on his way to a title shot against Arguello, so I thought he will murder Alexis, but when I saw how he demolished Andy, I knew, I was introduced to a legend that night....

Joma....

Ganigan was fun to watch....& he could really whack.

He destroyed Sean O'Grady in the fight that earned him the shot at Arguello.

Remember, he did floor Alexis before Arguello's class took over.

jabsRstiff, yeah Ganigan was awesome that's why I thought he will kill Arguello, a guy I did not know during that fight, but I will remember forever, after that fight....

Ganigan had no defense & a pretty weak chin...not a good combo when facing someone as deadly s Arguello was.


Did you see when Ganigan was beaten by Jimmy Paul (may have been Ganigan's last fight) ?
That was u-g-l-y. Ganigan went down 5 or 6 times.

jabsRstiff, No I did not see that fight, I thought that his last fight was with Arguello but I just saw now in boxrec.com that he fought one more time but lost via TKO and they did not show the fight in the Phils. during that time, lucky for me I did not see that fight you mentioned or it will be forever etched in my mind....

jabsRstiff, No I did not see that fight, I thought that his last fight was with Arguello but I just saw now in boxrec.com that he fought one more time but lost via TKO and they did not show the fight in the Phils. during that time, lucky for me I did not see that fight you mentioned or it will be forever etched in my mind....


So has anyone already placed a bid on Homicide Hank's
Arguello-Pryor DVD ?

How about an all-out brawl between Saddler & Sanchez?
tough to call huh ?

So has anyone already placed a bid on Homicide Hank's
Arguello-Pryor DVD ?

What I saw last time, it was up to 5000, so I'm out no chance for me.....

This Cant Be A Tie Between Two Fighter Not Even On The Same Level. Someone That Knows Boxing Please Break The Tie.

That list is flat out laughable and anyone who think Pac is the greatest featherweight of all time needs to be taken out back and shot cause we cant have people that stupid reproducing.

That list is flat out laughable and anyone who think Pac is the greatest featherweight of all time needs to be taken out back and shot cause we cant have people that stupid reproducing.
THANK GOD. THERE IS PEOPLE WITH SOME SENSE IN HERE :)

When discussing all-time featherweights, a lot of names are said, namely Pep, Saddler, Armstrong, Sanchez, Nelson, etc. And rightfully so, because they were tremendous fighters. However, there are a few that never seem to be mentioned, but i feel deserves some props.

Eusebio Pedroza – defended the featherweight title a record 19 consecutive times, defeating the likes of Royal Kobayashi, Rocky Lockridge, Ruben Olivares, and Juan LaPorte. An extremely rough and tough fighter, who easily ranks as one of the dirtiest of all-time.

Alexis Arguello – his accomplishments (only 4 title defenses) aren’t as eye catching as others, but if you saw him fight at 126, you’d easily see that he was one of the best fighters of all-time. The way he disposed of Jose Legra, Ruben Olivares, among many was brutal. He wasn’t fast, but he was economical, deadly with his fists, and pretty much a perfect offensive fighter.

Probably all of the following fighters aren’t very well known, but they should be ranked among the greatest featherweights.

Johnny Kilbane – holds the featherweight record for the longest uninterrupted title reign, ruling the division for 11 years and 4 months.

Abe Attell – compiled a record of 104-15-18. His record looks like the who’s who of the turn of the century featherweights, posting wins over George Dixon and Johnny Kilbane, newspaper decisions over Battling Nelson, Owen Moran, Ad Wolgast, and Charley White.

The list goes on and on with George Dixon, Terry McGovern, Wilfredo Gomez, Jim Driscoll, Vicent Saldivar, Tony Canzoneri, Kid Chocolate, Naseem Hamed, etc. This division is so rich with talent that it’s extremely difficult to create a definitive list. However, the consensus 1 and 2 are pretty much Pep and Saddler.

LOL, at both the options given for the greatest featherweight of all-time, and at some of the discussions in this thread.

Cple, it's good to see you have both a healthy respect and knowledge of the great fighters of the past and the present, and have given a helping hand to some of the youngsters in this thread.

For what it's worth, this is my all-time top 20 featherweights, which is a ranking I compiled a short time ago;

1: Willie Pep
2: Henry Armstrong
3: Sandy Saddler
4: Abe Attell
5: Salvador Sanchez
6: George Dixon
7: Johnny Kilbane
8: Terry McGovern
9: Johnny Dundee
10: Kid Chocolate
11: Alexis Arguello
12: Jim Driscoll
13: Eusibio Pedroza
14: Vincente Saldivar
15: Freddie Miller
16: Tony Canzoneri
17: Azumah Nelson
18: Young Griffo
19: Baby Arizmendi
20: Battling Battalino

LOL, at both the options given for the greatest featherweight of all-time, and at some of the discussions in this thread.

Cple, it's good to see you have both a healthy respect and knowledge of the great fighters of the past and the present, and have given a helping hand to some of the youngsters in this thread.

For what it's worth, this is my all-time top 20 featherweights, which is a ranking I compiled a short time ago;

1: Willie Pep
2: Henry Armstrong
3: Sandy Saddler
4: Abe Attell
5: Salvador Sanchez
6: George Dixon
7: Johnny Kilbane
8: Terry McGovern
9: Johnny Dundee
10: Kid Chocolate
11: Alexis Arguello
12: Jim Driscoll
13: Eusibio Pedroza
14: Vincente Saldivar
15: Freddie Miller
16: Tony Canzoneri
17: Azumah Nelson
18: Young Griffo
19: Baby Arizmendi
20: Battling Battalino


Will be more than willing to add the names of some of the feather greats that were wrongly excluded from the greatest featherweight poll above. Any suggestions how I can add names to the poll ?

kb8mvp, you are right we will never quit, to us he is present day King of the Feathers until he is beaten, JMM the only other fighter who has a claim on this title did not beat him...

I am keenly waiting for the PAC-JMM II to finally put an end on this argument of present day King of the Feathers....

lolz how wrong was I back then, thinking PAC will stay at 126....

guys any chance of the current FW kings to be included on the top 10-20 ATG FW List? You see anyone staying their for keeps?

are you kidding me?

Top 3 All Time at 126

1. Willy pep
2. Sandy Saddler
3. Salvador Sanchez

Hamed is in the lower half of the top ten or 10-15 range

cosign. we have the same top 3