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Daily Bread Mailbag: Canelo-Chavez, Wilder-Ortiz, Davis-Farmer

By Stephen "Breadman" Edward

The Daily Bread Mailbag returns with Stephen "Breadman" Edwards discussing topics such as Gervonta Davis vs. Tevin Famer, Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. vs. Saul "Canelo" Alvarez, Deontay Wilder vs. Luis Ortiz and more.

I think King Kong Ortiz destroys Wilder. What do you think of Ortiz signing with PBC? I think he was brought over to clean up the lot of average heavyweights because he’s the only one who can beat Joshua or Fury.

Bread’s Response: Ortiz is almost 40. Why do you think he’s being brought in to destroy the lot of average heavyweights? He just struggled with Malik Scott. Wilder stopped Scott in 1 round. I think your logic is way off.

Ortiz is definitely formidable. His power, southpaw stance, size and pedigree make him a tough out for anyone. But he looks to be aging. He just came up injured and he’s tested positive for PEDs in the past. No one seems to want to touch the PED subject with certain fighters…..If Ortiz faces Wilder he will be forced to take VADA. How do we know he’s going to look like King Kong under VADA testing? Say what you want about Wilder but he kos everybody under strict testing.

I’m not so sure Ortiz destroys Wilder at this moment. Let’s see how the next few months play out.

I know you are high on Gervonta Davis you were one of the few who picked him to beat Pedraza. Now Gervonta Davis vs Tevin Farmer is a barnburner. What a fight that will be!! Have you been following their internet beef? Does Philly and the DMV have a real rivalry? If so that should be a stacked card with Philly vs DMV fighters. How does it play out and who do you favor?

Bread’s Response: With the new MGM Grand in Maryland I can see that happening.

I’m not so sure it’s a huge rivalry between Philly and the DMV. But lots of times the best amateurs from each area have to face each other in tournaments. Both areas along with California, Michigan and Ohio produce the best fighters p4p in the country. …

As for the Davis vs Farmer fight I don’t follow internet beefs. But I do know that both talented kids want to face one another. If I’m not mistaken I think they both have fights coming up. So I think your matchmaking is a bit premature. Davis has to travel to the UK to defend his title. Traveling to an opponent’s back yard should never be taken for granted.

I am high on Gervonta Davis. I thought he would beat Pedraza and he did. He’s a real puncher and he has serious athleticism. Davis reminds me of a mix of Zab Judah and Mike Tyson. Of course not saying he’s as good as either. But I am equally as high on Tevin Farmer. Farmer has turned his career around as much as any fighter over the last few years. Farmer is not a big puncher, but he’s physically strong, his stamina is next level and he’s as pure a boxer as you would want to see. He’s not a runner, he’s a boxer.

I don’t want to break a fight down that hasn’t been made. But I will say a few things. If Gervonta Davis gives Farmer a shot then Davis deserves major props for being a real fighter. Not many people in boxing will give a dangerous kid like Farmer with 4 losses a shot unless he is a mandatory. Farmer is not Davis’s mandatory.

In this era you don’t see too many black fighters who start off with sub standard records get opportunities on the back end of their careers. Emanuel Augustus and Freddie Pendleton’s heydays were about 20 years ago. Some may bring up Glen Johnson but he started out 32-0. You just don’t see a kid like Farmer taking 4 losses and a draw early coming on 5 years later and getting a big opportunity. It’s a rarity. And it’s even more rare for it to be a Black American. I am as happy for Tevin Farmer as I have been any fighter in a very long time.

I think it’s a great hardcore fan friendly fight. Props to both kids for wanting it. Now let’s hope it happens. Just because they want to fight each other that doesn’t mean they will be allowed to fight each other. I hate to be a killjoy but boxing is a business. Let’s cross our fingers…

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Hey Breadman - I found myself giving Chavez Jr. a chance when it hit me that I'm buying the hype. When I think about it clearly I see Canelo stopping Chavez well before 10 rounds are complete. Chavez, like Riddick Bowe before him (in my opinion) has steadily lost the discipline needed to win big fights and they also lost the youth and and toughness God gave them by failing to train they way they know champions should train, and taking shots without proper acclimation .

How do you see this fight unfolding?

thanks!

Gabe in Prunedale

Bread’s Response: I think Canelo has a 70/30 chance to win. But Chavez is live. He has put together a knowledgeable and resourceful team around him in Memo Heredia, Nacho Beristain and his father.

The problem with Chavez as you stated is he sort of lost his way. If you carefully look at Chavez’s career it seems as though he peaked out against Andy Lee about 5 years ago. All of his performances since then have been meh.

Chavez has cheated the grind for so long. I think he will put his all into this fight because pride is a strong influence. At times it’s stronger than heart and discipline. It can be used in a positive manner. The problem is while he has been cheating the grind he has regressed so much…

But overall I think Canelo has not cheated the grind. While Chavez has progressively slipped over the last 5 years. Canelo has progressively improved. You add that to Canelo being more naturally talented and I think he will win an entertaining fight. I think Chavez will be a big, willing target. That’s a bad combination to be against Canelo who is the best power combination puncher in boxing.

If you could take parts of other active fighters and build a fighter what traits would you together to make him perfect. Physical and mental.

Bread’s Response: Great question. Ok let’s see….

First off I will start off with the mental and character aspect. Because that’s more important than the physical.

I would take Shawn Porter’s character and morals as far adjusting himself morally. Porter is a tough as nails kid inside the ring but he listens to his father obsessively. No matter how bad a fight gets, Shawn is a yes sir no sir kid. No matter how tough the opponent Shawn tries his best to carry out the instructions he’s given. Even after his loss to Keith Thurman he was gracious. Porter has the kind of character under adversity that is rare in this day of ignorant, spoiled, disrespectful jean sagging young men.

There are lots of guys who have elite level mental processing. But out of the current fighters I would take Andre Ward’s. The reason I would take Ward’s over Lomachenko and Rigondeaux is because of two reasons. Ward has processed the threats of more dangerous opponents. Kessler, Froch and Kovalev. The second reason is because Ward is not as athletically gifted as Loma or Rigo. So he has less room for error. Ward’s mental processing ability is next level brother. He was caught by a nice right hand vs Kovalev. Kovalev never landed that shot again. He caught by a nsty uppercut by Darnell Boone back in the day. Boone never landed that shot again. Ward processing all things in a boxing ring at warp speed.

Competitive spirit in an era where ducking and waiting fighters out is the norm. I would take Lomachenko’s competitive spirit. Roman Gonzales’s is a close second. But I will give it to Loma. Lomachenko wanted a 12 round fight in his first fight. He got it in his second. After losing a close decision to Orlando Salido, in his very next fight he took on a more talented fighter and won! If Loma loses to Gary Russell he’s 1-2 and his career is probably over. When I think about that I get chills. Loma came in on the B side, his promotional company lost the purse bid. He didn’t feel sorry himself he just went out and rumbled.

Confidence will be my next area. I will give that to Tyson Fury. Fury’s confidence is so high I honestly think he has a mental problem. That’s how much confidence Fury has. The dude has brainwashed himself into being a really good fighter.

My first physical trait would be speed. If there is a fighter’s who’s speed I would want it’s Guillermo Rigondeaux. There are fighters who may be mathematically faster. But Rigo’s speed is the most harnessed speed in boxing. It’s the most unpredictable speed in boxing. It’s the most difficult speed to counter. Again guys like Amir Khan may be faster but Rigo’s speed is the speed you would want.

Jab. The most important punch in boxing. If I had to choose one current fighters jab it would be Jorge Linares. GGG and Sergey Kovalev’s jabs are harder and heavier p4p. But Linares has the best variations to his jab in boxing.

Rear Power hand. Most people would take Adonis Stevenson by a landslide. But in my opinion Mikey Garcia’s rear power hand is just as good. After watching the film I can’t choose between the two.

The best hook in boxing belongs to Wladimir Klitschko. Klitschko’s hook off of the jab is a freaking anvil. And he hides it well because his jab is so powerful.

Uppercut. Canelo has the best uppercut in boxing. He’s even handed with it. He hides with a jab, his shoulder and feints.

Body punching I would give it to Roman Gonzales. Roman works the body as well anyone in boxing. He never goes two volleys in a row without touching the body.

Chin. I would take Golovkin’s chin over anyone boxing at this current moment.

Defense. Lomachenko’s defense in my opinion is the best. He has the most layers to his defense out of anybody in boxing. He throws a ton of punches but he still rarely gets hit. He uses fundamentals which last longer than gifts. He uses his feet. He parries. He slips. He blocks. On top of that he has unbelievable natural reflexes.

Stamina and Endurance. I would say Terence Crawford. Crawford does not get tired. He’s the same fighter in the last round as he is in the 1st. He doesn’t lose form, he’s mentally sharp, he’s strong. Crawford’s gas tank is next level.

Accuracy. I think Mike Garcia hits people as clean as anyone in boxing. Garcia hits you on the money with a variation of shots.

Power. Power is overrated but it is important. It’s the number 1 equalizer and intimidator in boxing. The hardest puncher in boxing in my opinion is Deontay Wilder. Wilder is not what you call a great boxer. He’s not particularly crafty with his set up. But his right hand is the punch that no one can seem to take. It’s the most destructive weapon in the sport at this moment.

Hey Bread. Wlad is going to beat AJ. Porter should stop Berto late, what are the odds in that fight. Charlo looked vulnerable vs john Jackson, Hatley should win. Chavez upsets Canelo. Kovalev will get the decision this time to set up a trilogy. What are your thoughts?

Bread’s Response: Lots of people think Wlad will beat Joshua. I think if it goes late Wlad has a great chance. But something tells me Joshua stops Wlad within 3 rounds. But the odds makers have this fight very close. The oddsmakers in boxing are extremely accurate.

I’m not sure Porter will stop Berto. Porter usually wins his fights at the top level by grind out decisions. Berto is a pretty big underdog. Some places have him a 4 to 1 dog in this one. I think it will be explosive however it ends. I hope no headbutts....

Charlo is a huge favorite vs Hatley. Charlo was getting outboxed bad by John Jackson but he showed lots of determination. He also showed serious physical strength. He was able to eat through punches and get to his man. That’s not easy. Charlo had never fought that style before. I think he gets outboxed again early but pushes through and stops Hatley. Hatley was the better amateur and he does have some skills. But his inactivity and the loss to Lanardo Tyner scare me.

I like Canelo over Chavez.

You know lots of people are whispering Kovalev will get the decision this time. Man I hope the right person gets the decision. I want a fair decision. All of the trilogy talk is hard on my ears. I will say this, Kovalev is not doing himself any favors with some of his comments and jokes. Judges are human and everyone has a touchy subject that offends them. Someone needs to talk to Kovalev. I like Ward to edge another decision.

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User Comments and Feedback (Register For Free To Comment) Comment by Rip Chudd on 04-21-2017

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Comment by VatoMulatto on 04-21-2017

[QUOTE=JASON SHAW;17608565]it was said in a bunch of interviews on youtube on boxing channels.... [B]if i find the videos ill give you the link[/B][/QUOTE] Where's the videos?? You do know you won't find any links cause he NEVER said that.…

Comment by JASON SHAW on 04-21-2017

[QUOTE=Rip Chudd;17609556]You won't find them cause they never said he was a fraud. Why do fans lie like this?[/QUOTE] WHY DO RUSSIANS AND YOU RUSSIAN WANNABES LIE SO MUCH?:usa2:

Comment by Rip Chudd on 04-21-2017

[QUOTE=JASON SHAW;17608565]it was said in a bunch of interviews on youtube on boxing channels.... if i find the videos ill give you the link[/QUOTE] You won't find them cause they never said he was a fraud. Why do fans lie…

Comment by future hendrixx on 04-21-2017

bread, where tf is Timothy Bradley? is he retired? does he have a HOF caliber career? does anybody care who Cotto fights next? it's clear the diva wants a soft touch therefore should just retire. what's up with JMM comeback?…

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