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MetalVomit

12-10-2006, 04:49 PM

Jay-Z, all this Nas (hip hop dead) **** wouldnt exist.....lol....call me a liar..

Face it playaz, Nas is a sometiming ass rapper...sometimes you get a hit, sometimes you dont....

What do you call his career prior to signing on to Def Jam? He existed before Jay-Z, and will exist after Jay-Z.Nas could have easily made this album on Columbia, they let him do whatever the hell he wanted. Why? Because he was successful, all of his albums aside from Nastradamus were critically acclaimed, and Jay-Z had nothing to do with any of them, except for Hip Hop is Dead. Jay-Z didnt tell Nas how to feel, or how to make an album. If he did, Jay's new one wouldnt have been weaker than Hip Hop is Dead.

MetalVomit

12-10-2006, 04:54 PM

yep.he needs help from another big rapper to make some money(a rapper that he couldnt stand before) I smell a sell out.seems like some1 needed another huge name to make sure his stuff can sell since the south has took over.

You dont have to 'sell out' when you are already selling records making the kind of music that means something to you(which is what Nas has been doing since like '93)

http://www*****.com/news/stories/4609.html

"Hip-Hop Is Dead will be the follow-up to 2004's Streets Disciple, which has sold 694,000 copies in the US, according to Nielsen SoundScan. In his 11 years with Columbia, Nas' catalog has sold 12 million units." Again, how can he 'sell out' by signing with Def Jam if A.he isnt changing up his style in an effort to sell more, and B.he's already sold over 10 million records by doing his own thing for over a decade?

Versastyle

12-10-2006, 04:55 PM

You dont have to 'sell out' when you are already selling records making the kind of music that means something to you(which is what Nas has been doing since like '93)

http://www*****.com/news/stories/4609.html

"Hip-Hop Is Dead will be the follow-up to 2004's Streets Disciple, which has sold 694,000 copies in the US, according to Nielsen SoundScan. In his 11 years with Columbia, Nas' catalog has sold 12 million units." Again, how can he 'sell out' by signing with Def Jam if A.he isnt changing up his style in an effort to sell more, and B.he's already sold over 10 million records by doing his own thing for over a decade?

i dont care about all of that. why did he have to team up with jay to make his album. i never saw 2pac team up with biggie.ahaha.

MetalVomit

12-10-2006, 04:58 PM

i dont care about all of that. why did he have to team up with jay to make his album. i never saw 2pac team up with biggie.ahaha.

Before 2pac died, he had planned to 'team up' with Bone Thugs, BCC(east coast hip hop crew) and a few others ahahahaha. 2pac and BIG didnt have a chance to squash their beef. Jay and Nas did.Nas didnt have to team up with Jay, he chose to. He can't be called a sell-out, when he's not changing up his style in exchange for selling more records. He doesnt need to be on Def Jam, he doesnt need Jay-Z, obviously, because he sold over 10 million albums without Jay-Z.

jack_the_rippuh

12-10-2006, 05:00 PM

What do you call his career prior to signing on to Def Jam? He existed before Jay-Z, and will exist after Jay-Z.Nas could have easily made this album on Columbia, they let him do whatever the hell he wanted. Why? Because he was successful, all of his albums aside from Nastradamus were critically acclaimed, and Jay-Z had nothing to do with any of them, except for Hip Hop is Dead. Jay-Z didnt tell Nas how to feel, or how to make an album. If he did, Jay's new one wouldnt have been weaker than Hip Hop is Dead.

You dont have to 'sell out' when you are already selling records making the kind of music that means something to you(which is what Nas has been doing since like '93)

http://www*****.com/news/stories/4609.html

"Hip-Hop Is Dead will be the follow-up to 2004's Streets Disciple, which has sold 694,000 copies in the US, according to Nielsen SoundScan. In his 11 years with Columbia, Nas' catalog has sold 12 million units." Again, how can he 'sell out' by signing with Def Jam if A.he isnt changing up his style in an effort to sell more, and B.he's already sold over 10 million records by doing his own thing for over a decade?

i dont care about all of that. why did he have to team up with jay to make his album. i never saw 2pac team up with biggie.ahaha.

Fun stuff. Very fun.
One problem though, neither of them are as light skinned or as deadly on tracks as Clifford.

Versastyle

12-10-2006, 05:02 PM

Before 2pac died, he had planned to 'team up' with Bone Thugs, BCC(east coast hip hop crew) and a few others ahahahaha. 2pac and BIG didnt have a chance to squash their beef. Jay and Nas did.Nas didnt have to team up with Jay, he chose to. He can't be called a sell-out, when he's not changing up his style in exchange for selling more records. He doesnt need to be on Def Jam, he doesnt need Jay-Z, obviously, because he sold over 10 million albums without Jay-Z.

bone and 2pac did do a song together. but ne way why u keep talking about album sales they dont matter as u say.and no he's a sell out for teaming up with a successful pioneer that knew how to make good records and is well liked everywhere unlike nas.alot of ppl where im from arnt to fond of nas's boring style. u cant bass his **** and roll down the window,u gotta listen to that **** on the ipod and at home or playin madden

MetalVomit

12-10-2006, 05:04 PM

i never saw 2pac team up with biggie.ahaha.

http://home.att.net/~phosphor/albums/onemillion/1-9.html

"Track 2: "Runnin" was performed by Tupac Shakur, Notorious BIG, and Dramacydal. In a song about drug dealing and running from the police, we hear the following: "now we in a gunfight; I can shoot . . . at the devils, will die tonight." ":boxing:

bone and 2pac did do a song together. but ne way why u keep talking about album sales they dont matter as u say.and no he's a sell out for teaming up with a successful pioneer that knew how to make good records and is well liked everywhere unlike nas.alot of ppl where im from arnt to fond of nas's boring style. u cant bass his **** and roll down the window,u gotta listen to that **** on the ipod and at home or playin madden

Listen to "You Know My Style" by Nas, if you think you "cant bass his **** and roll down the window". Just because he joined forces with Jay-Z, doesnt mean he sold out. Nas will go nearly platinum or better because he's Nas, he doesnt need Jay-Z. I used the record sales quote, because you called him a sellout. Again, he's got no reason to even THINK about selling out when he's already sold over 10 million records doing his own thing.

Versastyle

12-10-2006, 05:05 PM

http://home.att.net/~phosphor/albums/onemillion/1-9.html

"Track 2: "Runnin" was performed by Tupac Shakur, Notorious BIG, and Dramacydal. In a song about drug dealing and running from the police, we hear the following: "now we in a gunfight; I can shoot . . . at the devils, will die tonight." ":boxing:

im pretty sure your smart enough to know i meant when they had beef and not before. cause every1 knows it was before when they were cool and made some songs

-Antonio-

12-10-2006, 05:08 PM

MetalVomit

12-10-2006, 05:11 PM

u cant bass his **** and roll down the window

just because I'm a nice guy, and even though you act like an ass sometimes when I just try to understand your logic by asking questions:

Nas-You Know My Style:
http://download.yousendit.com/6B1A6F3534880009

Don't try to tell me that this **** don't hit on a stereo system.

Versastyle

12-10-2006, 05:14 PM

just because I'm a nice guy, and even though you act like an ass sometimes when I just try to understand your logic by asking questions:

Nas-You Know My Style:
http://download.yousendit.com/6B1A6F3534880009

Don't try to tell me that this **** don't hit on a stereo system.

1 song isnt going to do it.if i see some *****'s and i wanna bass i dont wanna go threw his whole cd to find 1 ****in bass song.ahahaha

Tha Greatest

12-10-2006, 05:15 PM

Nas joined with Jay Z because he wanted to set a good example for everyone.

He did not team up because he couldn't sell records or make an album, you guys are ****ing haters.

I agree with every word of every post from Godzhand in this thread.

MetalVomit

12-10-2006, 05:18 PM

1 song isnt going to do it.if i see some *****'s and i wanna bass i dont wanna go threw his whole cd to find 1 ****in bass song.ahahaha

um, you wont have to go THROUGH his whole cd, that's why i just sent you the one song. :nonono:

Tha Greatest

12-10-2006, 05:19 PM

if u think he's king of the south then he's king of the south:rolleyes:

He's making money isn't he!?
Damn right he is.

I guess that makes him king.

He's probably riding lamborghinis, while you're still taking the bus.
That makes him the king.

sisforshaq

12-10-2006, 06:09 PM

1 song isnt going to do it.if i see some *****'s and i wanna bass i dont wanna go threw his whole cd to find 1 ****in bass song.ahahaha

Pumpin Bass filled music doesnt get women. If thats your approach to picking up girls, I think you need to get your mind back on track.

Nas is one of the most decorated Mc's of all time and what matters is substance, he will always be remembered in the music world as one of the best to ever do it. Having great production ontop of great lyrics, flow, and unqiue fresh style in my mind makes a great album. Yung Joc, do you honestly think he will be remembered? Its called a generic style. The south was fresh and original when dudes like Face and Outkast were releasing music we had not heard before and **** that was dope to play and enjoy. Majority of today's rappers from the South follow the same formula, get a southern based producer (Nitty ;example), layer the track with bass and talk about cash. While that may make a good club song, it doesnt really count as legimate great music. Do you know how many songs like that have been played and forgotten. Rick Ross, Lil Wayne, TI and Ludacris I think are the only dudes with fresh music from that region as of late.

Versastyle

12-10-2006, 06:12 PM

Pumpin Bass filled music doesnt get women. If thats your approach to picking up girls, I think you need to get your mind back on track.

Nas is one of the most decorated Mc's of all time and what matters is substance, he will always be remembered in the music world as one of the best to ever do it. Having great production ontop of great lyrics, flow, and unqiue fresh style in my mind makes a great album. Yung Joc, do you honestly think he will be remembered? Its called a generic style. The south was fresh and original when dudes like Face and Outkast were releasing music we had not heard before and **** that was dope to play and enjoy. Majority of today's rappers from the South follow the same formula, get a southern based producer (Nitty ;example), layer the track with bass and talk about cash. While that may make a good club song, it doesnt really count as legimate great music. Do you know how many songs like that have been played and forgotten. Rick Ross, Lil Wayne, TI and Ludacris I think are the only dudes with fresh music from that region as of late.

bass can get girls.ahaha as long as u have the car to go along with it.

and do i think young joc will be remembered? naw not really. but that shouldnt stop me from liking him music in which u guys dont get.and i dont like hearing the same style over and over. cant u guys enjoy that something new is coming to hiphop instead of hating it?

Versastyle

12-10-2006, 06:14 PM

He's making money isn't he!?
Damn right he is.

I guess that makes him king.

He's probably riding lamborghinis, while you're still taking the bus.
That makes him the king.

didnt say he was good michael jackson's son. i said he wasnt the king of the south. like chamillionaire says "get it right"

sisforshaq

12-10-2006, 06:59 PM

bass can get girls.ahaha as long as u have the car to go along with it.

and do i think young joc will be remembered? naw not really. but that shouldnt stop me from liking him music in which u guys dont get.and i dont like hearing the same style over and over. cant u guys enjoy that something new is coming to hiphop instead of hating it?

I said that in my post, It WAS fresh and new. Its played out now and just generic bull****, Im not hating on you or your taste in music Im just showing you there is more substance that truly made Hip Hop great and let these newer guys be what they choose to be.

Versastyle

12-10-2006, 07:27 PM

I said that in my post, It WAS fresh and new. Its played out now and just generic bull****, Im not hating on you or your taste in music Im just showing you there is more substance that truly made Hip Hop great and let these newer guys be what they choose to be.

but e.coast rap isnt all that original also. maybe its cause of there accents

The Fix

12-10-2006, 09:18 PM

Scarface retired. He's a nonfactor.

he put out his last solo....he is going to do more stuff with the product and is focusing more on production right now.

ROSEWOOD

12-11-2006, 05:28 PM

What did Jay-Z do to help him with Hip Hop is Dead? I dont understand.
Def Jam + Nas = Jay-Z

ROSEWOOD

12-11-2006, 05:40 PM

MetalVomit

12-11-2006, 10:01 PM

Playaz, Nas has indeed produced a few good albums in his day but in this day and age, Nas is way to serious for his listeners...Life stories dont cut it anymore...Listeners want wood wheels and grillz...you know...But then again, I truly believe he signed with jay because he know where the money was...Jay Z is money and Nas has money...big difference

Listeners want "wood wheels and grillz", only until something new catches their ear, then they want "that". Nas has been around for about 14 years, and it hasnt been because he's done what radio listeners want to hear. Nas didnt sign with Def Jam to sell more records, if that was the case, he would change up his subject matter, and rap about "wood wheels and grillz", in order to reach radio listeners. Now, since he didnt do that, which is evident upon listening to his new album, how can you possibly say it's for money? He didnt change his style to accomidate the listeners, he changed record labels, and did the exact same ****, music-wise, as his last 3 albums. And he'll still sell at least 500,000 copies, easy. Because of his new record label? No. Because of his fan base, who appreciate what he brings to the genre of Hip Hop.

res

12-11-2006, 11:48 PM

"If not for Jay Z there would be no Hip Hop Is dead". That has a double meaning to me. This may not be a popular idea but I contend that the South didn't kill Hip Hop...Jay Z did. The person that took up the mantle after Big and Pac died was going to determine the future of Hip Hop. nas appeared to be the rightful successor but he never claimed the throne. Jay stepped into the picture and after being unsuccessful with his only real album he decides he's going to have "dumb down for his audience to double his dollar" and commercialize. He brings in the era of "Cash Money and Hoes" most of the time with simple lyrics that anyone can catch. Jay z established the atmosphere for modern hip hop. Much of Southern rap could have never survived in the 94' -96' world of Nas, Biggie, 2pac and Common. Jay Z opened the door. Now because Jay's stuff may not be as bad as some of the stuff that has come as a result of him people somehow don't see the connection. Nas once told jay "you sold your soul for riches". Now Nas believes it dosen't matter...Hip Hop is dead. The only thing left he claims (as you may have seen on the interview from Hot 97 that i posted here) is to move to make money (sad). One day he suggests someone might come along that will revive hip hop but that is a long way off. So from this standpoint, he might as well hook up with jay (whom he accused of selling out long ago) Hip Hop is dead anyway and this move will make him even more high profile. Remember that Nas has not just signed up with a label but he's hooked up with jay on music collaborations and commerically in a way that connects them at the hip. If Jay Z was far more visible than Nas before it is inevitable that associating with jay in this way will radically increase nas' visibility. In my opinion jay Z killed hip Hop...the South is just cremating it.

ROSEWOOD

12-12-2006, 04:36 PM

Versastyle

12-12-2006, 04:38 PM

ROSEWOOD

12-12-2006, 05:10 PM

right right.if ppl arnt pleased with what the south is throwing out then turn off your tv's and radio.hiphop is hiphop.if u dont like it thats your opinion,but theres millions of other ppl that think different
20+ million that think different

Smokin'

12-12-2006, 09:01 PM

res

12-12-2006, 11:48 PM

In my opinion jay Z killed hip Hop...the South is just cremating it.

Killing it.....The South makes good music..club music..etc..if its not your cup of Tea then so be it playa...To say the South is cremating Hip Hop is just plain stupid but at the same time your opinion.....Hip Hop this Hip Hop that...music is music...whatever genre your prefer...

I didn't say the South was killing Hip Hop, In my original post i state outright that it did not kill hip hop. Cremation is what happens after something has already been killed (by something else). To tell you the truth i really wish i had another name for the music i'm talking about. It's stupid to speak of the "the south" as if all the music from there is the same. It also probably makes conversations like this much more heated than they need to be because when you talk about an entire region like that, people rightfully get upset about it.

RAESAAD

12-12-2006, 11:52 PM

Jay-Z, all this Nas (hip hop dead) **** wouldnt exist.....lol....call me a liar..

Face it playaz, Nas is a sometiming ass rapper...sometimes you get a hit, sometimes you dont....

I have no idea where you came up with this but I hardly think Jay has anything to do with Nas' thoughts when making this album...........but I can think of many southern rappers who may have inspired it.

Versastyle

12-13-2006, 12:11 AM

I didn't say the South was killing Hip Hop, In my original post i state outright that it did not kill hip hop. Cremation is what happens after something has already been killed (by something else). To tell you the truth i really wish i had another name for the music i'm talking about. It's stupid to speak of the "the south" as if all the music from there is the same. It also probably makes conversations like this much more heated than they need to be because when you talk about an entire region like that, people rightfully get upset about it.

isnt that the truth. reason why i say there stereotypers for those that say thats all the souths about pretty much. they shouldnt hate on a region if they havnt listened deep into there rappers as in underground labels and ppl thats just not getting radio play(smokin')

MetalVomit

12-13-2006, 11:06 PM

When I talk about the repetitiveness of what's on the radio these days, and that the majority of it is from The South, I'm not hating on the south, I'm hating on the repetitive bull**** that's on the radio, regardless of where it's from.

Versatile, I know I said I wasnt going to discuss this subject with you anymore, but how can you say:

isnt that the truth. reason why i say there stereotypers for those that say thats all the souths about pretty much. they shouldnt hate on a region if they havnt listened deep into there rappers as in underground labels and ppl thats just not getting radio play(smokin')

How can you say that(the bolded print), when you say the EXACT same **** about the East? You call me a stereotyper for hating on the RADIO(NOT THE SOUTH), when I already told you that I know that the south has more to offer than what's popular on the radio now. A while back, wasnt it you that didnt know who Cee-lo was? The only underground **** you listen to is from the South, so how can you talk the same **** Smokin did to you, about the East, or anywhere else, if you don't know about "deep into there rappers as in underground labels" from regions other than yours? You stereotyped the east, by complaining that all they do is talk about "their lives and what they went through". You shouldnt "hate on a region" if you "havent listened deep into there rappers as in underground labels and ppl that's just not getting radio play"

Versastyle

12-13-2006, 11:13 PM

When I talk about the repetitiveness of what's on the radio these days, and that the majority of it is from The South, I'm not hating on the south, I'm hating on the repetitive bull**** that's on the radio, regardless of where it's from.

Versatile, I know I said I wasnt going to discuss this subject with you anymore, but how can you say:

How can you say that(the bolded print), when you say the EXACT same **** about the East? You call me a stereotyper for hating on the RADIO(NOT THE SOUTH), when I already told you that I know that the south has more to offer than what's popular on the radio now. A while back, wasnt it you that didnt know who Cee-lo was? The only underground **** you listen to is from the South, so how can you talk the same **** Smokin did to you, about the East, or anywhere else, if you don't know about "deep into there rappers as in underground labels" from regions other than yours? You stereotyped the east, by complaining that all they do is talk about "their lives and what they went through". You shouldnt "hate on a region" if you "havent listened deep into there rappers as in underground labels and ppl that's just not getting radio play"

what it do godzhand:banana: and i only hated on the e.coast cause some of ya'll were saying the south talks about the same ****. so in other words i just retaliated

MetalVomit

12-13-2006, 11:19 PM

what it do godzhand:banana: and i only hated on the e.coast cause some of ya'll were saying the south talks about the same ****. so in other words i just retaliated

You did it when discussing with me as well. I wasnt insulting the South, and you still stereotyped the East. I'm not an "e.coast supporter", and just because an MC hates on the hip hop that gets played on the radio(see sig), it doesnt mean that they're hating on the south, nor does it mean they are an "e.coast supporter". By being closeminded like you are on the subject, you're missing out on a LOT of good hip hop, not just from the east, but the west, north, and midwest.

Versastyle

12-13-2006, 11:30 PM

You did it when discussing with me as well. I wasnt insulting the South, and you still stereotyped the East. I'm not an "e.coast supporter", and just because an MC hates on the hip hop that gets played on the radio(see sig), it doesnt mean that they're hating on the south, nor does it mean they are an "e.coast supporter". By being closeminded like you are on the subject, you're missing out on a LOT of good hip hop, not just from the east, but the west, north, and midwest.

the funny thing is. i listen to hiphop everywhere. but i got so tired of the south sucks talk. i decided to hate on it although i have a few of my favorite songs of all time come's outta the east

MetalVomit

12-13-2006, 11:33 PM

the funny thing is. i listen to hiphop everywhere. but i got so tired of the south sucks talk. i decided to hate on it although i have a few of my favorite songs of all time come's outta the east

which ones?

Versastyle

12-13-2006, 11:35 PM

which ones?

i like the u dont know remix by jay-z triumph by the wu-tang clan.victory by big,puff daddy,busta rhymes. just to name a few. i have alot more but i dont feel like thinking to hard.

MetalVomit

12-13-2006, 11:37 PM

i like the u dont know remix by jay-z triumph by the wu-tang clan.victory by big,puff daddy,busta rhymes. just to name a few. i have alot more but i dont feel like thinking to hard.

Have you ever heard Lords Of The Underground-Chief Rocka? That's some pure ****ing Hip Hop.

Versastyle

12-13-2006, 11:44 PM

Have you ever heard Lords Of The Underground-Chief Rocka? That's some pure ****ing Hip Hop.

gimme a link and i'll give my opinion

MetalVomit

12-13-2006, 11:54 PM

gimme a link and i'll give my opinion

This is the kind of **** that used to be on the radio, that brought hip hop to the mainstream in the late 80's-early 90's. That's why so many fans are sick of repetitive **** on the radiowaves nowadays. Then it was diverse, people trying to be unique, now it's people copying whatever the last man did that sold records:

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ROSEWOOD

12-14-2006, 12:12 AM

Have you ever heard Lords Of The Underground-Chief Rocka? That's some pure ****ing Hip Hop.
I am no fan of C. Rocka....If you feel he is hip hop then **** it..What is Hip Hop..no one really knows...De le Soul, most feel that type of music is considered hip hop...Wack ass Q-tip..****ers thought he was hip hop before he flipped the script..Jay Z & Nas, millions feel they are Hip Hop....Me personally, I feel hip hop = "good" music...

MetalVomit

12-14-2006, 12:26 AM

I am no fan of C. Rocka....If you feel he is hip hop then **** it.

LMAO. Chief Rocka is the name of a song, not a person.

Versastyle

12-14-2006, 12:26 AM

This is the kind of **** that used to be on the radio, that brought hip hop to the mainstream in the late 80's-early 90's. That's why so many fans are sick of repetitive **** on the radiowaves nowadays. Then it was diverse, people trying to be unique, now it's people copying whatever the last man did that sold records:

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third song was the best.the other 1s r way to lyrical for me. i like lyrics but its to much

MetalVomit

12-14-2006, 12:30 AM

Versastyle

12-14-2006, 12:35 AM

ROSEWOOD

12-14-2006, 11:43 AM

LMAO. Chief Rocka is the name of a song, not a person.
I thought Chief Rocka was that fat ****er from back in the game, whats his name??? I could have sworen it was C Rocka or is it Chub Rocka...I must be all ****ed up..

jspivey

12-14-2006, 11:52 AM

I thought Chief Rocka was that fat ****er from back in the game, whats his name??? I could have sworen it was C Rocka or is it Chub Rocka...I must be all ****ed up..

You might be thinking of chub rock.

ROSEWOOD

12-14-2006, 11:55 AM