“Marquez wasn’t impressive. If Marquez fought like that [against Salido], he’s gonna go down again against me,” said Pacquiao, who knocked Marquez down three times in the first round but failed to finish off his Mexican opponent.

“I hope Juan Manuel doesn’t have any excuses this time and agrees to fight me so we could settle our score, once and for all,” Pacquiao said.

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I haven't watched the fight yet but I heard it was boring and people booed Marquez who was only counterpunching and Salido who was afraid to mix it up.

Anyway Manny is right, this time Marquez doesn't have any excuse anymore if he doesn't fight Manny.

well yeah but i dont think JMM was gonna take any risk in tis fight...he will come feb in the rematch..cuz why would JMM risk getting ko'ed against a nobody..instead if he gets ko'ed vs pac..it will be for a big pay day...JMM didnt wanna screw that up..come feb. or jan. whenever the fight is..dont worry will see a better JMM...look at hopkins preformance vs allen the third fight before the dlh fight...JMM will be in better shape and will box better with manny...he even went to war with salido a couple of time

second..when have u ever herd a fighter say to the man he will face..."yeah he really impressed me.."..come on pac is just maintaing that confidence which is what he will have to do..any word on pac fighting before that JMM rematch???????

well yeah but i dont think JMM was gonna take any risk in tis fight...he will come feb in the rematch..cuz why would JMM risk getting ko'ed against a nobody..instead if he gets ko'ed vs pac..it will be for a big pay day...JMM didnt wanna screw that up..come feb. or jan. whenever the fight is..dont worry will see a better JMM...look at hopkins preformance vs allen the third fight before the dlh fight...JMM will be in better shape and will box better with manny...he even went to war with salido a couple of time

second..when have u ever herd a fighter say to the man he will face..."yeah he really impressed me.."..come on pac is just maintaing that confidence which is what he will have to do..any word on pac fighting before that JMM rematch???????

Yeah, Pac said he was impressed by Barrera's TKO win over Ayala.
BTW: I heard that Pac's camp has something concrete and is expected to announce it next Monday. I guess that would be for the rubbermatch fight in November.

well yeah but i dont think JMM was gonna take any risk in tis fight...he will come feb in the rematch..cuz why would JMM risk getting ko'ed against a nobody..instead if he gets ko'ed vs pac..it will be for a big pay day...JMM didnt wanna screw that up..come feb. or jan. whenever the fight is..dont worry will see a better JMM...look at hopkins preformance vs allen the third fight before the dlh fight...JMM will be in better shape and will box better with manny...he even went to war with salido a couple of time

Well said i agree completely, it would have been very unfortunate to take a risk and lose to a nobody. Especially when his next fight against the Pacman is the fight of his career.

i actually enjoyed the fight. we are talking about salido not pac. salido brings a totally different fight to the ring than does the pac-man. and really i don't think he would, as said before want to take too many risks. i think more than anything he did like hopkins did. fooled everyone into thinking he doesn't have the fight in him anymore. i can't wait to see these two settle it once and for all. trust me, the jmm you'll see in the rematch will definately not be the one we saw saturday night.

“Marquez wasn’t impressive. If Marquez fought like that [against Salido], he’s gonna go down again against me,” said Pacquiao, who knocked Marquez down three times in the first round but failed to finish off his Mexican opponent.

“I hope Juan Manuel doesn’t have any excuses this time and agrees to fight me so we could settle our score, once and for all,” Pacquiao said.

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I haven't watched the fight yet but I heard it was boring and people booed Marquez who was only counterpunching and Salido who was afraid to mix it up.

Anyway Manny is right, this time Marquez doesn't have any excuse anymore if he doesn't fight Manny.


what excuses are you or pac talkin about? jmm is doin exactly what he said he was gonna do. SALIDO was big and could also take a punch, jmm landed many good punches in the fight but I do think it was boring. however the same shots that salidotook, pac didnt took them well in the first fight agaisnt marquez. its obvious that pac has power on his left but i doubt he has a strong chin or heart. the reason that i say that its cause pacs never been hurt badly in a fight and THEN adapt to it. peace

Seriously guys, I have barely seen JMM take risks during ANY of his fights. Plus his counterpunching style does not allow him to take any risk. At least IMO, being a risky fighter is somewhat letting it hang out and gambling that your punch would hurt more than your opponent's so you'd give and take. That was never JMM, is not him today, and never will be. I don't see any other way HOW he could have fought that fight aside from his counterpunching style (which I am not a fan of but that don't matter).

And big pappy, I disagree. I think what we saw in Sat is EXACTLY what we would see in the rematch. What else would be different? He'd be faster, better trained? He said it himself that he would never ever underestimate ANYBODY that includes Salido. He said in the post-fight interview with Merchant that he was only thinking of this fight and not beyond. Even brushed off the Pacquiao questions. So if he trained hard for this fight and also mentally focused, he should have looked better than he did. But maybe that's as good as he was gonna get and that my friend, just wouldn't cut it in a rematch with the Destroyer. He woudl get owned...

what excuses are you or pac talkin about? jmm is doin exactly what he said he was gonna do. SALIDO was big and could also take a punch, jmm landed many good punches in the fight but I do think it was boring. however the same shots that salidotook, pac didnt took them well in the first fight agaisnt marquez. its obvious that pac has power on his left but i doubt he has a strong chin or heart. the reason that i say that its cause pacs never been hurt badly in a fight and THEN adapt to it. peace

LOL!! You've seen what 2-3 Pac fights and all of the sudden you make that analysis?

Pac doesn't have a strong chin?
Did either one of the top mex fetherweights bring him down? even get a knockdown? No. Not MAB. Not Marquez. Both guys have knocked out a decent amount of fighters and couldn't bring Pacman down once. Doesn't that says something about Manny's chin??

Pac doesn't have heart? He's never been hurt in a fight then adapt to the style? LOL this one was the funniest.
He was knocked down and badly shooken up against Nedal Hussein. He got up and won the fight convingcingly.
Agapito Sanchez ****ed him up with headbutts and lowblows, still fought without complaints.
Not to mention the COUNTLESS wars that he's been in vs these Thais and Koreans.
His HEART and spirit beat Barrera, don't forget that.

See you haven't seen none of his previous fights. If you had, you wouldn't have made those statements. He's had 42 Pro fights, not 2. Get that straight.

Pacquiao will be very impress, when Marquez kicks his ass!

Pacquiao will be very impress, when Marquez kicks his ass!

Couldn't do it b4. Can't do it now. Can't do it ever! :)

Watch their fight again after the first round. Pac's wife enjoyed it. ;)

Watch their fight again after the first round. Pac's wife enjoyed it. ;)

No need. I saw it 7 times already. I saw Jinkee screamed. lol That was after Pac got caught with a right straight that snapped Pac's head back. After which he raises his hands and says I'm ok. I actually think he does this for his wife.

The reason that the fight looked as unimpressive as it did could possibly be because Salido is not as bad as we all assume. Salido did take some pretty solid shots and keep coming forward- maybe his chin was just one that was solid to the point that JMM could not get him out of their.

PS- Look behind Manny when they show him and you will see Turtle from 'Entourage' sitting behind his left shoulder.

The reason that the fight looked as unimpressive as it did could possibly be because Salido is not as bad as we all assume. Salido did take some pretty solid shots and keep coming forward- maybe his chin was just one that was solid to the point that JMM could not get him out of their.

PS- Look behind Manny when they show him and you will see Turtle from 'Entourage' sitting behind his left shoulder.

Who's Turtle? What's Entourage? I see a niiice white chick..Is taht turtle?

lol..turtle...?WTF....?lol..anyway..i dont think JMM will get served and get a ass wopping from pac again..if he does lose..even if its from a ko..JMM will make the rematch close...and it will be exciting...JMM will risk it all against pac if he gets dropped again..this guy has heart

The reason that the fight looked as unimpressive as it did could possibly be because Salido is not as bad as we all assume. Salido did take some pretty solid shots and keep coming forward- maybe his chin was just one that was solid to the point that JMM could not get him out of their.

PS- Look behind Manny when they show him and you will see Turtle from 'Entourage' sitting behind his left shoulder.


Common that fight is a sleeper. . . . that guy Salido has nothing to offer more than what he showed in that actual fight. Did you hear the booes from the crowd? :D . . . well this is not the first time that a JMM fight has been booed . . . and if he wants to get the respect of the boxing world he better start fighting worthy opponents . . . fight PACQUIAO to settle the score then go for MAB or Morales, Chi OR Harrison.

Marquez didn't impress Pacquiao or anybody else in that fight. Maybe ARUM and his family were. :D

hold on messed that last post up..i ment JMM WONT get his ass wooped by pac like so many think...and even if he does lose it wont be a one sided ass woopin...JMM has a lot of heart and i respect that guy..but thing is i respect manny also..but on this one i am going for JMM and hope he wins...manny has better things waiting for him when he goes up in weight anyway so even if he loses this fight it wont be it for manny

Manny will be 26 and JMM 31. Manny is faster stronger. We saw how JMM ate those 1-2 shots from Salido. He was missing his counters. The reason he won is cuz Salido stayed inside and got picked by combos.

Anywho, Manny KO 6. No more injuries, no more first round knockdowns, they both start from scratch. I pick the younger, faster, stronger, hungrier fighter. I pick Manny. How about you?

hold on messed that last post up..i ment JMM WONT get his ass wooped by pac like so many think...and even if he does lose it wont be a one sided ass woopin...JMM has a lot of heart and i respect that guy..but thing is i respect manny also..but on this one i am going for JMM and hope he wins...manny has better things waiting for him when he goes up in weight anyway so even if he loses this fight it wont be it for mannyPardon me, but I'm missing something here. Just because Pacman has a bright future, he will lose to Marquez in a rematch? Or, because he has a lot of heart, he will win over Manny? Heart is important; it plays a huge role. But if it were so that all it takes to win fights is heart, then Gatti, Ward and even Pacman couldn't have had tasted any Loss.

I don't know about you guys, I think Pac has one of the biggest hearts in boxing. He just didn't get a chance to show it in N.A yet. I'm sold since I saw a lot of his fighst early in his caree. Boy don't give up.

Of course Pacquiao is gonna say he is not impressed. He doesnt feel like promoting him for nothing. As an example when Pacquiao thought he was gonna fight Barrera again and Barrera had just beat a old, slow, and no longer Hungry ayala. Pacquiao said he was impressed. Promotions = Money.

Pacquiao will be very impress, when Marquez kicks his ass!If there's any ass kicking to be done (and there has to be), it will be Pacman who will be doing it. That ballroom dance with Salido shows Marquez cannot handle a two-fisted Pacman. Who has JMM beaten anyway? An old Medina, whose only gift at this stage is his inability to go away for good (SEE Medina-Harrison I which was fought after Medina met Marquez) and a Gainer whose performance had started to visibly deteriorate even before they met? Pacman's mistake, compounded by the sore left hand and the blister, was that he appeared to have relied too much on a single left straight to put Marquez away in their first fight. If he meets Marquez again, he'll be two-fisted. We saw how he can be an awesome perpetual punching machine in Pacquiao-Barrera and we saw the result. I'm underwhelmed by the prospect of a Pacman-Marquez meeting; seeing it now (after Marquez-Salido) as a minor pitstop for Manny. Bring on Morales! :D

Of course Pacquiao is gonna say he is not impressed. He doesnt feel like promoting him for nothing. As an example when Pacquiao thought he was gonna fight Barrera again and Barrera had just beat a old, slow, and no longer Hungry ayala. Pacquiao said he was impressed. Promotions = Money.Quick study,, that country bumpkin from a third- world country named Pacman, ain't he?! :rolleyes:

If there's any ass kicking to be done (and there has to be), it will be Pacman who will be doing it. That ballroom dance with Salido shows Marquez cannot handle a two-fisted Pacman. Who has JMM beaten anyway? An old Medina, whose only gift at this stage is his inability to go away for good (SEE Medina-Harrison I which was fought after Medina met Marquez) and a Gainer whose performance had started to visibly deteriorate even before they met? Pacman's mistake, compounded by the sore left hand and the blister, was that he appeared to have relied too much on a single left straight to put Marquez away in their first fight. If he meets Marquez again, he'll be two-fisted. We saw how he can be an awesome perpetual punching machine in Pacquiao-Barrera and we saw the result. I'm underwhelmed by the prospect of a Pacman-Marquez meeting; seeing it now (after Marquez-Salido) as a minor pitstop for Manny. Bring on Morales! :D

Hey grayfist, gimme yer in dept analysis of a Morales-Pacman matchup.

LOL!! You've seen what 2-3 Pac fights and all of the sudden you make that analysis?

Pac doesn't have a strong chin?
Did either one of the top mex fetherweights bring him down? even get a knockdown? No. Not MAB. Not Marquez. Both guys have knocked out a decent amount of fighters and couldn't bring Pacman down once. Doesn't that says something about Manny's chin??

Pac doesn't have heart? He's never been hurt in a fight then adapt to the style? LOL this one was the funniest.
He was knocked down and badly shooken up against Nedal Hussein. He got up and won the fight convingcingly.
Agapito Sanchez ****ed him up with headbutts and lowblows, still fought without complaints.
Not to mention the COUNTLESS wars that he's been in vs these Thais and Koreans.
His HEART and spirit beat Barrera, don't forget that.

See you haven't seen none of his previous fights. If you had, you wouldn't have made those statements. He's had 42 Pro fights, not 2. Get that straight.

These people prolly haven't seen a lot of Korean and Thai fighters that's why they tend to underestimate them. These boxers are martial artists and serious fighters in their own right. Manny had been at wars with a lot of Korean and Thai fighters and showed a lot of heart at fighting them earlier in his career. Manny is a real warrior who will fight anybody, anytime and anywhere. This Pacman guy has "NO FEAR" at all!

These people prolly haven't seen a lot of Korean and Thai fighters that's why they tend to underestimate them. These boxers are martial artists and serious fighters in their own right. Manny had been at wars with a lot of Korean and Thai fighters and showed a lot of heart at fighting them earlier in his career. Manny is a real warrior who will fight anybody, anytime and anywhere. This Pacman guy has "NO FEAR" at all!

It's insane how much punches are thrown and recieved in these matches. They aint much boxers (boxing I mean) but they are certified warriors. Almost every match up looks to be Hagler-Hearns remake. And fighst would generally last 4-5 rounds.

Hey grayfist, gimme yer in dept analysis of a Morales-Pacman matchup.Thanks for the trust, mOOks, but can I save it for the time when the match is announced? I'm waiting for another Morales appearance (prolly, Morales-Barrera) before I put out... If it's ok with you, pal. :)

sure no probs, I'll hold out mine also until after the MAB-Morales. I wanan see how he fares again against feathers.

It's insane how much punches are thrown and recieved in these matches. They aint much boxers (boxing I mean) but they are certified warriors. Almost every match up looks to be Hagler-Hearns remake. And fighst would generally last 4-5 rounds.

It's like hell fighting these guys dude. They are like "possessed" whenever they fight and they fight to the finish. Being the best warrior is a big tradition in most Asia countries that's why most martial arts started there. Bushido even professes that defeat is worse than death. They rather die than live in shame for the rest of their life. Not a classic chicken, if you ask me (lol)!!!

sure no probs, I'll hold out mine also until after the MAB-Morales. I wanan see how he fares again against feathers.Thanx Buddy :)

It's like hell fighting these guys dude. They are like "possessed" whenever they fight and they fight to the finish. Being the best warrior is a big tradition in most Asia countries that's why most martial arts started there. Bushido even professes that defeat is worse than death. They rather die than live in shame for the rest of their life. Not a classic chicken, if you ask me (lol)!!!"chicken" just reminds me...Where's evosbm? :)

It's like hell fighting these guys dude. They are like "possessed" whenever they fight and they fight to the finish. Being the best warrior is a big tradition in most Asia countries that's why most martial arts started there. Bushido even professes that defeat is worse than death. They rather die than live in shame for the rest of their life. Not a classic chicken, if you ask me (lol)!!!

What Manny went through in those fights is what makes me believe that no boxer in his weight class can stand toe to toe with this guy. Your right, it is hell fighting those guys. And Manny walked through hell and now he's bringing hell to his opponents!

"chicken" just reminds me...Where's evosbm? :)

Yeah, it's very non-evobosm like without him in these Pac threads, isn't it? it's only a day and grayfist misses evo already (LOL) ;)

Yeah, it's very non-evobosm like without him in these Pac threads, isn't it? it's only a day and grayfist misses evo already (LOL) ;)Right! ;) cross? :)

Pacquiao will be very impress, when Marquez kicks his ass!


And when do you think that will happen? I can't wait :D . . . that's going to remain in your dreams . . . until JMM deides to sign the dotted line against Pacquiao.

when has manny showed heart..he comes in a fights true thats a fighter...but i have not seen manny pick himself of that mat 3 times and come back to win like about 9 or 10 rounds of a boxing fight after losing the first two rounds

when has manny showed heart..he comes in a fights true thats a fighter...but i have not seen manny pick himself of that mat 3 times and come back to win like about 9 or 10 rounds of a boxing fight after losing the first two roundsHe hadn't had to pick himself up the mat three times because he didn't fall three times in one round, or in one whole fight! He did pick himself up after falling once, on two different occassions... He tasted the best that both Barrera and Marquez can dish out and he didn't even stagger, which is a statement that can not be said of both Barrera and Marquez when Pacman hit them.
addendum: Morales never knocked Barrera down, did he? How many times was it that Barrera visited the canvass in front of Pac?

excactly what i just said we know the man can fight..but we have not seen his heart(cuz he has not been down)..so its hard to tell...you cant just say mannt hasw heart he has not shown it..i am nto saying he doesnt have it tho...

and its not immpossible the he may nto have heart..look a tyson..he's what pac is now...ko'ing ppl left and right..has trouble with fighters that box well...and tyson had no heart again i am not saying manny does not..i am just saying we have not seen it

when has manny showed heart..he comes in a fights true thats a fighter...but i have not seen manny pick himself of that mat 3 times and come back to win like about 9 or 10 rounds of a boxing fight after losing the first two rounds

1)To say that he won 9-10 rounds would have given Marquez about a 116-110 score. Everyone saw a close fight, so how is it that you scored it lopsided for Marquez, considering he was down 4 points after 2 rounds?

2)How many Pacquiao fights have you watched to say that he never showed heart? Heck, MAB match should have been enough. But seriously, how many?

YOU haven'nt seen his heart yet. Pac fans has.

3)If you have to pick yourself up 3 times in a boxing match and "win 9-10 rounds" to show heart, please tell me another boxer that has heart(who picked themselves up 3 times and win teh next 9-10 rounds)?

Please eanswer my questions Hurlex, I'm very very curious :o

Well said i agree completely, it would have been very unfortunate to take a risk and lose to a nobody. Especially when his next fight against the Pacman is the fight of his career.

damn! i guess that explains why he refused to face Pacman first and take Salido. JMM would not want to risk to a nobody? i guess that statement would only come from a a fighter who lacks "confidence" (not over confidence) in his capability. you said it your self, his opponent is nobody and yet he's not sure if he'll realy beat the guy with his style. that's a poor fighter!

"chicken" just reminds me...Where's evosbm? :)
sorry man, been busy lately. i've seen BH-DLH fight but i missed JMM-Salido. according to everyone who saw the fight whether inclined or not to boxing, they all said it was sooooooo boring! JMM fans said JMM doesnt want to risk it with a nobody and was just being careful. man, they said it themselves, the opponent was nobody! what do you call a guy who fears he might lose with a NOBODY?.... i wonder :rolleyes:

1)To say that he won 9-10 rounds would have given Marquez about a 116-110 score. Everyone saw a close fight, so how is it that you scored it lopsided for Marquez, considering he was down 4 points after 2 rounds?

2)How many Pacquiao fights have you watched to say that he never showed heart? Heck, MAB match should have been enough. But seriously, how many?

YOU haven'nt seen his heart yet. Pac fans has.

3)If you have to pick yourself up 3 times in a boxing match and "win 9-10 rounds" to show heart, please tell me another boxer that has heart(who picked themselves up 3 times and win teh next 9-10 rounds)?

Please eanswer my questions Hurlex, I'm very very curious :o
now that's what i say wisdom. ;)

Of course Pacquiao is gonna say he is not impressed. He doesnt feel like promoting him for nothing. As an example when Pacquiao thought he was gonna fight Barrera again and Barrera had just beat a old, slow, and no longer Hungry ayala. Pacquiao said he was impressed. Promotions = Money.

Everytime the Pacman speaks is like promoting himself. Therefore,it doesn't matter to him what he says about a particular boxer or a particular fight. Any fighter that he mentions gets a free promotion. Pacquiao said that because HE WASNT IMPRESSED BY PACQUIAO, plain and simple.

I'm still amazed at how a simple remark can have a gazillion meaning to many people.

sorry man, been busy lately. i've seen BH-DLH fight but i missed JMM-Salido. according to everyone who saw the fight whether inclined or not to boxing, they all said it was sooooooo boring! JMM fans said JMM doesnt want to risk it with a nobody and was just being careful. man, they said it themselves, the opponent was nobody! what do you call a guy who fears he might lose with a NOBODY?.... i wonder :rolleyes:

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Damn! mooks, what a fine avatar you got up there!!!

it was obviously a fight he just needed to win and didnt care in what fashion it was exciting or not
personaly i enjoyed
what great combinations
strong hits from both hands
it may not have been very competitive
but i liked it
besides no ones mentioning dats just how he fights
the first round agaisnt pac he went down cuz he tryed 2 be the agressor just not his style
in the later rounds he returned to his countering with a lil agression
much like this fight
hes like hopkins he does what needs to be done
thats why he was always overshadowed by Morales and MAB

it was obviously a fight he just needed to win and didnt care in what fashion it was exciting or not
personaly i enjoyed
what great combinations
strong hits from both hands
it may not have been very competitive
but i liked it
besides no ones mentioning dats just how he fights
the first round agaisnt pac he went down cuz he tryed 2 be the agressor just not his style
in the later rounds he returned to his countering with a lil agression
much like this fight
hes like hopkins he does what needs to be done
thats why he was always overshadowed by Morales and MAB

JMM were missing his counters when Salido stepped out....
It's gonna be a very very interesting rematch. Personally I'm more excited about the day after rather than the fight. Guess why.

it was obviously a fight he just needed to win and didnt care in what fashion it was exciting or not
personaly i enjoyed
what great combinations
strong hits from both hands
it may not have been very competitive
but i liked it
besides no ones mentioning dats just how he fights
the first round agaisnt pac he went down cuz he tryed 2 be the agressor just not his style
in the later rounds he returned to his countering with a lil agression
much like this fight
hes like hopkins he does what needs to be done
thats why he was always overshadowed by Morales and MABGiving credit where credit is due, Marquez is one of the best counter-punchers that has emerged in recent years; his record speaks eloquently of how much power is behind those counter-punches. Having said that, let me quickly add that counter-punchers throughout the ages ply their trade on the basis of one dictum: "let the opponent bring the action to me." That being so, they focus on how and where they can hit their on-coming foe and less on avoiding the punches the foe is throwing. Marquez's continually bleeding nose in Pacquiao-Marquez, the three knockdowns in one round in the same fight, and the lump under Marquez's eye in Marquez-Salido are recent testimonials that not only can Marquez be hit, he can be hit BIG! The Pac knockdowns were not Marquez's firsts; he fell to lesser foes, previously. It is from these knockdowns that the legend of Marquez's great recuperative powers has been woven. He came back each time he fell, not the least of which were those in the Pacquiao fight. But what if Marquez gets hit by a real whammy! Pacquiao through much of each of rounds in their meeting devoted his efforts on doing that but never got to doing it. Salido, like Medina, Gainer and others, before them, doesn't have enough power to even merely contemplate the possibility of doing that. Nonetheless, Salido showed how to open Marquez up: not the way Manny tried to do it-- setting up with a light jab for a left straight for which Marquez with his ring experience easily wises up to-- but to dish out a plethora of punches that not only takes Marquez out of any counter-punching rhythm but put Marquez back on his heels. Counter-punchers do not punch effectively while backing up, with the exception of Ali whenever he went on a counter-punching mode in his prime. Barrera is also one of the best counter-punchers. But when he was taken off his rhythm and overwhelmed by Pacman's punches, he cracked. Notice how he insisted to the ringside doc that the fight should be stopped because of his cut? First time ever I saw Barrera craving to get out of the ring fast! His mind was scanning for excuses-- "honorable" ways out-- instead of solving the pressing Pacquiao problem he was facing. Barrera had brain surgery in 1997; was this why he was worried and wanted that quick, albeit, "honorable" exit? Whatever the reason, the fight showed that Pacquiao's hand speed, footwork quickness, menu of punches (if he uses it instead of relying too much on a jab-straight combo) and power, combined, can mean "lights out!" for an excellent counter-puncher such as Marquez, as they meant to Barrera. As for Morales, of the three M's, he has the best jab and he is not shy about using it extensively and well when opportunity presents itself. Barrera's jab which he used against Hamed went on leave in the Pacquiao fight. Marquez just waited for the chance to counter. Will Morales jab Pacquiao silly before dishing out his best? If he does can Paquiao get past the Morales jab? He'll try, I'm sure; but can he? The jab can be what would dictate the character of the fight. Maybe Manny should replace that often pawing jab of his with something a bit more telling. As for defense, Manny showed in the Barrera fight that he can shoulder roll; not as well as the best exponents of that skill but well enough. With Marquez, that shoulder roll was invisible. Freddie Roach is in for some real work.

Pacquiao is just being honest, JMM-Salido is a sleeper, unlike the MAB-Ayala fight which was a lot more action packed. JMM style is always boring, he's always waiting for the other guy to initiate the action and if the other guy doesnt have the guts to commit, the fight deteriorates into a dancing match.

Excellent post there grayfist.

Counter-punchers do not punch effectively while backing up.

Giving credit where credit is due, Marquez is one of the best counter-punchers that has emerged in recent years; his record speaks eloquently of how much power is behind those counter-punches. Having said that, let me quickly add that counter-punchers throughout the ages ply their trade on the basis of one dictum: "let the opponent bring the action to me." That being so, they focus on how and where they can hit their on-coming foe and less on avoiding the punches the foe is throwing. Marquez's continually bleeding nose in Pacquiao-Marquez, the three knockdowns in one round in the same fight, and the lump under Marquez's eye in Marquez-Salido are recent testimonials that not only can Marquez be hit, he can be hit BIG! The Pac knockdowns were not Marquez's firsts; he fell to lesser foes, previously. It is from these knockdowns that the legend of Marquez's great recuperative powers has been woven. He came back each time he fell, not the least of which were those in the Pacquiao fight. But what if Marquez gets hit by a real whammy! Pacquiao through much of each of rounds in their meeting devoted his efforts on doing that but never got to doing it. Salido, like Medina, Gainer and others, before them, doesn't have enough power to even merely contemplate the possibility of doing that. Nonetheless, Salido showed how to open Marquez up: not the way Manny tried to do it-- setting up with a light jab for a left straight for which Marquez with his ring experience easily wises up to-- but to dish out a plethora of punches that not only takes Marquez out of any counter-punching rhythm but put Marquez back on his heels. Counter-punchers do not punch effectively while backing up, with the exception of Ali whenever he went on a counter-punching mode in his prime. Barrera is also one of the best counter-punchers. But when he was taken off his rhythm and overwhelmed by Pacman's punches, he cracked. Notice how he insisted to the ringside doc that the fight should be stopped because of his cut? First time ever I saw Barrera craving to get out of the ring fast! His mind was scanning for excuses-- "honorable" ways out-- instead of solving the pressing Pacquiao problem he was facing. Barrera had brain surgery in 1997; was this why he was worried and wanted that quick, albeit, "honorable" exit? Whatever the reason, the fight showed that Pacquiao's hand speed, footwork quickness, menu of punches (if he uses it instead of relying too much on a jab-straight combo) and power, combined, can mean "lights out!" for an excellent counter-puncher such as Marquez, as they meant to Barrera. As for Morales, of the three M's, he has the best jab and he is not shy about using it extensively and well when opportunity presents itself. Barrera's jab which he used against Hamed went on leave in the Pacquiao fight. Marquez just waited for the chance to counter. Will Morales jab Pacquiao silly before dishing out his best? If he does can Paquiao get past the Morales jab? He'll try, I'm sure; but can he? The jab can be what would dictate the character of the fight. Maybe Manny should replace that often pawing jab of his with something a bit more telling. As for defense, Manny showed in the Barrera fight that he can shoulder roll; not as well as the best exponents of that skill but well enough. With Marquez, that shoulder roll was invisible. Freddie Roach is in for some real work.

wtf i read the beginin of your post but didnt feel like readen your whole book
it seems like u think i was taken credit from marquez?
if anythin i defended him
his style works altho many people felt he should be more agressive its just not his style
all i was sayin
i was the one that brought up that the fight i watched i thouroly enjopyed watching as he hit those nice combos

u should work on your summurazation skills
give the reader what is necessary
lol learned dat in my english101 class today
and dey say college is a waste

Excellent post there grayfist.

Counter-punchers do not punch effectively while backing up.Thanks! That # on your avatar! She's something! :)

good post grayfist. I even took out my dictionary lol.

wtf i read the beginin of your post but didnt feel like readen your whole book
it seems like u think i was taken credit from marquez?
if anythin i defended him
his style works altho many people felt he should be more agressive its just not his style
all i was sayin
i was the one that brought up that the fight i watched i thouroly enjopyed watching as he hit those nice combosI was not saying you were not giving Marquez the credit he deserves. All I tried to say was, on top of your observations, I raised Marquez's skills to the level where I view him as one of today's best counter-punchers. Then I added my observations about counter-punchers, both in general terms and in regard to Marquez. Hope that helps. :)

Excellent post there grayfist.

Counter-punchers do not punch effectively while backing up.

WTF!!!

is he foreal?

yeah I guess Pernell Whitiker's punches were had no effect on his oponents and the same with that Ali guy.

u should work on your summurazation skills
give the reader what is necessary
lol learned dat in my english101 class today
and dey say college is a wasteI must confess that my communications skills are all works in progress. I'll take your advice as I have taken similar ones before. And, yes, good for you! You learned something in your class today! Try to show it next time? :)

That Morales' jab is what makes me 50/50. Morales has the ability to dictate the distance in a fight. I'm counting on those occassions on where Morales would drop the jab to mount offence and when he does I'm gambling that Pac's experience in wars, his strength and superior hand speed can damage Morales enough to take the fight. When Morales, is backed in the ropes, when it is believed he is most ineffective, Pac can take it to him. Both have power, both have chin but I think speed would win the fight.

WTF!!!

is he foreal?

yeah I guess Pernell Whitiker's punches were had no effect on his oponents and the same with that Ali guy.I mentioned Ali as an exception. I apologize for forgetting Pernell! There could be a few more who are and who were effective. Those were and are special people. There were and are precious few of them. :)

I must confess that my communications skills are all works in progress. I'll take your advice as I have taken similar ones before. And, yes, good for you! You learned something in your class today! Try to show it next time? :)

ok so ur agreed with me
ahh ok my bad
ya i noticed most your post are extremely long
but as i read them they were good
its just some times i dont feel like readen long posts
im sure most people can relate
i always learn and show it
next lesson is on descriptive essays
so look for my post to become excruciatingly detailed and vivid with words that will tingle all 6 of your senses
the 6th is your boxing sense which seems like most people on here were blessed with

That Morales' jab is what makes me 50/50. Morales has the ability to dictate the distance in a fight. I'm counting on those occassions on where Morales would drop the jab to mount offence and when he does I'm gambling that Pac's experience in wars, his strength and superior hand speed can damage Morales enough to take the fight. When Morales, is backed in the ropes, when it is believed he is most ineffective, Pac can take it to him. Both have power, both have chin but I think speed would win the fight.Yeah! But, make that AND, because of those things you pointed out, it's gonna be something to look forward to with bated breath! :) :) :)

ok so ur agreed with me
ahh ok my bad
ya i noticed most your post are extremely long
but as i read them they were good
its just some times i dont feel like readen long posts
im sure most people can relate
i always learn and show it
next lesson is on descriptive essays
so look for my post to become excruciatingly detailed and vivid with words that will tingle all 6 of your senses
the 6th is your boxing sense which seems like most people on here were blessed withI've had really, really short posts each consisting of smilies and a single word. I've had posts with three words. I checked my previous posts, and found I've posted, all together, 7 long ones of the over a hundred that I've done. That's less than 7%. If that's too much for you, I'll try to be a bit more circumspect next time. As for your promised demo of the craft you're learning in school, I'm sure there are many who are on line now who, like me, are eager to see it. To us, soon won't be soon enough. :)I am aware that I am not as gifted as others here are re boxing; as I am less gifted with respect to many, many other things. But I was merely putting forward my thoughts on certain issues, thinking that the forum pages were there for the purpose of allowing nuts like me a chance to air our opinions. It seems you think that is wrong. So, pray tell, what is this forum for? :)

WTF!!!

is he foreal?

yeah I guess Pernell Whitiker's punches were had no effect on his oponents and the same with that Ali guy.


Well, yeah Pernell's in the except column and Marquez isn't exactly a Whitaker. :rolleyes: And about Ali i'd like to include him in the except column but, he looks effective against slow-moving mastodons. :eek:

Thanks! That # on your avatar! She's something! :)

grayfist, meet Thai actress and supermodel Methinee Kingpayome ;)

I've had really, really short posts each consisting of smilies and a single word. I've had posts with three words. I checked my previous posts, and found I've posted, all together, 7 long ones of the over a hundred that I've done. That's less than 7%. If that's too much for you, I'll try to be a bit more circumspect next time. As for your promised demo of the craft you're learning in school, I'm sure there are many who are on line now who, like me, are eager to see it. To us, soon won't be soon enough. :)I am aware that I am not as gifted as others here are re boxing; as I am less gifted with respect to many, many other things. But I was merely putting forward my thoughts on certain issues, thinking that the forum pages were there for the purpose of allowing nuts like me a chance to air our opinions. It seems you think that is wrong. So, pray tell, what is this forum for? :)

keep posting grayfist, it's like reading articles for me its good. better than the same old crap that we post sometimes, stating the obvious. Your opinion is explained and well argued. keep it up

god when the guys from Asia try and be funny it just comes off so bad.

what do you think counterpunchers do? they fight going backwards and let there guy come to them. Obviously this has been effective for Marquez or he would not have gotten this far in his career.

I've had really, really short posts each consisting of smilies and a single word. I've had posts with three words. I checked my previous posts, and found I've posted, all together, 7 long ones of the over a hundred that I've done. That's less than 7%. If that's too much for you, I'll try to be a bit more circumspect next time. As for your promised demo of the craft you're learning in school, I'm sure there are many who are on line now who, like me, are eager to see it. To us, soon won't be soon enough. :)I am aware that I am not as gifted as others here are re boxing; as I am less gifted with respect to many, many other things. But I was merely putting forward my thoughts on certain issues, thinking that the forum pages were there for the purpose of allowing nuts like me a chance to air our opinions. It seems you think that is wrong. So, pray tell, what is this forum for? :)

this forum is for me to enjoy and only i
there is that what u wanted to hear?
u have over 100 postS?
really i dont think i ever noticed you b4 the new site format
im not doubtin you but i dont ever recall you
what was your old avatar maybe thatll jog my memory

this forum is for me to enjoy and only i
there is that what u wanted to hear?
u have over 100 postS?
really i dont think i ever noticed you b4 the new site format
im not doubtin you but i dont ever recall you
what was your old avatar maybe thatll jog my memoryI have no avatars, never did, don't have plans of having any; not creative enough. I enjoy the most of the ones I see on this pages though. And yes I've joined only a few days ago. Right before re-format. If you care to look where one must look to find out how many posts a member has, you would find out exactly how many I have done. If this forum is here for you to enjoy and only you, that means the rest of us at your service. :)

god when the guys from Asia try and be funny it just comes off so bad.

what do you think counterpunchers do? they fight going backwards and let there guy come to them. Obviously this has been effective for Marquez or he would not have gotten this far in his career.The better ones slip punches to counter. As for "Asians" trying to be funny, I'll :) not take the bait.

keep posting grayfist, it's like reading articles for me its good. better than the same old crap that we post sometimes, stating the obvious. Your opinion is explained and well argued. keep it upThanks, Buddy. I'll try. But, these are just some of those slow days that I'm having right now. Real life can pick up again before I know it (Boy, I sure hope it does!). You know, just found some time in the past few days to play... :)

grayfist, meet Thai actress and supermodel Methinee Kingpayome ;)Oh! Sorry for the delayed response! Just had to take a call. She's looovely! :)

Well, yeah Pernell's in the except column and Marquez isn't exactly a Whitaker. :rolleyes: And about Ali i'd like to include him in the except column but, he looks effective against slow-moving mastodons. :eek: :D Ali though has been credited by most as the first Heavyweight to consistently display power in his counters while backing-up. :)

good post grayfist. I even took out my dictionary lol.Thanks again , Pal! :) Sorry to bother you with the words? :o :)

I have no avatars, never did, don't have plans of having any; not creative enough. I enjoy the most of the ones I see on this pages though. And yes I've joined only a few days ago. Right before re-format. If you care to look where one must look to find out how many posts a member has, you would find out exactly how many I have done. If this forum is here for you to enjoy and only you, that means the rest of us at your service. :)

eggsmackly
now your getting it
lol but you all will have a chance to air your opinions
you just have to submit them to me first so that they may be approved or denied
just a hint of sarcasm here

Excellent post there grayfist.

Counter-punchers do not punch effectively while backing up.

excelllent avatar there bro. :D

Pacquiao will definitely TKO Marquez next time they'll meet again!!!

Pacquiao will definitely TKO Marquez next time they'll meet again!!!


Everybody knows that including JMM himself . . . team JMM's latest action will justify that, but NO they won't admit it. :D And JMM nuthuggers won't acknowledge the fact that their idol doesn't have the balls to fight Pac again. Pathetic people :p

Everybody knows that including JMM himself . . . team JMM's latest action will justify that, but NO they won't admit it. :D And JMM nuthuggers won't acknowledge the fact that their idol doesn't have the balls to fight Pac again. Pathetic people :p
LOL! :D you're right. i dont have to add up to it. JMM himself justified that. :D

god when the guys from Asia try and be funny it just comes off so bad.

what do you think counterpunchers do? they fight going backwards and let there guy come to them. Obviously this has been effective for Marquez or he would not have gotten this far in his career.

and why are you so serious most of the time? fyi, i've never seen a good comic from latin america as well. :rolleyes:

and why are you so serious most of the time? fyi, i've never seen a good comic from latin america as well. :rolleyes:
but good **** though. LOL! :D

what excuses are you or pac talkin about? jmm is doin exactly what he said he was gonna do. SALIDO was big and could also take a punch, jmm landed many good punches in the fight but I do think it was boring. however the same shots that salidotook, pac didnt took them well in the first fight agaisnt marquez. its obvious that pac has power on his left but i doubt he has a strong chin or heart. the reason that i say that its cause pacs never been hurt badly in a fight and THEN adapt to it. peace
pac has been hurt serously and has been knockedout...

Marquez, IMO, was only outclassed in that hellacious 1st round. I think he tried slugging it out with Pac and came out on the losing end. But the tough son of a ***** gets up time after time. After that round you could see a major difference in JMM. He quickly adapted to Pac's swarming style and began counterpunching the **** out of him, winning basically every round after that. Marquez in that fight convinced me that he is the far more intelligent fighter because Manny could not do the same and successfully adapt to JMM's style. Manny is too one-dimensional sometimes and it's gonna come back to bite him in the ass next time he fights JMM or any other fighter with superior intelligence.